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CEM, thanks so much for those details, will certainly use these clare mcbride, My husband has had 3 arthroscopies, 2 on the same knee, and 1 on the other, all for meniscus tears; tidying up the tear edges, flushing out debris and smoothing off roughened arthritic surfaces. And I had an arthroscopy for a meniscus tear 2 months before my husband's last one, and I have grade 3 - 4 arthritis in 2 places, so we really are on borrowed time as skiers, and know all about painful knees!!! We have been told that partial knee replacements are the next step to get rid of the constant pain and stiffness, but the thought of dying from MRSA means this will be a very, very last resort. Before our last hols we did as everyone on here, and our consultant (who is a skier) has suggested, and spent months at the gym to make sure our leg muscles were as fit as they could be to support the knee structure. We both came back with very sore, stiff knees, but managed 4 days skiing (then we used Snowbikes  ). We did wear knee supports (the neoprene ones with metal stays-but no hinges) and my husband feels they really do help. We chose a wrap around design that allowed you to adjust the tension a little better than the pull on sleeve type, and it has extra elastic straps that criss crossed around the joint, but no buttress around the knee cap, as this can cause problems if your knee cap doesn't need it.
The only thing that really gets rid of the pain for us now is having a steroid injection into the knee joint about a week before we go skiing, drastic we know, and long term can cause joint deterioration, but as we see it, the joint is shot anyway, so might as well hold out pain-free as long as possible, as new knees have a life span of only 10-15 years, and not going Snowbiking isn't an option! 
Take care of your knees, like backs, you don't realise how much you depend on them until they go wrong! 
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Mon 18-08-08 22:54; edited 1 time in total
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rayscoops said,
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also ....... do not get pissed and slip on the way home after the apres
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how true. Several friends of mine have hurt their knees that way - or broken wrists or ankles! My most scary moment in an average day's skiing is walking down the snowy/icy steps and across the road in front of the restaurant; once on the piste I feel a lot more relaxed.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| ...do 15 every day for a week, |
Disagree... the most important part of exercise is recovery. I would suggest once every 3 days for 3 months.
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sharon1953, gosh, that really does put yer average twinge into perspective. Respect.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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red 27, it is a progressive exercise increasing in intensity over a period of 3 weeks, it also relys to an extent on muscle memory which at approx 2.5 hours has to be trained in. the physios i work with would have their pro sports men doing 3 sets every day, for the recreational user i use 1 set, there is no weight involved only that of the body so there should be no problem
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sharon1953, l don't know what to say, comparing myself to you two, l have nothing to worry about. l admire your love for the sport, the work and effort you've made to keep enjoying it and doing it. The more l learn about this game, the more l realise so much l don't know, especially, knees. Mine sore at the mo, thing is l've gone down the orthotic road, maybe treadmill analysis the next thing ? Sure l've tried a 100 diff. ways of walking. Feel l regularly move in ways which upset it, and removing the habitual movement, once l know what it is, is surely the first step ? 
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clare mcbride, understanding which muscle are weak and which are tight will help you see where the problems are coming from, video analysis if done properly will give you that information, along with exercises to resolve the issues [assuming they can be dealt with by muscle training]
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clare mcbride, Yes, things like foot beds will certainly help correct any misalignment, but you have to use them religiously in all your footwear, and that’s the problem, especially for women. Unless you are prepared to wear identical foot wear, day in day out, you would need to have any number of beds made to fit each type of shoe, as for instance trainers already have built up arches, and this totally changes the way the beds fit. And flip flops are out, so half the time you end up thinking...well I’ll just go without them today.... The odd thing is, NHS hospitals seem to work in reverse, they operate first, then suggest physio, and then foot beds when all else doesn’t work; to me that seems back to front. But you can’t repair damaged cartilage, only tidy it up (well you can have some meniscus tears repaired, depends on where they are and how large). It’s a constant battle with wear and tear (tear being appropriate in this case) fighting the ageing process, and the fact that we were never designed to walk upright! My father-in-law is 85, never done a days exercise in his life, led a very sedentary life, and is complaining that he has just started with muscle aches in his legs... there really is no justice! 
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CEM, lf l came to Bicester, is video analysis part of what you do ?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Lisamer, excellent summary and well written article, please post anything else you write up 
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Lisamer, Great info. saved it in faves, cheers
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You know it makes sense.
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Lisamer, is the swiss-ball hamstring curl a static exercise or does one move the feet back and forward?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Lisamer, fascinating, thank you.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Lisamer, Thanks for that, I never thought of looking on YouTube for ski fitness stuff, was amazed what was on there!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Lisamer,
From the link you posted .....
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| Being Female: The “Q Angle,” which refers to the angle between the hip and the knee is steeper in women, making the knee cap more prone to sliding. |
but "Q Angle" ? I'm still looking for the G-Spot. 
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DB, LMAO, that's just made my day, after all the doom and gloom on break fast news, thank you!!!
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red 27, back and forward i believe. also try it with one foot on top of the other it becomes much harder...
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Girls, looks like we should all be on the pill. 
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pam w, must say that DB's and skimottaret's posts taken together, did look a bit alarming. 
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| red 27, back and forward i believe. also try it with one foot on top of the other it becomes much harder... |
Yes but what about the balance ball exercise?
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skimottaret, lordy, tried it today, one foot on top of t-other resulted in swiss ball pinging off humiliatingly accross the gym floor.
I hate hamstring exercises, they always feel like they're 'shortening' the muscle - the opposite of increasing flexibility if you know what I mean.
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FAQ
that I'm been wanting to ask for a while. I've read (several times) the pages on your hidden link and I always read this "Flexibility is one of the five main motoric forms of exertion and stretching the key" and wonder what the other four are. Presumably one is "strengthening" but then... 
