 Poster: A snowHead
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Although this is interesting too - seems to be more like a University type course, and covers all mountian stuff like a UIAGM or whatever it is: http://www.bergfuehrer.at/english/index.htm
I think I was wrong, it seems nothing to do with being a Staatliche, just a rigorous assesment to start the training... and it does also include rock and ice climbing.
bug, some day I plan on doing the bergfuhrer course, looks like I'm gonna have to get over my fear of heights for the climbing schizzle  All I want to do is ski lol
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Swirly, Doing a bit of research, and there doesn't look to be much difference between Ski and Bergfuhrer stuff now, or at least that I can find with my german skills lol. There are different types of bergfuhrer though - as far as I can understand it, there are different bergfuhrers for skiing (which seems to be the highest level), 'wandering' (I guess just general hiking?) and canyoning...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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The entry requirements there are pretty similar to the BMG ones when you compare the different grading systems e.g. UIAA grade VI is pretty much UK Trad E1 5b. Mind 90 degree ice would be WI 5 which is Scottish VI (BMG requires V) although they aren't really comparable as you don't get such solid ice in Scotland. Either way that's some pretty solid climbing skills required.
Here's an example of what to expect at that rock grade http://www.ukclimbing.com/images/dbpage.html?id=102542
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| snowball wrote: |
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In my experience as a ski instructor in the US, Canada and Japan, it is permissable to instruct and/or lead students/clients on all types of non-glaciated terain within the resort area boundary. |
But within the boundary is avalanche patrolled so the main reason for having a guide (that he takes the responsibility for assessing avalanche danger) disappears. |
Fully aware of that. Was presenting info pertinent to the original poster's question:
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Just a question out of interest really as to how one would go about becoming a qualified ski guide who could take people off piste. Does it vary between countries?
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However, even in a 'controlled' environment the instructor should be able to assess the avalanche danger of terrain about to be skied, and how to initiate rescue if that terrain should avalanche. More than enough examples of in-bounds avalanches the past 5 winters.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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clarky999, Austrian/German bergfuhrer qualification is a UIAGM accredited qualification. E.g. they are guides
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You'll need to Register first of course.
You'll need to Register first of course.
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Just got this back form the Oesterreicher Bergfuehrerverband (or something like that):
[quote]Usualy you have to become a mountain guide for guiding skiing offpiste. In Austria you can become a staatlicher Ski-instructor with “Skiführer”. Then you are allowed to ski and guide with skis offpiste.
The part of “Skiführer” is the same with the mountain guides. You have to rock- and ice-climb in a low level also with skiführer, because on the summits in winter you have also ice and the problem of rockclimbing.
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Which looks to me like Skifuhrer is slightly lower/easier than Bergfuhrer? Confustication...
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I've skied with a skifuehrer and UIAGMs. In future I'll just ski with UIAGM guides. 
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