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Shimmy Alcott - Why wouldn't it continue? This is an ongoing issue - there are trips at Easter that are booked with Skiing Europe and look to be in trouble. The longer it continues, the more people find out and subsequently the less people get "done over" by SE and Chris Reynard!
There are factors that keep popping up that people don't know about, and staying in the loop and informing others is the only way some of us can help out!
So long may it continue!!! 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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LucySki, oh, I wasnt moaning about the thread, I was moaning about SE continuing to wreck people holidays
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Well I've just heard that Chris Reynard walked into a school today and told them that he didn't have the money to pay for their trip next week. No offer of a refund, no offer of anything.
Sorry Shimmy Alcott, I got the wrong end of the stick but you're right.... HOW are SE still doing this and getting away with it!?!?!
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| LucySki wrote: |
Well I've just heard that Chris Reynard walked into a school today and told them that he didn't have the money to pay for their trip next week. No offer of a refund, no offer of anything.
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... and he walked out with both his legs intact? Missed opportunity there ...
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I also hear that there was a County solicitor there that is working for another school who have suffered by the hands of SE..................
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Lucyski - where's this school? Which county - how many pupils involved?
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| LucySki wrote: |
Well I've just heard that Chris Reynard walked into a school today and told them that he didn't have the money to pay for their trip next week. No offer of a refund, no offer of anything.
Sorry Shimmy Alcott, I got the wrong end of the stick but you're right.... HOW are SE still doing this and getting away with it!?!?! |
Was the headmaster astute enough to lock him in a room while police were summoned?
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I was chatting to someone mid week about a trip they are going on, nothing specific about SE, but reading between the lines I'd guess their trip at Easter could be affected.
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Has anyone seen evidence of Reynard recently soliciting new business while he cannot fulfil his existing contracts (and now appears to be saying so). There was a mention of him sending out emails in an earlier posting and his website is still looking for new business - but if there are others perhaps they could be posted here and/or reported to Trading Standards. The longer Reynard continues to trade while he cannot pay his creditors or meet his obligations to customers - the greater the risk he faces of a prosecution for fraudulent trading, the longer the sentence if he is found guilty and the more people who will be hurt.
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| fatbob wrote: |
| If I read the above correctly then this guy is still trying to solicit business and funds while claiming he has no cash to pay creditors or enable delivery of contracted services. If we assume this is being done on a personal basis there must be a point in time at which the tipping point into its classification as fraud is passed i.e. he is accepting funds for something he has no prospect or realistic intention of delivering. So instead of playing nicely nicely why aren't parents and schools lodging complaints with their local and Devon police? |
It was doen weeks ago. There is a crime reference number with Thames Valley Police. Trading Standards seem to be sat on their hands.
Do bear in mind there is also risk against those taking action against Reynard. He will counter-claim for sure and there-in lies a vicous little circle of worry and pain with no-one so far bold enough to stick their head above the parapet against a skillful and experienced rogue trader.
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| LucySki wrote: |
Well I've just heard that Chris Reynard walked into a school today and told them that he didn't have the money to pay for their trip next week. No offer of a refund, no offer of anything.
Sorry Shimmy Alcott, I got the wrong end of the stick but you're right.... HOW are SE still doing this and getting away with it!?!?! |
Chris Reynard has front
Last edited by snowHeads are a friendly bunch. on Mon 6-06-11 8:46; edited 1 time in total
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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A bit sketchy but I'm hearing that one school has decided to take the hit and repay circa £40k to parents for a SE trip that won't happen. Can't find anything reported on the web about it, anyone seen anything.
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daveyladboy - About 47+ students involved.... Down South!!!
noskitrip - I bet it looks good with his golf clubs in the boot whilst he is practising his drive on his custom made golf course in his garden!!!!!
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You know it makes sense.
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Noskitrip
I very much doubt that if it is R vs Reynard in respect of fraudulent trading that Reynard will try a counterclaim for damages - but if so the Crown is big enough to take care of itself. The more people who make complainst to Trading Standards and/or the Police - then the more the authorities will think that there is a case to investigate and prosecute. I wouldn't advise anyone but lawyers to get into private cases aganst Reynard.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| A bit sketchy but I'm hearing that one school has decided to take the hit and repay circa £40k to parents for a SE trip that won't happen. Can't find anything reported on the web about it, anyone seen anything. |
Unless it is a "community school" the school can't pay parents. It might make nice headlines but it is unlawful to use public funds in this way.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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noskitrip, and they stand zero chance of getting that back.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| noskitrip wrote: |
| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| A bit sketchy but I'm hearing that one school has decided to take the hit and repay circa £40k to parents for a SE trip that won't happen. Can't find anything reported on the web about it, anyone seen anything. |
Unless it is a "community school" the school can't pay parents. It might make nice headlines but it is unlawful to use public funds in this way. |
Guess it depends if parents paid the school or gave cheques made out to Skiing Europe. If they paid the school then it isn't public funds they are getting back, it's their own money. If they paid SE then I think you'd be right. What a mess.
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Cheques are invariably payable to the school. If this makes a school liable in such circumstances, then this will cause widespread change in the industry already...
lucyski - is this subject to the official secrets act, or something?! Give us a county at least!
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| daveyladboy wrote: |
| Cheques are invariably payable to the school. |
In that case I can't see any other option than for the schools concerned to pay the money back to parents and pursue the operator.
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| daveyladboy wrote: |
| Cheques are invariably payable to the school. |
In that case I can't see any other option than for the schools concerned to pay the money back to parents and pursue the operator. |
This is dealt with earlier in the forum thread. Essentially, the school is not the Tour Operator [TO] Parents might sue the school under package holiday regs to get their slice back but the cash will come out of school [educational] funds, so there are few who want to go down that route.
Please post if Reynard is going to any other school. I will organise a bus load to come and meet him.
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daveyladboy - I don't know much.... Just heard it through the grapevine!!! Trying to find out more as we speak!
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With the sums involved, I'm curious why no one has filed a statutory demand for re-payment.
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I suspect that schools are paying back on advice from lawyers paid for by the local authorities, who are not disinterested parties given that they probably approved SE initially. The schools could argue that they were acting as agents rather than principal (and this would still be the case even if the cheques were paid to the school and the funds were then paid on pretty quickly to SE as is normal practice for travel agents). I very much doubt that the schools making the repayments are acting beyond theie powers but arfe doing so based on legal advice received.
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Achilles
They probably fist have to make the demand for repayment from Reynard and give him some time for repayment - the courts would take a pretty dim view of going to court to make a claim straightaway rather than exhausting the normal remedies first. That said the claims from half term cannot be faraway from the courts.
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Just a thought. If Reynard is fairly familiar with the ways of courts and lawyers, it may be an idea for anyone making any comments on this thread (and there have been rumours and hearsay posted here) to be darned sure of their facts before posting. It's not unknown for those well versed in the ways of the law to achieve some remarkable turnarounds if supplied (however inadvertently) with the odd unsubstantiatable allegation. From what's been posted he probably doesn't want to go anywhere near a court just yet, but....
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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If Mr Reynard is thinking of passing by our school, I am sure there are a number of parents who would like to have a chat with him about his organisational skills and his ability to re-organise an event at short notice as this seems to be a skill that he is gifted in. A lot of us would appreciate his experience in "producing a rabbit from the hat" as we occasionally struggle to cover our costs on PTA and other voluntary events we arrange.
If you are around Chris, give us a call!!
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Fatbob - As said previously , if he is trading in the knowledge that he is insolvent and on the basis that he cannot pay his creditors then he is, this is fraud and the police should be involved, forget trading standards, get somebody to phone the police not just in Devon but wherever he has done a runner.
Forget Google or CRO checks, a very quick Dun & Bradstreet report would have highlighted the state of affairs!!!!!!
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You know it makes sense.
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| leedsunited wrote: |
| Fatbob - As said previously , if he is trading in the knowledge that he is insolvent and on the basis that he cannot pay his creditors then he is, this is fraud and the police should be involved, forget trading standards, get somebody to phone the police not just in Devon but wherever he has done a runner. |
It's a shame the banksters had a licence to do that.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| laundryman wrote: |
| leedsunited wrote: |
| Fatbob - As said previously , if he is trading in the knowledge that he is insolvent and on the basis that he cannot pay his creditors then he is, this is fraud and the police should be involved, forget trading standards, get somebody to phone the police not just in Devon but wherever he has done a runner. |
It's a shame the banksters had a licence to do that. |
laundryman, What the F*** has that got to do with this 
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Poster: A snowHead
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He appears to live in Richmond.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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lightningdan, Up his own jacksy morelike 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| lightningdan, Up his own jacksy morelike |
I agree,totally.
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MOUNT GRACE _ Ski Trip Update for parents 25/03/11
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We have contacted AITO and found that Skiing Europe are no longer bonded by AITO (March) but they were bonded at time of booking and whilst all payments were made. They provided us with the named contact of Mrs Kate Kenwood who is giving us and our solicitors advice.
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Skiing Europe is insured by IGI and we have spoken to Mrs Helen Atkinson at STATUS (which is the managing company of IGI insurance). We have sought confirmation that they provide financial protection to Skiing Europe in the event of the Skiing company becoming Insolvent. We have still to receive acknowledgement in writing of this.
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We have authorised the local authority solicitors to work with AITO to establish what behaviours by Skiing Europe constitute Insolvency and would trigger an insurance claim for the refunding of monies paid.
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We have contacted the LEA Offsite Visits Consultant, Mark Falkingham, for advice and he has given us details of the wider picture showing that we are not the only school or county to be in this position.
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We are in contact with Skiing Europe to explore their proposal of an alternative skiing holiday to Kitzbuhel by coach. We are requiring details of their coach company, hotel(s), ski pass providers etc to ensure bookings have been made (and paid for?) and will be honoured.
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The cancellation of the Bond with AITO means that our County Insurance Policy does not cover us any longer for any cancellation of travel/hotel but will cover sickness, accidents etc so alternative insurance will have to be explored, if available and if an alternative visit is to go ahead.
Questions and answers to date from LEA legal dept.
Q1. If parents have independent travel insurance would they be better off pursuing this?
A: It is worth making initial enquiries; policies differ.
Q2: Do those who do not go on the alternative trip lose their money?
A: refunds have been promised but whether promises will be kept remain to be seen.
Q3. Is the school insured re. money paid to us? Is there a ‘fidelity guarantee’?
A: This is under investigation by the solicitor.
Q4. Are we talking about an individual committing fraud and what will the impact of that be on the insurance position?
A: Again, this is subject to investigation. Our solicitor has asked IGI for their policy to go through its terms and ‘small print’.
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^ Ski Bound are part of TUI (think Crystal/First Choice). The holiday was booked in January 2010 and the company is only now saying there's no availability/problem with cost of flights 
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As somebody (me) said on this thread a few weeks ago
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www.thisissomerset.co.uk article about another cancelled ski trip, by Kings of Wessex School, this time they got let down by skibound... I notice they have the same address in Brighton as Hourmont total ski, who let us down badly 5 years ago - are they by any chance related?
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They don't appear to be the same company - but they have identical addresses.
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daveyladboy, both TUI, both on same floor of same building, essentially one and the same.
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Bode Swiller - thanks for that, now I shall also be giving skibound a very wide berth...
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