 Poster: A snowHead
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Are you an emotional vacuum? Either that or you must be very dull . . .please refresh us all with your positive outlook and explain how this particular farce ends . . ?
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Reading that quote, @Belch, which you addressed to rob, what should we have inferred, especially as you had earlier written the very rude "Yawn" in response to a sober, accurate, politely expressed post setting out some relevant facts?
@abc then picked up the "emotional vacuum" comment and posted
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Quite the contrary.
Seems you don't know. He was a volunteer in that "magic bullet" development (trial). Any doubt about its magic is devastating his emotional well being. |
Looking back at that exchange now, it's clear that you were on an irrational rampage expressing your strong (and understandable) feelings of disappointment and anger. Rob was responding with analysis. Perhaps he should have recognised that meeting anger with analysis is rarely successful - it's a mistake I've often made myself, in real life as well as on Snowheads, and it rarely ends well.
Is it surprising that Rob felt aggrieved? You were responding like an angry child to his attempt to bring some relevant facts to bear. @abc was just stirring.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Whatever you want it would seem . . ! You claim to be a rational person but when questioned have failed to give an opinion on how this all resolves itself . . .all wrapped up in a condescending tone that infers your views are the only views worth listening to . . .or have I grossly misinterpreted that?
To be fair I'm sure you are a nice chap and had we been yakking over a beer in a mountain bar the outcome may have been somewhat different - however this whole debacle has been splitting opinion from the outset; even to those directly related to each other so on that basis I wouldn't get too upset . . .
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Get all that Pam . . .and appreciate your placatory post!
But who said I was 'angry' . . ? Disappointed yes, angry . . .not really! What's frustrating is peeps misquoting and reading between the lines, then wrapping up their response with a superiority complex . . .thats enough to make anyone angry. As for abc - 10/10 for comedy value . . .
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| DK1NV wrote: |
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At the risk of asking a question that's not doubt been muted many times before, if a vaccine isn't the way out of a pandemic, what is? |
Assuming that the virus can continue mutate faster than we can vaccinate - with a vax which seems little more than a injected therapeutic treatment preventing you getting very ill rather than a true immunity creating vax then the end solutions are
1. Create/invent a full global coronavirus 100% proper sterilizing vax (ie like the measles one that works 100%)
2. Accept that we have to "live with the virus"
Given as you say we cannot continue to live with lockdowns as whole sectors of the economy will start to fail - want your car repaired, sorry no parts available and no forseeable date - tough: this sort of thing.
Item 2 means that like just in ancient pasts when corona viruses first appeared to humans eons ago; the weak, the vulnerable, those with illnesses, those who abuse their bodies with drugs etc, the grossly overweight, those only kept alive though constant medical interventions, and sadly the genetically susceptible will all die off. The rest of us survivors will continue and the younger of us will have children who will have whatever mutation in their DNA their parents had to overcome the virus. They will then in future generations regard covid as just another winter's cold just like we now regard the other corona virus and rhinovirus as 'colds':
In short much like happens in the animal world - survival of the "fittest".
Much like Europeans have a higher resistance to AIDS. This is thought to be due to a mutation in our DNA makeup possibly as a result of our encounter with smallpox or the plague in the middle ages the survivors of which continued to have children and passed on the DNA mutation which umpteen generations later gave us the unexpected resistance to Aids. |
This is the most sensible and succinct summary I’ve read in months
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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So any travellers today trying to transit from Germany to Austria under the new rules?
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@Mike Pow,. . .I couldn't agree more.
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Our rates per 1m is smack between Denmark & Ireland.
Just us being put on the naughty step. It is brexit related
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@Doccam,
Travel bans from countries affected by coronavirus variants
A travel ban is in place for countries with widespread occurrence of SARS-CoV-2 virus variants of concern (referred to as areas of variant of concern). Transport companies, e.g. air carriers and railway companies, may not transport any persons from these countries to Germany. There are only a few, strictly defined exceptions to this travel ban, namely for:
German citizens and persons who are resident in Germany with a current right to reside in the country, as well as their spouses, partners living in the same household and minor children
Persons catching a connecting flight who do not leave the transit zone of a passenger airport and
Few other special cases.
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@Mankei, I read this that people can not travel to say Munich airport from ski resorts on trains, coaches or hire cars, unless German citizens.
How are people getting on at German fuel stations etc when driving through from Holland etc?.....any hassle from German people?
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@Markymark29, There is no outright travel ban from Austria though, so should be no issues for people getting their flights home.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Being thick - so under current ruling getting into Austria via Frankfurt is a no go or ok . . ?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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you are better off reading the 136 page thread in the Resorts forum - there are some Live trip reports especially from MUN to Austria
Go stright to page 136 though 
@Belch, yes you can do it (qualifying vaccines of course)
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| Scarlet wrote: |
| @Markymark29, There is no outright travel ban from Austria though, so should be no issues for people getting their flights home. |
Spot on!
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You know it makes sense.
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@rob@rar, or to simply ignore those whose only contribution is plain dull.
Your posts are way too meaningful to most of us.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@drporat, +1
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Mike Pow wrote: |
This is the most sensible and succinct summary I’ve read in months |
It is. But in bald translation, it means, "Sadly, it's time to put Granny outside the igloo." And then the questions start: Is it the right thing to do? Is it right but political suicide for the decision makers? What will it lead to? Logan's Run?
At present, when an upsurge comes, Granny and all the 'wrong place wrong time' people are triaged to death by default.
Where's the middle ground?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| The vaccine zealots had pushed the vaccine to the silver bullet status which it never was meant to be. They claim that's the way to "get back to normal". Now they have to eat their words! |
Strawman argument.
You sound very pleased that the world has taken a big step back with Omicron. Allows you to go trawling for a fight I suppose. |
Yep, exactly, + 1 and all that.
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@Gerry, pretty sure that isn’t helpful or especially polite
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Does one go trawling for a fight or trolling for a fight?
Do we need a white knight to show some herring-do?
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@JamesHJ, Leave the Herrings out of this thread -- they should be in the brexit/fishing thread !! 
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| albob wrote: |
| @JamesHJ, Leave the Herrings out of this thread -- they should be in the brexit/fishing thread !! |
A sole thread for each topic you mean?
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@JamesHJ,  :: careful, someone will be along to tell us to keep the Thread-Fish Tropical....
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| albob wrote: |
| @JamesHJ, :: careful, someone will be along to tell us to keep the Thread-Fish Tropical.... |
That’s the snow heads problem these days- somebody always starts carping from the sidelines.
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Oh for cod's sake let's get the thread back on track
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| MikeM wrote: |
| Oh for cod's sake let's get the thread back on track |
Agreed- it’s just the same ling after another in this plaice.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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This is getting to sound like the SNP
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Just wondering if anyone has "transited" through germany by car yet from the uk via Holland and encountered any issues? I've read absolutely everything available about the restrictions and I'm so confused. The German websites suggest transit is possible but on the German embassy site it says transit by car not allowed 
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You know it makes sense.
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@Blighty1066,
Just checked:
Transit to another EU member state or Schengen state
Citizens of countries outside of the EU may enter Germany to travel to another EU member state or another Schengen state as their country of final destination if the following conditions are met:
the traveller remains in Germany (as country of transit) only as long as absolutely necessary to travel directly to the country of destination or another transit country;
the traveller is permitted to enter the country of destination or another transit country (in accordance with Annex I or II of the Council Recommendation of 30 June 2020 or with individual confirmation of permission to enter issued by the country of destination).
Under these conditions, citizens of countries outside of the EU may also enter Germany by air and travel overland to their country of destination.
The traveller must provide evidence that the conditions listed above have been met. Airline or other travel tickets, etc. may be presented to meet condition (1). A printout of the current national regulations in place in the country of destination implementing Annex I of the Council Recommendation may be presented to meet condition
(2). It must be clear from the text that residents of certain countries are not required to provide proof of the reason for travel to the country of destination. If this is not possible, then evidence must be provided of the urgent need for entry in accordance with Annex II of the Council Recommendation. Germany’s border control officials will only check for compliance with the requirements for entering Germany. Alternatively, the traveller may present a document issued by the responsible authorities of the country of destination certifying that entry restrictions have been waived or that approval of entry has been granted.
https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/faqs/EN/topics/civil-protection/coronavirus/coronavirus-faqs.html
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Blighty1066, my understanding is that the German embassy site is correct. As the UK is classified as a "area of variant of concern" the transit rules quoted above are not relevant.
The German Foreign office says https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/visa-service/EinreiseUndAufenthalt
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A travel ban is in place for countries with widespread occurrence of SARS-CoV-2 virus variants of concern (referred to as areas of variant of concern). Transport companies, e.g. air carriers and railway companies, may not transport any persons from these countries to Germany. There are only a few, strictly defined exceptions to this travel ban, namely for:
German citizens and persons who are resident in Germany with a current right to reside in the country, as well as their spouses, partners living in the same household and minor children
Persons catching a connecting flight who do not leave the transit zone of a passenger airport and a few other special cases.
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I know a number of people have pointed out the transit rules and a good few have travelled from Austria to Munich airport for a return flight. However I think it is clear that entry to Germany for non citizens/residents is generally prohibited for anyone who has been in the UK recently, whatever method of transport you use . The only transit allowed is via a connecting flight when you dont actually leave the airport. In practical terms you are unlikely to be stopped when entering the country but long trips are really not a good idea. This is no different to the situation in France.
I think there is a reasonable chance that the UK will be downgraded back to "high risk" in the not too distant future but until then Germany is a no go area for most people living in the UK
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Poster: A snowHead
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@colinstone, the text you've quoted is all from section "IV. Restrictions applying to air and sea travel outside of Europe (entering Germany from countries that do not belong to the European Union)" heading, which has the following note below it:
"IMPORTANT: Additional restrictions apply to travel from areas of virus variants of concern"
If you look in "II. Restrictions on entry from areas of virus variants of concern," transit isn't permitted if you've been in an "area of variant of concern" in the preceding 10 days.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@sugarmoma666, those restrictions only apply on "entry from areas of virus variants of concern", hence this does not include entry from Holland. The key exemption is "in the case of border traffic: persons who have spent less than 24 hours in a high-risk area oder area of variant of concern or are only entering Germany for a period of up to 24 hours.", so you can transit Germany, aslong as you do not enter from the UK and you are there <24 hours.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| basedBean wrote: |
| @sugarmoma666, those restrictions only apply on "entry from areas of virus variants of concern", hence this does not include entry from Holland. The key exemption is "in the case of border traffic: persons who have spent less than 24 hours in a high-risk area oder area of variant of concern or are only entering Germany for a period of up to 24 hours.", so you can transit Germany, aslong as you do not enter from the UK and you are there <24 hours. |
Interesting. Where did you find these additional words? (A lot of this also comes down to the definition of "entry" i.e. is that really intended to only consider the country you last set foot in before Germany?)
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| Blighty1066 wrote: |
| Just wondering if anyone has "transited" through germany by car yet from the uk via Holland and encountered any issues? I've read absolutely everything available about the restrictions and I'm so confused. The German websites suggest transit is possible but on the German embassy site it says transit by car not allowed |
I know some Brits did do this successfully last week but my understanding is that transit by car isn't actually allowed under the current regulations.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@basedBean, I (and the German Embassy in the UK) think you are wrong. The rules seem to be pretty clear.
From the same Interior Ministry website
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What restrictions apply to entry and travel from areas of virus variants of concern?
Persons who want to travel to Germany from an area of variant of concern on their own (i.e. without a transport company) are subject to entry restrictions, which are enforced through border checks. In general, people travelling from areas of variants of concern are not allowed to enter Germany.
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What restrictions apply to air, sea and overland travel within Europe (entering Germany from another member state of the European Union or from Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Norway or Iceland)?
No pandemic-related travel restrictions currently apply to travellers entering Germany from member states of the European Union or from Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Norway or Iceland. However, under the ordinance governing entry during the coronavirus pandemic (Coronavirus-Einreiseverordnung), travellers are required to complete digital registration on entry, to present proof of a negative COVID-19 test result, proof of vaccination or proof of recovery from COVID-19; and to comply with the the quarantine regulations depending on the risk status of the country of departure. |
- my highlighting.
I can see there is an arguable case for travelling from Austria to Munich airport for travel back to the UK, though you might not comply with being outside of the UK for the requisite time period. However I cant see any case for entering from Holland after getting a ferry from the UK to go on a skiing holiday. The chances are no one will check but if they do you will almost certainly end up in a lot of grief.
Given that there are few border checks it is possible to circumvent the restrictions (like the fly into Turin and walk across the border at Montgenevre method) but there is a risk that you will get caught and doubt that is worth it for a holiday.
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 A lot to take in here. I think I am still OK to fly from LHR to Frankfurt as I am connecting there with flight to Calgary in a fortnight? As long as I don't try to leave the airport (I won't!)?
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I have sent an email to the ministry people asking the question so will update if I get a response. We are looking at travelling on the 6th Jan so have a few days to wait/ re schedule if needs be. Its getting close to us just calling it as the stress of trying to organise everything is a nightmare.
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@munich_irish, I don't belive those rules disagree with what I said.
The Ministry of Health states:
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| Persons who spent less than 24 hours in a high-risk area or area of variants of concern or are entering the Federal Republic of Germany for less than 24 hours under the border traffic regime, are exempt from the obligation to register. |
Therefore the "quarantine regulations depending on the risk status of the country of departure" you mentioned are not relevant as you are not staying in Germany >24 hours and do not have to register.
The debate lies in the reading of the regulations with the "Restrictions on entry from areas of virus variants of concern". My read is that this is only if entering direct from an "area of virus variants of concern", this does not apply if you are entering from the schengen, as you would only count as "at any time in the ten days prior to your entry, you spent time in an area classified as a high-risk area or an area of variants of concern at the time of your entry", and be subject to the aforementioned "24 hour" exemption.
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@basedBean, I think the important bit in your quote is "border traffic regime" ; that implies to me the exemption only applies to local traffic crossing the border, not international travellers..
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In fact it would be difficult for the average man in the street to read it in any other way at that time.
