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| VolklAttivaS5 wrote: |
| @clarky999, what’s the point of being vaccinated then…. |
To avoid getting to this stage, I guess (if enough people had been vaccinated). But I know of more and more double vaccinated people getting infected currently regardless... My gf's grandmother (double vaxxed) caught it in hospital last week from someone on her ward (who had symptoms but tested negative for a few days before then testing positive). A friend of their family is a doctor in the same hospital (in OÖ), and apparently they are simply overwhelmed right now.
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| Kooky wrote: |
| @VolklAttivaS5, In Salzburg it is for everyone. What indeed was the point of getting vaxxed, it really sends out the wrong message. |
I would guess you are not the only angry one!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Noymychashkachaia wrote: |
| Does anyone know how long this lockdown is supposed to be for? |
I read something that until 8th December* was being bandied around. Somewhere else said 'many weeks'. In reality, whatever they say now will most likely change again.
On the positive side, they are still talking about doing this to save the ski season...
*Edit: that's being considered for Tirol, if/when lockdown is implemented here too: https://www.tt.com/artikel/30806289/innsbrucker-bm-willi-fuer-lockdown-bund-und-laender-beraten-in-tirol
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@Kooky, do you know what the actual rules for the new lockdown are? Is it just shops closed and stay home after 10pm, but everyone can still do outdoor sport etc?
Gonna be a LOT of unhappy people after the expense of setting up and opening the Christmas markets this week to then close them immediately...
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@clarky999, oh you can definitely still get infected with it but the idea is meant to be it reduces the chances of serious illness/death considerably so people aren’t bogging up the hospitals.
I think it will be a bit like the Welsh firebreak lockdowns where they will do it for until say mid Dec so it gets the case load down before the Christmas tourist time starts.
We will see!!
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Hanging in there… I’m not cancelling, the apartment will have to cancel on me!
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| clarky999 wrote: |
| Noymychashkachaia wrote: |
| Does anyone know how long this lockdown is supposed to be for? |
I read something that until 8th December* was being bandied around. Somewhere else said 'many weeks'. In reality, whatever they say now will most likely change again.
On the positive side, they are still talking about doing this to save the ski season...
*Edit: that's being considered for Tirol, if/when lockdown is implemented here too: https://www.tt.com/artikel/30806289/innsbrucker-bm-willi-fuer-lockdown-bund-und-laender-beraten-in-tirol |
It just feels like last year all over again - lockdown until X date which then keeps on getting extended. We are due to go on 17/18 Dec so it's quite tight! Also I read in that link that they now intend to vaccinate 5-12 year olds in the Tirol. What's the betting that even if they reopen for the ski season it will be with restrictions for unvaccinated children - which will be the vast majority of foreign visitors with children!
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| VolklAttivaS5 wrote: |
| @clarky999, what’s the point of being vaccinated then…. |
Maybe it's because there's less chance....
... of you landing in intensive care.
... of a serious COVID infection and long corona
... you will contribute to the intensive beds shortage which leads to a lockdown and stuffs up the ski season for everybody.
Last edited by After all it is free  on Thu 18-11-21 16:34; edited 1 time in total
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What they should have done really is this summer had a big vaccination campaign more or less saying ‘want a normal ski season/Christmas this year? Get vaccinated!’
November is a bit late.
I’m not sure any campaign would have worked there though?
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| DB wrote: |
| VolklAttivaS5 wrote: |
| @clarky999, what’s the point of being vaccinated then…. |
Maybe it's because there's less chance....
... of you landing in intensive care.
... of a serious COVID injection and long corona
... you will contribute to the intensive beds shortage which leads to a lockdown and stuffs up the ski season for everybody. |
I agree with you 100%, it was a rhetorical question that many disappointed people will no doubt be thinking.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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This is from yesterday. Walser usually has a good handle on the situation [translated]:
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"If you listen to the virologists, they say the only thing that can help us is a lockdown,"
the Wifo [Austrian Institute for Economic Research] expert said.
"And when it comes to tourism, I think, yes, we need a lockdown, a very consistent, hard lockdown probably until before Christmas."
Tyrol's Chamber of Commerce President Christoph Walser, on the other hand, could do nothing at all with this position.
"They are dreamers. In the event of a general lockdown, the winter season is dead. That would be the death sentence. Now you should finally let the measures that were just decided a few days ago take effect and not come up with new ones every day."
In the event of a lockdown, most of them would "no longer be able to open up," the employees would be gone. Exactly the same thing happened a year ago - there was also talk that a lockdown would drastically improve the situation and save the winter season. That was not the case. And he can already hear the arguments in a month and a half in the event of a lockdown:
"Then it would be: 'Just don't open up now, so as not to jeopardise the successes of the past one and a half months'." |
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@Scarlet, it’s true, changing things every week is not the answer
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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The word “lockdown” can mean a thousand different things. It's all speculation until the reg is published.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Yes let’s wait and see what actually gets implemented
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| VolklAttivaS5 wrote: |
What they should have done really is this summer had a big vaccination campaign more or less saying ‘want a normal ski season/Christmas this year? Get vaccinated!’
November is a bit late.
I’m not sure any campaign would have worked there though? |
They have tried all sorts to get people vaccinated. It's like getting people to change their football team / religion, or wear a helmet.
Many anti-vaxers don't think it will hit them and say things such as "I'm not scarred of COVID".
The facts speak for themselves, most intensive care beds are taken by the third of the population who are not vaccinated.
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I am having a version of schnitzelpanik....we are booked in leogang 15-22 dec...hope the regs are 'really clear' when published
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| DB wrote: |
| VolklAttivaS5 wrote: |
What they should have done really is this summer had a big vaccination campaign more or less saying ‘want a normal ski season/Christmas this year? Get vaccinated!’
November is a bit late.
I’m not sure any campaign would have worked there though? |
They have tried all sorts to get people vaccinated. It's like getting people to change their football team or religion, or wear a helmet.
Many anti-vaxers don't think it will hit them and say things such as "I'm not scarred of COVID".
The facts speak for themselves, most intensive care beds are taken by the third of the population who are not vaccinated. |
Yes there will be a fair amount of pigheadedness going on I should think. No matter what the facts show.
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Tbh, I’m in Ireland where we have had pretty tough lockdowns, very high vaccination rates and we are still going backwards and also facing another lockdown.
I can’t see Austria being able to sort this with a few weeks of lockdown, I think this winter season will probably be another write off, vaccinated with my booster this year, nothing to make me think next season will be any different. Because winters are tough with this virus.
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By the sounds of it, it is going to be a pretty stringent Lockdown, potentially involving schools as well.
On top of that it sounds like there is certainly scope for this to expand to the whole of Austria. Comment from head of Upper Austria Thomas Stelzer:
„Sollte es morgen zu keinem bundesweiten Lockdown kommen. Dann wird es auf alle Fälle in Oberösterreich gemeinsam mit Salzburg einen mehrwöchigen Lockdown geben."
Saying that if there is no national Lockdown tomorrow, Upper Austria and Salzburg will proceed with their own multi-week Lockdown. Indicating that there is a certain chance that a Lockdown for all of Austria will be decided on tomorrow.
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For a very stark demonstration of what is happening you only have to look at the figures published daily by the Bavarian health authority (the demographic and cultural situation is very similar to Upper Austria, Salzburg, Tirol & Vorarlberg) https://www.lgl.bayern.de/gesundheit/infektionsschutz/infektionskrankheiten_a_z/coronavirus/karte_coronavirus/index.htm#karte only in German but should be easy enough to read the figures.
For vaccinated people the 7 day rate for infections Bavaria wide is approx. 97 / 100,000 for the unvaccinated it is nearly 10 times as much 953 / 100,000!!! For hospitalisation the rate is 2.5 / 100,000 for vaccinated and 12.5 / 100,000 for the unvaccinated (this is also skewed by the fact that vaccinated people tend to be older and so more vulnerable to other diseases which in turn make them more vulnerable to Covid, so for equivalent age groups the disparity will be even greater).
No wonder folk who have been vaccinated are getting very grumpy!
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@munich_irish, thanks for posting good to see the stats.
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No wonder folk who have been vaccinated are getting very grumpy!
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@munich_irish, Indeed......really annoying that the unvaccinated minority are spoiling it for the majority. Interesting stats......not looking great for our trip to Arlberg at Christmas.... 
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@Markymark29, you’ve got to get over there to fetch your stuff from last season haven’t you? As well as it being a skiing trip?
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i had a Weekend in Radstadt (03 till 05 Dez)
That was the prepay from our cancelled Appartment for Dez 2019/Jan 2020
Couple min. ago , they wrote that Salzburg is in Lock Down. No guest for min. a couple of weeks and they will send the money back...
i am so dissapointed. Not because of this Weekdend
But definitely we are once again in the wrong direction
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Well with 3 weeks to go on my planned pre-Christmas trip to the Skiwelt, this looks to be the final nail in the coffin. It also then makes my planned purchase of a season ticket pointless, as even if they opened up before the end of December I'd still not be able to get enough use out of it to justify the up-front cost, especially once the early bird discount is gone.
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at present Tirol ist not in Lockdown...but who knows....i have booked 10 Days end of Dec in Ost Tirol.
Not sure right now, but i start to looking for alternatives
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You know it makes sense.
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Also I read in that link that they now intend to vaccinate 5-12 year olds in the Tirol. What's the betting that even if they reopen for the ski season it will be with restrictions for unvaccinated children - which will be the vast majority of foreign visitors with children!
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There is no chance of this happening, the vaccine is not yet approved by the EMA. These are voluntary 'off label' vaccinations. Even when approved it will be a number of months before a structured offering could be carried out, by then the winter season will be over.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@turms2, Tirol is likely not far behind, unfortunately. I'm also now thinking of alternatives, and Switzerland is probably top of my list due to Covid numbers and previous approach to containment, but I know very little of their current entrance and safety requirements. Time for some research...
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| ousekjarr wrote: |
| @turms2, Tirol is likely not far behind, unfortunately. I'm also now thinking of alternatives, and Switzerland is probably top of my list due to Covid numbers and previous approach to containment, but I know very little of their current entrance and safety requirements. Time for some research... |
yes indeed...i am looking for France or Switherland...
Very dissapointed. Ant the worst , that i have to wait and search something last minute
Last minute for 30 Dez till 08 Jan will be a desaster
I think that i will manage to get only somewhere in Gramisch (although i dont like it at all) . ANd only if the "King" Söder let the resorts to operate
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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What's the verdict on half term being a goer?
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@harvey13, any verdicts given now are as likely to be as accurate as guessing the weather for half term!
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| turms2 wrote: |
| ousekjarr wrote: |
| @turms2, Tirol is likely not far behind, unfortunately. I'm also now thinking of alternatives, and Switzerland is probably top of my list due to Covid numbers and previous approach to containment, but I know very little of their current entrance and safety requirements. Time for some research... |
yes indeed...i am looking for France or Switherland...
Very dissapointed. Ant the worst , that i have to wait and search something last minute
Last minute for 30 Dez till 08 Jan will be a desaster
I think that i will manage to get only somewhere in Gramisch (although i dont like it at all) . ANd only if the "King" Söder let the resorts to operate |
If you get something sorted out in France or Switzerland now with free cancellation there will be more accommodation available than usual because of the ‘people with kids’ thing. At least you can drive there from Germany so don’t have to think about flights being cancelled, you just need the digs.
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| munich_irish wrote: |
| @harvey13, any verdicts given now are as likely to be as accurate as guessing the weather for half term! |
This. For anywhere.
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3 to 4 weeks long.
They are hoping before Christmas.
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| VolklAttivaS5 wrote: |
| turms2 wrote: |
| ousekjarr wrote: |
| @turms2, Tirol is likely not far behind, unfortunately. I'm also now thinking of alternatives, and Switzerland is probably top of my list due to Covid numbers and previous approach to containment, but I know very little of their current entrance and safety requirements. Time for some research... |
yes indeed...i am looking for France or Switherland...
Very dissapointed. Ant the worst , that i have to wait and search something last minute
Last minute for 30 Dez till 08 Jan will be a desaster
I think that i will manage to get only somewhere in Gramisch (although i dont like it at all) . ANd only if the "King" Söder let the resorts to operate |
If you get something sorted out in France or Switzerland now with free cancellation there will be more accommodation available than usual because of the ‘people with kids’ thing. At least you can drive there from Germany so don’t have to think about flights being cancelled, you just need the digs. |
what is the "people with kids thing"? i have also kids.
i hope tha means not that in FR or SWI there is also a matter with kids / vaccine... or you mean 12 - 18 y old?
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@turms2, I’m not sure to be honest as I don’t have any kids so it doesn’t affect me. You would have to look at the threads on going skiing with teenagers etc to see what they are saying about other countries but in Austria yes it’s the 12-18 year olds which were in question (from the UK anyway with one jab).
What I meant is, because there is the uncertainty regarding whatever age group children from the UK with one jab (depending on the country they wish to go to) there should be a fair amount of accommodation available compared to a usual season when there is none of this uncertainty!
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FAQ
If there's a lockdown can accomodation providers (hotels, guesthouses etc) still have guests staying? I'm due to be staying at Landhaus Fay in Bad Ischl in less than 2 weeks time! 
