 Poster: A snowHead
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I used to do jeet kune do and had to develop a better technique than the men I was fighting because they could achieve more through brute force.
Same probably goes for skiing (if skiing and fighting at the same time). 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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PS I'm female...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Boys: we're not interested in watching you compete with us/each other/anything else that moves. Cut the cr@p and show us your willy.
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Lizzard, if you visit the Troffana bar in Ischgl during happy hour, there will be plenty of jolly germans that will gladly oblige 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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GrahamN, Mr L was back today but is in the doghouse having left the Cheddar at his mate's place following a drunken binge the previous evening.
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| Lizzard wrote: |
| GrahamN, Mr L was back today but is in the doghouse having left the Cheddar at his mate's place following a drunken binge the previous evening. |
Is "left the Cheddar" this some sort of euphemism I haven't heard before? 
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fatbob, er ............................. no. What were you envisaging?
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Lizzard,
Not casting any aspersions but on the running theme of language evolution I could just about envisage the following conversation say between 2 blokes in a pub:
Bloke 1: So you got off with the barmaid last night?
Bloke 2: Yeah I really left the cheddar round her place!
In fact I might submit it to Roger's Profanisauraus now.
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fatbob, you are an extremely strange man.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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fatbob, I grew up with a brother 2.7 yrs younger than me, have had two kids, am well read , and have spent time on landfill sites, trawlers and amongst oil rig employees, but 'left the chedder' is a new one on me as well. I may regret asking this, but is an explanation in order here?
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Well, I think he simply left behind the supply of tasty cheese from Somerset that had been intended for family enjoyment 
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You know it makes sense.
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holidayloverxx, Well.....I must admit I started off wondering as much. However, if that's the case it just seemed rather an odd observation to post even it was true
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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holidayloverxx, well done! I'm not entirely sure how much clearer I could have been.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Snowy, I'm a bloke and a puny 165cms, 62kgs. Does that mean I need to compensate for a lack of brute force by developing better technique to keep up with my mates?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Snowy wrote: |
I used to do jeet kune do and had to develop a better technique than the men I was fighting because they could achieve more through brute force.
Same probably goes for skiing (if skiing and fighting at the same time). |
who needs brute force when ya have silky smooth skills
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who needs brute force when ya have silky smooth skills
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So be warned, Mr Brute Force.. 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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BAH!
Power IS technique
If I'm only skiing 30-40 days a year I can either come in STRONG and enjoy myself or spend 2/3 of the season faffing about with instructors learning remedial skills.
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| Blade wrote: |
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I disagree strongly, if you have good technique then the more tired you become you depend even more on technique. Strength is essential to hold the technique but lose concentration on the technique and all the strength in the world won't help you.
I think a well trained skier is better than a strong athlete it doesn't matter about the sex.
But when technique is good in both parties then I believe a man will ski a course faster than a woman and being able to ski a tricky course fastest is generally synonymous with great technique.
Also skiing olympic downhill super quick also involves a level of conquering your fear and controlling your body to allow it to behave well under extreme pressure and in control when a large part of your natural response is to stop putting your body in danger!
If you want a straight 1 or 0 answer then men are better skiers because by using our current set of standard skiing contests i.e nordic skiing, downhill, slalom, super g, biatholon, ski jump male skiers of similar standard to femal counterparts would post faster times, i.e. win.
Last edited by You'll need to Register first of course. on Fri 8-06-07 20:36; edited 1 time in total
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| Snowy wrote: |
I used to do jeet kune do and had to develop a better technique than the men I was fighting because they could achieve more through brute force.
Same probably goes for skiing (if skiing and fighting at the same time). |
Then you had a lame teacher as a good master wouldn't allow a student to develop brute force above technique as this is intrinsically against the fundamentals of martial arts.
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Then you had a lame teacher as a good master wouldn't allow a student to develop brute force above technique as this is intrinsically against the fundamentals of martial arts. |
so, let's talk about 'skilled force'. first question: is 'skilled force' necessarily counterintuitive?
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I think BGA had it right to begin with.
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Of course they are
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comprex,
for skiing or for martial arts?
I think initially for skiing the first issue to overcome is your body wanting you to stop and not ski down a big mountain. I have heard alot of people saying that a skiier needs to push the limits to develop better technique and I certainly find that my skiing doesnt develop if I stop when the going gets scary rather than try and concentrate and ski through it using a combination of strength, obstinance and technique.
also by definition skilled force is a combination of skill and force! if we are still on the sex issue then both parties can develop these two factors but personally I see little difference related to skill between the sexes and although the female frame is lighter and so needs less force to control it I do feel more force can be created and applied by a male.
Also if the male develops a good technique then becuase he is heavier through clever weight transfer it possibly requires less brute force to ski well down a mountain.
All I meant for the martial arts is that a good teacher never encourages brute force over skill, my master was fundamentally against this as I think(not qualified to be sure) that good martial arts is about energy transfer, sure you need the force to create this energy but then you need the technique to allow it to rise up and leave your body and into what/who you strike.
Actually I kinda find these posts a little annoying as the male vs female 'thing' is the clearly provocative. It is quite clear that both parties can ski well or perform well at most sports but competing one against the other in terms of who is better is futile.
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If I'm only skiing 30-40 days a year I can either come in STRONG and enjoy myself or spend 2/3 of the season faffing about with instructors learning remedial skills.
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Fair enough, mate - but you tell that to your overworked knees
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Somewhat off topic I know, but strength confers a great advantage in a scrap, as well as in skiing. It can certainly compensate for technique, sometimes quite a lot and sometimes only a little, but it's certainly no disadvantage at any given skill level.
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Somewhat off topic I know, but strength confers a great advantage in a scrap, as well as in skiing. It can certainly compensate for technique, sometimes quite a lot and sometimes only a little, but it's certainly no disadvantage at any given skill level.
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slikedges, it most certainly is... I hope you're not a ski instructor
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You know it makes sense.
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Blade, think you missed my point - it isn't - hope you're not either a ski or martial arts instructor
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I can't believe this thread has lasted so long.
Men are faster, stronger and skilfuler.
Job done.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Blade, As usual Mr Gold is just trolling.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Depends on the definition of "better". Men in general are stronger but the strength should only be measured in a ratio to the weight of the skier. Most of the women I know are better skiers than blokes of the same experience.
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Most women I know are worse skiers than their blokes because they have less experience or if they have the same experience they're worse skiers because they haven't tried to improve. If they did, and weren't chicken, I'm sure their technical skills would be better, 'cos in this kind of situation I'd imagine they'd be better students. I don't buy the relying on technique rather than strength story to explain any generalised difference in technical ability 'cos lack of courage and strength in skiing can be just as much of a disadvantage as relying on them. However when it comes to performance, whatever the game, having more strength to draw on is always an advantage, to go alongside whatever technical skills one possesses.
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I'm not saying better or worse, but nearly all the dangerous skiers I see are men or boys. Nearly all my friends who've been injured (including myself) have been hit by men or boys. Courage is a matter of overcoming your fear - not of having no fear. It's not remotely courageous to do something you're not afraid of. IMO many men rely entirely on strength and that is very unsatisfactory. OTOH, many women do not seek to become good skiers in the first place. Many men mistake speed for good ....
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| easiski wrote: |
| Blade, As usual Mr Gold is just trolling. |
How can stating the obvious be trolling!
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Whitegold, oh DO shut up, will you.
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This is what my good friend Bode had to say on the subject !
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plectrum, either really.
If 'skilled force' is counterintuitive then one cannot expect to deduce it 'just by doing' but must have intense analytical thought or external training, i.e. pay for someone else's thoughts.
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