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So on what basis are you pretty sure?
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We filled out our PLF forms last night for an Italian trip this weekend. It is crystal clear when filling out the form that, at present, you need to be fully vaxed and also have a 48hr PCR or 24hr LFT.
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This is very clear. We were never part of schengen and are now not part of the EU. The changes announced by the Italian Government are crystal clear that they apply only to EU citizens. There seems some wishful thinking regulations for Europeans apply to Brits, they do not. That is what the Brexit choice means.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Just about to order LFTs - can anyone confirm for drivers, going home from Italy at the end of a week, do we need new 24hr LFTs to get into France and onto home (same day)?
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It is absolutely clear that this applies to EU citizens only. Did you read it?
Under Italy it states:
"What are the rules to enter this country from an EU Member State or Schengen Associated country?"
Or do you think UK still qualifies as either?
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| Just about to order LFTs - can anyone confirm for drivers, going home from Italy at the end of a week, do we need new 24hr LFTs to get into France and onto home (same day)? |
+1. I suddenly had this thought yesterday.
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It is absolutely clear that this applies to EU citizens only. Did you read it?
Under Italy it states:
"What are the rules to enter this country from an EU Member State or Schengen Associated country?"
Or do you think UK still qualifies as either? |
I have a confession to make  , I am writing this from Dublin.
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| zikomo wrote: |
It is absolutely clear that this applies to EU citizens only. Did you read it?
Under Italy it states:
"What are the rules to enter this country from an EU Member State or Schengen Associated country?"
Or do you think UK still qualifies as either? |
I have a confession to make , I am writing this from Dublin. |
Lucky sod! Another Brexit dividend for the rest of us.
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@luigi, UK chose to leave the EU. One of the founding principles of the EU is freedom of movement of people, so it is not surprising that the EU takes steps to facilitate that. The recent guidance from the EU Council (which member states are not required to implement) is of course only applicable to EU citizens, not least as immigration rules for nations outside the EU is determined by individual member states. So this is an EU policy, applicable to EU citizens, issued by the EU Council. I don't at all get your point about it somehow being some sort of political point.
The vaccine thing was a mess at the start for the EU that is true. But it is an actual fact that the UK could have done exactly the same things regardless of whether we were in the EU or not. Brexiteers delight in ignoring this fact and seem to think it is some sort of Brexit dividend that the UK was able to secure vaccine supplies so quickly. It is not, we had the same right to do so before we left the EU.
I really think people should stop complaining when the EU makes policy decisions that do not include any benefits for UK citizens. The UK chose to leave, so deal with it.
There is no extra risk between a triple vaxxed Brit and a Dane. But the EU council can only make this sort of policy for EU members. If you are unhappy that some countries continue to have additional restrictions for non-EU citizens then you are welcome to vote with your feet and go elsewhere (Switzerland for example). But don't blame it on the EU.
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@luigi, UK chose to leave the EU. One of the founding principles of the EU is freedom of movement of people, so it is not surprising that the EU takes steps to facilitate that. The recent guidance from the EU Council (which member states are not required to implement) is of course only applicable to EU citizens, not least as immigration rules for nations outside the EU is determined by individual member states. So this is an EU policy, applicable to EU citizens, issued by the EU Council. I don't at all get your point about it somehow being some sort of political point.
The vaccine thing was a mess at the start for the EU that is true. But it is an actual fact that the UK could have done exactly the same things regardless of whether we were in the EU or not. Brexiteers delight in ignoring this fact and seem to think it is some sort of Brexit dividend that the UK was able to secure vaccine supplies so quickly. It is not, we had the same right to do so before we left the EU.
I really think people should stop complaining when the EU makes policy decisions that do not include any benefits for UK citizens. The UK chose to leave, so deal with it.
There is no extra risk between a triple vaxxed Brit and a Dane. But the EU council can only make this sort of policy for EU members. If you are unhappy that some countries continue to have additional restrictions for non-EU citizens then you are welcome to vote with your feet and go elsewhere (Switzerland for example). But don't blame it on the EU. |
I see your point, I'm not a Brexiteer, just cynical of all politicians and their tactics of dressing up their political point-scoring as reasonable policy. The EU needs to make benefits stand out in order to perpetuate itself.
But you kinda proved my point by saying that Switzerland, free of EU influence, is making sensible rational decisions for its people and ski industry based on risk. The politicians in the EU nations are reluctant to step out of line as they are eyeing the rewards of joining the EU gravy train after failing in their own national political sphere.
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@Hurtle, I think we both agree with both of us! Anyway thread drift so back on topic…
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So given the current rates, can we conclude that it's a political decision rather than one 'following the science' which list and which entry requirements apply?
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You know it makes sense.
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@Uncle Rico, It always was a political decision, politicians weighing risks and benefits. I don't see how that has changed.
I do think that the direction of travel (so to speak!) will be less testing and more focus on vaccinations. It is a question of when not if that testing requirements start to fall away.
I repeat, all that has happened iS the EU Council issued guidance, not a requirement, that member states reduce the testing requirements to cross borders within the EU. It is a requirement under EU law, indeed a founding principle, that member states facilitate the free movement of people within the EU. This guidance reflects that fact, and that as soon as possible member states should remove barriers to that freedom of movement WITHIN THE EU.
The UK is like any other nation which is not a member of the EU, we do not have any special status. Rules for entry have always been different for non-EU citizens and it is beyond me why anyone would be surprised that they continue to be so. If you don't like the choices that individual countries are making regarding entry to their country, then do not patronise that country. But do not blame the EU - it is only doing what it is required to do under EU law, namely facilitate freedom of movement of people within the EU.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Just about to order LFTs - can anyone confirm for drivers, going home from Italy at the end of a week, do we need new 24hr LFTs to get into France and onto home (same day)? |
I have assumed techinically as having come from UK within 14 days a YES, but I suspect practically NO
- we're driving at half term 2 adults + 12yo & 7yo
so I've assumed technically ...
UK->FRANCE LFT for 12+ (3 tests)
FRANCE->ITALY LFT for 6+ (4 Tests)
ITALY->FRANCE LFT for 12+ (3 tests)
FRANCE->UK no testing required
... whether they will check at the Mont Blanc tunnel in either direction is, in my opinion, somewhat doubtful ... but with a UK registered car maybe slightly more likely ...?
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Poster: A snowHead
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@zikomo, It always was a political decision, politicians weighing risks and benefits. I don't see how that has changed.
I do think that the direction of travel (so to speak!) will be less testing and more focus on vaccinations. It is a question of when not if that testing requirements start to fall away.
I repeat, all that has happened iS the EU Council issued guidance, not a requirement, that member states reduce the testing requirements to cross borders within the EU. It is a requirement under EU law, indeed a founding principle, that member states facilitate the free movement of people within the EU. This guidance reflects that fact, and that as soon as possible member states should remove barriers to that freedom of movement WITHIN THE EU.
The UK is like any other nation which is not a member of the EU, we do not have any special status. Rules for entry have always been different for non-EU citizens and it is beyond me why anyone would be surprised that they continue to be so. If you don't like the choices that individual countries are making regarding entry to their country, then do not patronise that country. But do not blame the EU - it is only doing what it is required to do under EU law, namely facilitate freedom of movement of people within the EU
Thanks for your 'advice' here's some for you, Calm Down Dear or if you prefer Wind Your Neck In THERE'S NO NEED TO SHOUT!!
My question was open, yet you seemed to suggest that it was posed on the basis that I hadn't realised that we'd left the EU or somehow that we deserve "special status" or that I had a particular stance.
As to why it's beyond you why anyone would be surprised that Rules for Entry have always been different for EU and Non EU visitors, well this clearly didn't apply to Austria at Christmas time, so isn't really correct and is somewhat contradictory, as the UK was on the same constraints as Denmark Norway and the Netherlands based on case rates, not on membership of a club.
I'm not "blaming" anyone and I agree that Italy and the EU can make up their own rules of entry whilst being disappointed that given the comparative case rates, decisions are made on politics rather than science, it's not binary
It certainly isn't a deal breaker for me, or my group either. We are vaccinated and will take the necessary tests and complete the regulatory locator forms which will hopefully see us enjoying our holiday with old friends from across the continent.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@WD40,
I also have a confession to make, by the time i got to the bit about
“ Entering this country without the EU Digital COVID certificate or with a certificate not compliant with national requirements”, i overlooked that it was still just for eu, Shengen
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Uncle Rico, Thanks for your advice. Not at all passive aggressive.
Entry restrictions have always been a political choice, they are not set by scientists they are set by politicians. Not least as there is are no absolutes when it comes to the science. Governments, including our own, have taken scientific advice and then made a judgement. Often not exactly following that scientific advice. Nothing has changed.
The only things I object to is blaming the EU for doing exactly what it is supposed to do, i.e. further the aims and principles of the bloc. And objecting to the entry criteria that various countries choose to implement. We are not part of the EU, it is not relevant for us what decisions are made by the EU, and a big part of moving on from Brexit is to accept that fact. In short, it is what it is and there is no point complaining about the choices either the EU or it's member states make. Frankly that is what this nation voted for.
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@zikomo, We seem to be in danger of derailing this thread, so I'll leave there with you as you seem to want to ascribe a certain point of view to me when we've obviously never met and have specifically stated that I don't blame the EU or Italy and will take the test to revisit Italy.
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So bringing the post back to the question what’s the best lateral flow pre departure test for entering Italy I have been recommended living care but not heard of them any suggestions appreciated
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@Uncle Rico, Agree on drift thread, these aspects are better discussed elsewhere. I do think it is a good idea to try and avoid getting personal, and to not tell others how they should behave (for example "wind your neck in", "no need to shout"). I have been factual in my responses to what you have actually written and have not ascribed any particular point of view to you. Sorry if you feel that I have, it was certainly not my intent. Happy to leave it at that and get back on topic.
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If I was to summarise the conclusions from this thread and the other one here https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=158524 then it would probably be that the top three suggestions for lateral flow tests are:
- Chronomics
- Excalibur (no longer offering travel tests since the start of this week)
- Randox
There are some others but personally I would go with Chronomics or Randox as the tests for Italy have to be done with 24 hours of arrival so it's very time sensitive and not worth taking a chance on a less well known supplier.
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@carla4221, I did a dummy run with Randox the other day and posted what happened. In essence it worked ok, near instant results. But the app is a bit quirky and the promised email was not sent. But we could download the certificate, it has a QR code, and able to save to phone/print. Not used the certificate in anger yet as we don't travel until next week but looks to fulfil the requirements from what I can tell. I used click abd collect which was very convenient (the shop I collected from had a huge box of tests to dispense from).
That said, I would oder and get your tests sooner rather than later. Some (Chronomics) are exiting the market and I think there will be a hell of a rush over half-term.
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So bringing the post back to the question what’s the best lateral flow pre departure test for entering Italy I have been recommended living care but not heard of them any suggestions appreciated
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I've ordered from c19testing which we used twice last year for travel to EU, although not for Italy. The process was simple and the certs came back within 2 hours. The "within 24hr" window adds some stress as previously the Window was 48hr, as does the capacity of the testing firms to cope with the added load of 1/2 term, but hopefully it'll be fine. Short of paying through the nose for in-person pre-departyre tests at the airport, there's nothing else you can do.
We land c.Midday in Italy on Sat 12th so allowing a couple of hours or so contingency for delays etc we should ideally do the tests c.1pm UK time on the Friday - I'm seriously considering cycling into the kids' schools at lunchtime on the Friday to get them to do the tests in the optimal time window! (perhaps I'm over-thinking this...)
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Thanks will have a look now we are going hopefully half term so best get them ordered
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Damn - was planning on using Excalibur as good price compared to others.
Chronomics say they only post it 4 days before travel date - seems to be a good way to break their logistics in the run up to the holiday !
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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C19, living care and Randox most reliable with very fast turnaround.
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So the click and collect option for Randox is closest in price...(I need 12 if we have to do 4 to drive back into France from italy at the end of the hols!) and my instinct is to order now ahead of rush...but their refund is only 14 days....
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You know it makes sense.
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Thanks will have a look now we are going hopefully half term so best get them ordered
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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C19 here, will be doing mine around midday tomorrow. Will let you know the results turnaround time...
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Poster: A snowHead
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@carla4221, I did a dummy run with Randox the other day and posted what happened. In essence it worked ok, near instant results. But the app is a bit quirky and the promised email was not sent. But we could download the certificate, it has a QR code, and able to save to phone/print. Not used the certificate in anger yet as we don't travel until next week but looks to fulfil the requirements from what I can tell. I used click abd collect which was very convenient (the shop I collected from had a huge box of tests to dispense from).
That said, I would oder and get your tests sooner rather than later. Some (Chronomics) are exiting the market and I think there will be a hell of a rush over half-term. |
Zikimo, are you confusing Chronomics with Excalibur? I don't think I've seen anything about Chronomics leaving the market.
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@olderscot, Yes I am, sorry! I meant Excalibur, not Chronomics, is exiting the market. I suspect that others will follow though, as the demand lessens so will the cost-effectiveness for providers who have to maintain apps/customer service/other overheads.
I liked the click and collect option from Randox. And did not like the fact that Chronomics say they will only post 4 days before departure, it is added stress particularly as there have been issues with delayed post recently.
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I had some Chronomics arrive yesterday for my flight on Saturday. The delivery was via DPD so avoided any delays in the post.
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| @olderscot, And did not like the fact that Chronomics say they will only post 4 days before departure, it is added stress particularly as there have been issues with delayed post recently. |
Not realising it was a courier delivery & feeling twitchy about delivery, I just went back in to my Chronomics account once I’d done my order & edited it to bring my flight forward by a week. Worked a treat. In fact all of us in our group did the same with no issues.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Just did a dummy run with Randox as my daughter will have to do one on her own when away with the school. App was ok to use and we uploaded a picture of the test in the app no problem.
Result came back in a few minutes
BUT - no email of the certificate.
And my daughters app shows "1 pending" in certificates on the app.
She did manage to download a pdf to her phone when when got the result.
The problem I have is she will have no chance to print anything before her flight. Is a copy of the pdf on a phone accepted? Is it better showing the certificate from within the app? Or will she need a paper copy? Anyone have any experience of this? She is flying to Italy (Milan) on Ryanair on Mon 14th Feb. |
No problem at all with the digital version of the Covid cert on our trip to Italy last week, albeit BA.
It was the one thing that was scrutinised on departure from the UK but no checks at the Italy end (we entered Italy on EU passports, on this occasion, not aware of any other checks on UK passports holders except for the border guard stamping UK passports)
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Not realising it was a courier delivery & feeling twitchy about delivery, I just went back in to my Chronomics account once I’d done my order & edited it to bring my flight forward by a week. Worked a treat. In fact all of us in our group did the same with no issues.
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I did the same except Chronomics didn't get them out any earlier and I wasn't prepared to risk them not turning up. So I ordered another set from Qured that arrived next day. I'm getting a refund from Chronomics.
I won't use them again - crazy idea not to just send them out when they are ordered.
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| Chronomics - crazy idea not to just send them out when they are ordered. |
I suppose they want to stop you doing the test as soon as it arrives, then photographing the negative result days later in the test window.
But it's all nonsense anyway as you can just squirt the buffer solution in and it will go negative.
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I suppose they want to stop you doing the test as soon as it arrives, then photographing the negative result days later in the test window.
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I hadn't thought of that. As you say though if you don't actually swab anywhere you are guaranteed a negative test.
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Does anyone know if we need another fit2flight test before coming back to the UK from Italy (E.g. Turin in my case) in March 2022? From the guidance given by Crystal, my understanding is that we don’t need. But I thought it’s worth double triple checking in case if I missed anything.
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@Heather2021, Return LFT (to the UK) stopped being needed on the 11th of Feb
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