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The Arlberg Snow Report 2023/2024 (Dec 1 - April 21)

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@munich_irish, was it an excellent cappuccino though? OK, that's a lot. My wife, who isn't much of a drinker, still jokes about the fact beer was cheaper than tap water in Zermatt earlier this year. Would you say Arlberg food/drink prices are comparable to expensive major cities like London? This is what we're currently prepared for. So we're talking £5 for coffee, £8 for a pint, and maybe £40-50 per head for an evening meal and a drink. Am I close? Very Happy
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@inthecold, nothing special, I had one at one of the outside bars in the centre of Lech and that was not quite so expensive. Your numbers are about right €6ish for a coffee €8ish for a beer (think thats what I paid at the Moose last year), meals depends on where and how much you drink. As ever there are cheaper spots, the train station bar in St Anton is less than €4 / beer but that is a bit far from the bottom of the slopes and not quite so atmospheric!
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Snow&skifan wrote:
alex_sauvage wrote:
Anybody knows good, but not too expensive ski rental place in St Anton or vicinity? After skiing in France last few years ski rental prices in Austria are a bit shocking: almost twice as much than we paid in France. And we are coming from North America, so bringing skis with us is not really an option.


We found the ski rental prices in Val Thorens incredibly expensive last season, the inflation since the lockdowns significant to say the least? What prices were you paying in France 2022/23?

For us Austria's on a par.


I never paid more than 80-90 EURO per week for high performance ski. Sometimes less. I normally book them thru Snowbrainer or Alpinski (sp). It looks like their discounts (whatever it means) in France are much higher (they claim 60% off) than in Austria where it is about 15%. And we ski a lot (for North Americans) in 3 Valleys
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alex_sauvage wrote:
Anybody knows good, but not too expensive ski rental place in St Anton or vicinity? After skiing in France last few years ski rental prices in Austria are a bit shocking: almost twice as much than we paid in France. And we are coming from North America, so bringing skis with us is not really an option.


Go on alpine resorts website, there's 2 shops, we have used both are good, use promotix to get a discount, how many is travelling

Ski West. I used them for over twenty years. Servicing and rental - excellent.
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@munich_irish, great, thank you. I appreciate London prices are still expensive but that helps set expectations at least. We decided in Zermatt to at least go half-board until the point we can stomach self-catering. That way if the food isn’t great, we can eat out a few times, even if it’s expensive. As long as I can buy some coffee and a strudel without wincing, I’ll be happy. I suspect it’ll be a shock when we go to a less expensive resort.
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@alex_sauvage, if you have transport we always found the cheapest at the Sonnenkopf base station. https://www.milanovic.at/
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Just seen the weather forecast this weekend which states lots of sunshine however with spring like conditions and frost line above 3000m. Is this going to affect the piste skiing at all?
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@chubuking, honestly, are you committed to going?
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@chubuking, honestly, are you committed to going?


100% it’s just a case of which resort higher altitude vs excellent snow making capabilities of the likes of Saalbach
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@chubuking, you do realise that the only time you will be certain of the conditions is looking back at last week? Just do it or give it up…
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inthecold wrote:
@munich_irish, was it an excellent cappuccino though? OK, that's a lot. My wife, who isn't much of a drinker, still jokes about the fact beer was cheaper than tap water in Zermatt earlier this year. Would you say Arlberg food/drink prices are comparable to expensive major cities like London? This is what we're currently prepared for. So we're talking £5 for coffee, £8 for a pint, and maybe £40-50 per head for an evening meal and a drink. Am I close? Very Happy


Yes.. Good Budget but dont forget Tipping is Not a Town in China Very Happy


This seasons prices Apres Ski Mooserwirt & KK

https://menu.mooserwirt.at/de

https://www.krazykanguruh.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/KK_Speisekarte_2022.pdf


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Tourists are arriving and complaining expecically the Whinging Poms rolling eyes rolling eyes

After 3 days of relentless Unbrella Weather the temperature shoud drop a bit and next 3 days moe snow ... Very Happy Very Happy

Weekend shf in weather ,, Sunny and warmer


Almost 2.4 Metres of snow on the Hill and the winter has not even started Very Happy Very Happy

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Dont forget to Tip ..
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stanton wrote:
inthecold wrote:
@munich_irish, was it an excellent cappuccino though? OK, that's a lot. My wife, who isn't much of a drinker, still jokes about the fact beer was cheaper than tap water in Zermatt earlier this year. Would you say Arlberg food/drink prices are comparable to expensive major cities like London? This is what we're currently prepared for. So we're talking £5 for coffee, £8 for a pint, and maybe £40-50 per head for an evening meal and a drink. Am I close? Very Happy


Yes.. Good Budget but dont forget Tipping is Not a Town in China Very Happy


This seasons prices Apres Ski Mooserwirt & KK

https://menu.mooserwirt.at/de

https://www.krazykanguruh.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/KK_Speisekarte_2022.pdf


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Tourists are arriving and complaining expecically the Whinging Poms rolling eyes rolling eyes

After 3 days of relentless Unbrella Weather the temperature shoud drop a bit and next 3 days moe snow ... Very Happy Very Happy

Weekend shf in weather ,, Sunny and warmer


Almost 2.4 Metres of snow on the Hill and the winter has not even started Very Happy Very Happy

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Dont forget to Tip ..


Hey Stanton, I'll be there from 27 jan to 3 feb with 2 friends. Wanna grab a beer later on? Send me your number by DM.
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red 27 wrote:
Shocked


what? Puzzled
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so if its now 8.30 for a large beer in Mooser or KK where can you go to save a few euro's?

Its not that much of a reach, saalbach last year was 6.70 a large in Eva
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@enduroaid, Not sure the price in the Moose is more than last year (though perhaps consumption of said product is dulling my memory), Base Camp is a good deal more. The bars in the streets near Galzig are a bit less maybe €7 ish. The train station bar was less than €4 though perhaps not really apres atmosphere. The Mondscheinstüberl near the Nassereinbahn used to be reasonable but not been in recently, also nearby Fang House is probably more reasonable than the spots near Galzig
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red 27 wrote:
Shocked


what? Puzzled


He's got a taxicab to run wink
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Beer prices still look lower than I was paying in France nearly 15 years ago.
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If a beer in Saalbach is 6.70, then 8.30 in St.Anton is a bargain.
Just saying. Eh oh!
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yeah the apres beers in saalbach last season was 6.30-6.70 for a 500ml or in reality most of them either only did a 400ml or a bottle that way they could charge 5 euro....appear cheaper but you got less beer!

its a late season trip to st Anton for us for I'm sure a trip to the spar and sitting on the balcony will be grand.
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Langerzug wrote:
If a beer in Saalbach is 6.70, then 8.30 in St.Anton is a bargain.
Just saying. Eh oh!


Although we’re at a stage where the bars Saalbach are better than those in St Anton (if not the skiing). I think if you bypass the famous bars on the slopes the prices will be similar for both.

For beer at least.
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*bars in Saalbach
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“yeah the apres beers in saalbach last season was 6.30-6.70 for a 500ml or in reality most of them either only did a 400ml or a bottle that way they could charge 5 euro....appear cheaper but you got less beer!”

Thanks for that. I live there but didn’t even notice Puzzled
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Rendl is open for lifted skiing.
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Rendl is open for lifted skiing.


Great news.

What about the links between St Anton and Stuben? They're still closed for unclear reasons.
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@tccambs, nothing unclear: the weather has been rather extreme earlier this week; heavy rain even high up, followed by new snow: wet snow avalanches
In the German Alpinforum it is already suggested by a local that due to this rain and subsequent heavy avalanches some off-piste slopes will remain very difficult to ski for most of the season
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Next few days Perfect Sunny Winter Days From Thursday leading up to Xmas more snow at least 0.5metre

Full SkiBus/NachtBus Service is now in operation...
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http://youtube.com/v/h9GPa0rwetI&ab_channel=BauhofLech
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Huge Crevasse/Fissure opened up on Kapall.. Never happened before .

Great weather until Wednesday..then Snowydays to Xmas

Quiet days
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Had planned to ski the Arlberg on Friday, but both my mate and I ended up being ill so we moved it to yesterday.

Bad call: the snowfall cleared earlier than expected and the whole resort was already completely tracked out by Saturday morning (especially s we got stuck at Ahlenmadler chair for over 40 minutes as Schindler was closed Skullie ).

So we went for a little hike and found some nice snow from Maroiköpfe to Langen. Despite the rain last week there's more than enough snow to ski the whole way down. Neither of us had skied it before, so route-finding made the skiing a bit disjointed as we were nervous of ending up in a gulley or terrain trap. Also skipped the waterfall by staying high skiers' right... I think you get better skiing that way, but need to sidestep up a bit.


http://youtube.com/v/m6SrpkSW1N0

Not entirely gelling with my new BentChetlers tbh - think I'm gonna re-mount them a few centimetres back to get some more tip.

In another classic Arlberg move, a beer in Fang is now €6.90 rolling eyes Milking the tourist cash cow...


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Anybody can recommend a restaurant for New Year dinner? Not super fancy, but nice. St Anton webpage only lists last year option.


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@alex_sauvage, Dorfstuben
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Huge Crevasse/Fissure opened up on Kapall.. Never happened before .

Great weather until Wednesday..then Snowydays to Xmas

Quiet days


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@clarky999, very nice! Zermatt Sam over there having some fun too!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0_JS6wIXEJ/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==
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@Alastair Pink, Wow! I can confidently say that I have never seen anything like it on a piste. Maybe well into spring, when the piste has started to break up from water running under it, but not like this. It will be interesting to see how they deal with it.

BTW: when the 5 EUR/day tourist tax was mooted, I asked the Tourist Office if there were any plans to cap it for long term stays. They said they would look into it. You can probably guess that nothing happened.
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@ulmerhutte, Sometimes see them on Mattun and Meienwasen, have seen them on Kapall on the black above Gampen before but not so deep and wide. Warm grassy slip plane below heavy waterlogged snow over, very dangerous slide good job it stopped, need some infil by the pistebashers eh?
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We saw the same thing in Zell am See, right down to the grass, in January about 15 years ago after a 2m dump and then a warming. Trees were so heavily laden a few fell on to the piste and one crashed into a gondola.
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@clarky999, very nice! Zermatt Sam over there having some fun too!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0_JS6wIXEJ/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==


Ha that looks a bit nicer tbh!

Turns out I had/have corona (again) though, which might have been my issue rather than not gelling with the skis...
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@clarky999, very nice! Zermatt Sam over there having some fun too!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0_JS6wIXEJ/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==


Ha that looks a bit nicer tbh!

Turns out I had/have corona (again) though, which might have been my issue rather than not gelling with the skis...


i have since Friday. And had to cancel the Weekend nach Warth
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