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Not that I expect him to take a blind bit of notice, I'll join the list of those who think DG is now abusing sH in this thread.
I would be happier to see less of the sock puppetry, no more cutting and pasting from SCGB forum threads, and ideally an end to the oft repeated questions which are not going to get any answers here. Perchance to dream...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| limegreen1 wrote: |
| Why are you pasting threads from the SCGB forum on here and asking the posters to comment on here? WTF ! |
| Pedantica wrote: |
| WTF indeed. |
The short - and I hope polite - response is that this is a fully free medium of public discussion.
If anyone finds 'the deconstruction of the SCGB' an uncomfortable or tasteless prospect, they may avert their gaze. There is no obligation to be a rubber-necker.
The male-heavy nature of the SCGB (12% of its board comprises one woman) suggests that this is a particularly significant aspect of its current situation, compared to 25-30 years ago. Is Gerry also concerned about that, or merely the errant behaviour of one male member ... concerning its ski holidays?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Dubaian wrote: |
Not that I expect him to take a blind bit of notice, I'll join the list of those who think DG is now abusing sH in this thread.
I would be happier to see less of the sock puppetry, no more cutting and pasting from SCGB forum threads, and ideally an end to the oft repeated questions which are not going to get any answers here. Perchance to dream... |
Dubaian, you may be aware that this thread gets 1000+ hits on a good day, and (as above) those who prefer not to read it don't have to read it.
I genuinely apologise for the 'sock puppetry' on this occasion. My regular computer was corrupted by crooks, and I've no current access to the passwords for my real names David Goldsmith and Comedy Goldsmith.
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| JUST A QUICK NOTE ... to let you all know that I'm withdrawing from social media except email etc. for some months. Thanks very much indeed for your interest in SKI.HUB. It's yours to develop as you wish, and I may well return after the winter with some interesting news. In the meantime ... happy skiing and have a great winter! David |
Posted on 24th Nov 2014.
Don't know how he defines 'some months' - does 11th January 2015 count? Is that after winter - not in the northern hemisphere?. Yup the date of his next post.
Information extracted from his own FB site - which now has 193 members
https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/SKI.HUB/?fref=ts
CBA to see if there was a gap in continuity of posting on here?
Why don't you fight your battles from your own facility, David?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Karl Marx, you can request new passwords for any username and you can log on from any computer. As an early adopter of the interweb I'm sure you know that.
BTW I'm genuinely sorry you got hacked. Not nice.
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It's a fair cop, Guv
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@Dubaian, DG seems to think that the number of views or engagements with this thread adds strength to his arguments. He refuses to listen to the very many people who disagree with what he's doing.
I think we should maybe all make a pact to not look at or post on this thread anymore. I know he will just keep bumping the thread himself but if that bumping runs to pages and pages maybe he will eventually realise what a fool he is making of himself?
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Only 19000 views now needed to hit a quarter of a million...
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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I see SCGB snow overview still dated Thursday 12th February.
Do the club really believe that their snow reports will win new recruits?
I suspect managed decline is quietly accepted and a small number take the view that the club will be viable long enough to see them out.
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@Karl Marx, please don't insult us by appropriating the whole feminist equality business for your own petty purposes. If female club members are bothered about the balance of sexes in the ski club, then they're better qualified to deal with it than you are.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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The short - and I hope polite - response is that this is a fully free medium of public discussion.
When in your favourite Ye Old Cheshire Cheese ... Do you uninvitedly listen to other people's conversations then loudly pronounce to the rest of the establishment what has been said and pompously dissect and analyse the conversation suggesting corrections to each of the conversationalists ways and claim the moral high ground when challenged regard odious behaviour and tactics ?
I would suspect ..no ...
Just because you can doesn't make it right ... I think you'd also get a slap ...
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Pedantica, I was just thinking why I am drawn to this thread, and your post a page or two back sums it up for me : slow motion car crash.
I so want the protagonist to wake up and see how spectacularly he is failing, but I fear previous evidence and current behavior has shown he is unlikely to.
David, I am sure you are a nice person, and I respect your right to free speech, but only expect me to listen if you speak with wisdom. Unfortunately, wisdom needs experience and even then, it is rare to emerge. It seems you have the experience, but the wisdom is not apparent here.
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Let's face it, we're all fascinated by drunks and weirdos.
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You know it makes sense.
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@Dubaian, The flounceo from here "for several months" in November lasted less than one month. All the proper attention seeking flouncers can never stay away for as long as they promise 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Where is Megamum?
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Poster: A snowHead
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lurking
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Shimmy Alcott wrote: |
| @Dubaian, DG seems to think that the number of views or engagements with this thread adds strength to his arguments. |
Not necessarily. It's purely an indicator of the runaway success of this thread: 230,000+ hits, 4000+ posts, 105+ pages. Hundreds reading it per bump/bounce.
| Shimmy Alcott wrote: |
| He refuses to listen to the very many people who disagree with what he's doing. |
There are many many people, both within and outwith the SCGB, who want that organisation to be liberated from its situation. Those are the people I generally have in mind when posting. The Establishment, who you seem to represent in making that odd remark, is well capable of looking after itself (as we've seen over the past 50 years of the SCGB).
| Shimmy Alcott wrote: |
| I think we should maybe all make a pact to not look at or post on this thread anymore. |
So why did you post?
| George Jones wrote: |
| I suspect managed decline is quietly accepted and a small number take the view that the club will be viable long enough to see them out. |
Interesting point, George, but how can one legitimately or responsibly 'manage the decline' of an organisation? People are employed by the SCGB, and there are assets involved (which are owned by the membership). You'll need to expand on this!
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| @Karl Marx, please don't insult us by appropriating the whole feminist equality business for your own petty purposes. If female club members are bothered about the balance of sexes in the ski club, then they're better qualified to deal with it than you are. |
That's a gross exaggeration and distortion of what was written, so it gets the response it deserves. I'm taking issue with male members and directors (Council members) of the Ski Club of Great Britain who think it should be run like some sort of 19th century gentleman's club. The SCGB may have excluded women initially (this needs checking) - perhaps the all-male founders in 1903 believed that women did not go skiing - but in the 21st century they should be equally represented in the decision-making function of any progressive organisation (I'd have thought).
Love and best wishes
David Goldsmith
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I wonder what the gender percentage is on this forum? Or membership of ski clubs?
I only ask as I noted the recent Arabba birthday bash had a far greater percentage of males.
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There are many many people, both within and outwith the SCGB, who want that organisation to be liberated from its situation. Those are the people I generally have in mind when posting. The Establishment, who you seem to represent in making that odd remark, is well capable of looking after itself (as we've seen over the past 50 years of the SCGB).
Those people "outwith" the club who want liberation have no say as they are outside the club and not members .. So that point is beyond ridiculous. Those within the club have a voice and can use it without your help. Why do you think they need your voice ??
The establishment is well capable of looking after itself ...for over 50 years ..
It expelled you and continues on ..... Looking after itself ... A club with members ....
So what as an outsider ... what really is point ???
That's a gross exaggeration and distortion of what was written, so it gets the response it deserves. I'm taking issue with male members and directors (Council members) of the Ski Club of Great Britain who think it should be run like some sort of 19th century gentleman's club. The SCGB may have excluded women initially (this needs checking) - perhaps the all-male founders in 1903 believed that women did not go skiing - but in the 21st century they should be equally represented in the decision-making function of any progressive organisation (I'd have thought).
Exactly ... "You'd " have thought. If the members of the club will want it differently then they "the members " can sort it out. They obviously do not have a problem ... It has been said before its not about having equality its about having the best people for the job ...
Totally ridiculous on all points ....
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@limegreen1, agreed. Unfortunately DG has shown himself to be incredibly arrogant and he doesn't give a toss about anybody who doesn't agree with his blinkered views (must be pretty lonely!). I'm afraid he comes across as a nasty piece of work and it's pretty obvious why the SCGB wan't nothing to do with him!
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| philipb wrote: |
| @limegreen1, agreed. Unfortunately DG has shown himself to be incredibly arrogant and he doesn't give a toss about anybody who doesn't agree with his blinkered views (must be pretty lonely!). I'm afraid he comes across as a nasty piece of work and it's pretty obvious why the SCGB wan't nothing to do with him! |
You must be joking. The SCGB invited me back with a half-price subscription only last month, and then welcomed me back to membership with a charming email.
What you've said is wholly incorrect. I've worked for six consecutive editors of the SCGB magazine (Elisabeth Hussey to Arnie Wilson) for a 30-year period since 1976.
Rather than assuming I'm a "nasty piece of work" (what an unpleasant phrase. Would you appreciate that description of yourself?) why not actually meet the person in question, or ask someone who knows me? I get on fine with just about anyone, and work with a huge team of people.
David
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The SCGB invited me back with a half-price subscription only last month, and then welcomed me back to membership with a charming email.
I just want to check that you have only posted this part to see who bites .... 
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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| philipb wrote: |
| @limegreen1 Unfortunately DG has shown himself to be incredibly arrogant and he doesn't give a toss about anybody who doesn't agree with his blinkered views (must be pretty lonely!). I'm afraid he comes across as a nasty piece of work and it's pretty obvious why the SCGB wan't nothing to do with him! |
Maybe DG is ski journalism's Peter Oborne?
And this thread is skiing's equivalent to Private Eye "Street of Shame" ?
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| George Jones wrote: |
| I suspect managed decline is quietly accepted and a small number take the view that the club will be viable long enough to see them out. |
Interesting point, George, but how can one legitimately or responsibly 'manage the decline' of an organisation? People are employed by the SCGB, and there are assets involved (which are owned by the membership). You'll need to expand on this!
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OK you can remove the word "managed".
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Is the SCGB really a 'club'?
All of this is based on it being a 'club' with a 'club' ethos.
I am a member of a rugby club (would you believe it... based in Bad Reichenhall, Germany.... UK tour coming up... look out for dates  ) I know everyone in this club and we get together to socialise and play.
This is a bit similar to any local sports club (albeit golf clubs have a much wider scope; and this is where the 'clubbyness' starts to degrade).
Is it not a paid-for service that allows 'members' to get 'club' beneifts.
IMO that is what the club is and represents. If you want an actual 'sports club' type of feel then you are out of luck unless you are in the special seats at a meeting.
DG - go for it... make the Great British Ski Club and find new club members!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Karl Marx,
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You must be joking. The SCGB invited me back with a half-price subscription only last month, and then welcomed me back to membership with a charming email.
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If you wrote that in all seriousness then you must be living in some strange parallel universe to the rest of us.
@flangesax, Agreed, the SCGB isn't a club in the way most of us would think of one. I'm a member of a cycling club and know most of the members. I'm also a member of British Cycling, which is the governing body for the sport as recognized byt the UCI.. I would liken the SCGB more to British Cycling - it provides a service for some but isn't really a 'club' . It works for some of us and not for others, fair enough. There's no obligation to join. Why DG seems to be dedicating his time to disbanding it I have no idea. As you suggest he would be better doing something positive if he feels so passionate and organising his own club - although Snowheads seems to be doing a pretty good job from where I'm sat.
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Sport England or Snowsport Scotland (or whatever they all call themselves now), plus maybe BASI, would be the equivalent of British Cycling.
SCGB is (now) a holiday company, with a member's club with some in resort services and some discounts.
IMO
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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SCGB is (now) a holiday company, with a member's club with some in resort services and some discounts.
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Exactly. But Mr Goldhamster wants it to go back to being an old stylee club with plus fours and bobble hats, and people smoking pipes. Why he thinks he can achieve that by posting balderdash on here is a bit of a mystery.
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@andy, I think that's fair comment. You have to be a member of BC to have a UCI racing licence , would Snowsport England be the equivalent?
For myself and family the SCGB fulfills a few functions which make it worthwhile for us - insurance (annual for the whole family, v good value), good range of discounts (we recoup the membership each year), resort Leaders who we have used several times (not used Ambassadors yet so can't comment), Members catch up (this is new and we've allready arranged to meet up with another family on an upcoming trip), the occassional get - together (went to an enjoyable evening at Hemel last autumn, free entry and use of demo skis plus a few tips from Mark Jones), the magazine (always find it a reasonably enjoyable read) and Frehtracks holidays.
I think that's a reasonable list of benefits and makes it worthwhile for us. I agree its not really a 'club' and perhaps many years ago it was in the old rather exclusive meaning of the word. In those days I very much doubt it would have been my kind of thing. From all the dealings I've had with SCGB it seems to me they understand this and have moved on with the times, unlike some!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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It has retained some old style traditions, blackballing trouble makers being one!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I think @flangesax and @andy make fair points. But isn't it down to the nature of snow sports in the UK? It's rather seasonal and most skiers ski for a few weeks a year, as opposed to other sports which are played more regularly. So what do you do for the rest of the year?
My other sports clubs were mostly about playing the sport. The squash club was 99% sports and not a great deal of socialising - we turned up, put our name on the ladder for a partner and played. Not alot of admin as it was based in a leisure centre. Soon after having my ar$e handed to me by a new lady member, I joined a tennis club which was slightly more social. Again, not alot of non-sport related socialising and admin was very well handled. I've noticed a recent change in some golf clubs (stuffy ones are still hanging on to plus fours, bobble hats and smoking crack pipes, but IMO dying) to being more open and flexible; adjusting to societal pressures. And even then, there's alot more to be done IMHO.
I'm not sure sHs is a club in the traditional sense for most members.
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BTW - I'm not denigrating sHs at all. I realise members do social stuff and the admins put on lots of local events throughout the year. And of course the forum brings alot of social interaction. I suppose a club is what you make of it.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@philipb, I wasn't going to indulge DG by posting in this thread again but your post has compelled me to answer. To begin with I wasn't that bothered about DG and his posts but when I clicked through on his SCGB links to the forum I found posts from people who really enjoyed what they got from the SC. Who was DG to ruin this for people because of his own petty vendetta?
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@Shimmy Alcott, I tried to stay away but some of the stuff DG posts needs countering.
Of course the SCGB isn't for everyone or even to everybody's taste. But IMO it is valued by a good number of British skiers and I don't see anything comparable around.
Snowheads is fantastic and a far better forum than that provided by the Ski Club, which is used very little. It has to be said that the opening post on this thread (a long time ago) posted by a Ski Club employee, by all accounts, is pretty cringeworthy and a massive own goal . Doesn't make everything they do wrong though.
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Personally, I don't get the 'value' bit... but then I don't live in the UK although I am a British skier.
I know that every now and then I get a cringe-worthy phone call (similar to the OP) that seems to have 'selected' me to be worthy of advertising with them for an extortionate rate (haven't seen those figures in DG's breakdowns as yet).
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SCGB is (now) a holiday company, with a member's club with some in resort services and some discounts.
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I used to go on their Freshtracks holidays. On one occasion, shortly after my father had been taken ill, I asked if I could postpone my holiday and be moved to the following months trip to Flaine. They refused; they were happy to pocket my money and suggested that I claim on my travel insurance. I mistakenly assumed it was a club, and that they would try to help their members in a time of need. Their female CEO was very unfriendly.
I suppose I quite enjoy DG's rants - maybe he's giving their management some well deserved headaches!
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| Claude B wrote: |
| It has retained some old style traditions, blackballing trouble makers being one! |
Harrumph!!!
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