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Here incidentally are some ensembles.

Les Deux Alpes.

Chamonix.

The Arlberg.

Hintertux.

Sestriere.

Folgaria.

Zermatt.

Cairngorm.

Eastern Pyrenees.

Bad Gastein.
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nozawaonsen, a 20 degree possible split in the ensembles on 6th March looking at the 18z for Stuben!!
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nozawaonsen, do you have any updates for Jackson Hole and Park City. Am heading to Jackson on Saturday and then Park City early next week! Thanks.
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No big changes from the overnight run. High pressure all the way and little if any snow. Most if not all of the models now agreeing on a big warm up from Tue/Wed next week. Question is how long will the warm weather last? Sun cream and shades would be advisable if skiing in the Alps in the next couple of weeks. I still can't believe that it's nearly March and not one big dump of snow has affected the Italian Dolomites this winter. WOuld love to see figures showing how low the precipitation has been in that region this winter
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Just hope it breaks down for 10 days time..... Twisted Evil
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Just hope it breaks down for 10 days time..... Twisted Evil


So do I!!
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Off to Mottaret on 16th of March... hope the snow will last in this hot weather Confused
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norris, some suggestions of this in this morning's output. But not especially strong at present.

Anyway, shades and suntans isn't a bad look. On some people at least. Just make sure the beer's cold.

Tom W, yes there will be snow in Mottaret in mid March.

jimmybog, will see if I can find some. There will certainly be some floating around mid March. But yes, the Dolomites have not had a strong season so far.

darbyrw, Jackson has actually had a better season than many other western resorts. And it's been snowing there in the last few days.

Northwesterly flow or "Dirty Ridge"

Utah has had a trickier season. But conditions are improving.

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Tom W, I suspect you may just be ok Wink
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nozawaonsen, yes some weak signs. see what the 06 brings..
got a road trip through central switzerland coming up so really could do with snow as its all off piste Confused
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All those boring hours in the office looking at the weather and snow patterns for the last few winters - yep I know there will be snow.
BUT still like to worry a bit Wink

Seems like it is rather easy for 7-10 days forecast to change from cold and snowier to hot and sunny but rarely the other way around.
Maybe it is rubbish but that's my observation Very Happy
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Seems like it is rather easy for 7-10 days forecast to change from cold and snowier to hot and sunny but rarely the other way around.

Puzzled if that was true it would just get hotter and sunnier till we all disappeared in a puff of smoke.
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And the irony is, the opposite is happening.
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Tom W, it's largely untrue. People looking at the weather in summer hoping for hot and sunny weather frequently make similar comments about the models being frustrating. So unless there is some bizarre built in bias designed to frustrate, I suspect it has a lot more to do with expectations and the increased variation from run to run at that range.

Where there is some truth is that the GFS operational is currently run at two resolution levels. Up to +192 is hi res, beyond is low res. The low res runs can often amplify features which can create distortions of scale (but in all directions) beyond eight days.
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pam w, paulio, nozawaonsen, Did I not said it was RUBBISH Very Happy
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Certainly looking pleasantly warm in the Alps tomorrow.

1950s ski bums passed out in the snow.
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anyone else thought that meant Arc 1950?

I expected smug euro-families and bad architecture and I get beehives and capri pants.

I am just back from an enforced spell in hotter climes and have been worried that we're gripped by a devastating thaw.

Perhaps that is not the case judging by the chilled-out att-tit-tood of the cognescenti on here Puzzled
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Interesting little round up from Meteo France.

Point sur l'enneigement dans les massifs français au 22 février 2012


- The last significant snowfall [in the French Alps] was over three weeks ago at the end of January.
- The cold spell, with minimums between -20C and -30C is now finished, thanks to mild air and sunshine mean even if temperatures are negative at day break, they are positive during the day.
- Snow levels have not changed much over the last week. Marked contrast between north and south.
- Northern Alps: 10% to 50%, very good, more than average for the time of year, though ridges and exposed areas have lost coverage due to high winds in December and January.
- Southern Alps: Hautes Alpes is good, generally around normal for the time of year though 20-30% higher in some places. However, Alpes de Haute-Provence and Alpes-Maritimes are poor with snow levels -20 to -50% beneath seasonal average.
- Pyrenees: Snow good at all levels.

There was of course more recent and heavy snowfall last week in the eastern Alps, Austria in particular, leading to a spate of serious avalanches.

In general the eastern Alps will continue to see slightly cooler weather even in the current milder period. With the possibility of some very light snow on Sunday and Monday. Temperatures look like falling about 10C from tonight to Monday morning, before rising by at least that much by the middle of next week.

So temperatures will again be very mild in the middle of next week. Beyond that is less clear. Some suggestions of more unsettled weather as we go into March, but the pattern to beat is dry and mild.

So of course the next question is what to wear? And the answer is simple.

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Not sure I agree with the observation of no significant snow since the end of January. We had 30cm in a 24 hour period 14/15 Feb in Chatel (measured on my car roof). Obviously that doesn't speak for the whole of the Alps but it certainly felt significant on Thursday 16th. Certainly one tumble I took brought guffaws from the rest of the guys - i was totally submerged and lost both skis and was thigh deep looking for one of them (bloody Salomon BBRs hired for the day!)
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Forecast for some snow in the middle of Austria for Sun / Mon and getting a little cooler but then wiggles bring on spring again.

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It looks increasingly like a broad repeat of last season.

A snowy first half. A dry second half.
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Nothing really on the horizon to challenge the dominance of high pressure across Europe at present. By and large that looks like meaning mild and dry temperatures reaching into March. That said a weak disturbance will push across this weekend bringing cloudier weather by Saturday evening, possible snow in the Eastern Alps Sunday into Monday and cooler temperatures by Mobday morning.

By the middle of next week though as waynos suggests sunshine and mild temperatures should be filling the après terraces...
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Whitegold, only in the very broadest sense. Last season did not have an exceptionally snowy first half. This season snow across much of the northern Alps is significantly above average. Last season it was significantly under average.
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Whitegold, Yes there were some periods of snowfall and some without and winter turned to spring.
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From nozawaonsen's map, the far west of Ukraine looks like it's in for a treat next week!
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Piece from HAT on some of the recent avalanche activity.

Some recent accidents and more misleading information.

"Contrary to what is being said by even experienced journalists, the latest round of avalanche accidents is not due to all the snow that these parts of the Alps have had since the beginning of the season. It is due to the cold temperatures of the last month or so that has created a weak layer - then it snowed on top of this weak layer and that created an unstable snowpack (new snow on top of a weak layer)."


[for further background on the on piste avalanche in Austria see 18 Feb entry on here]

The Kuratorium für Alpine Sicherheit provides the following figures for avalanche fatalities in Austria.

10/11 3
09/10 39
08/09 32
07/08 29
06/07 17

Over the last 20 years there have been an average 25 fatalities per year (the years below being notable either for significantly high or low numbers of deaths):

04/05 48
03/04 8
98/99 50
97/98 11

They also had an interesting piece on on piste accidents. Between 01 November and 01 February there were 237 hit and run incidents on Austrian slopes, much less than over the same period last year. But as a proportion has remained 22% of accidents.

Here's how WRF sees some of the snowfall in the coming few days focussed on western Austria.

Sunday 26 0900
Tuesday 28 0300

Some suggestions in this evening's GFS that as we move into the second week of March the high pressure might start to break down, but you'd want to see that cropping up quite a bit over the next few days before starting to put any confidence in it.
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Some continuing suggestions in this morning's FI output.

GFS 06z +348

and

ECM 00z +240

that once we get towards the end of the first week and into second week of March high pressure over Europe may collapse.

I wouldn't take any of those particular charts seriously at this stage (nor would I rule out a resurgence in high pressure), but worth keeping an eye on in the 12z charts this evening.
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nozawaonsen, Any outlook for Scotland?
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Ricklovesthepowder, Scotland like the rest of the UK is likely to be exceptionally mild for the next week, considerably more so than the Alps (which will also have some very mild weather though neither as prolonged nor as warm as Scotland). Beyond that and beyond the reliable timeframe there is a possibility of colder and snowier weather returning.
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I'm not suggesting the charts will look like this at T +0, but it continues to look like there may be options for colder and snowier weather in early March for the Alps and Scotland.

ECM 12z +240
GFS 12z +324

Meanwhile some warm and sunny weather coming up midweek (though some light snow in the eastern Alps tomorrow).

Good times are out there!

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GFS 18z suggests the high pressure will start to break down around Sunday 04 - Monday 05 March, with the Azores High slipping back west and a trough pushing down from the north west.

GFS 18z +192

And bringing with it a colder and snowier outlook.

Worth keeping and eye on.
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Still holding this morning Cool Cool Cool
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Please let that continue through the next couple of weeks... First trip to espace killy on march 11th and the top up would be nice!
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shoogly, we may cross tracks, I'll be in Sainte Foy the same week with snowball and others, and will ski Espace Killy for at least a couple of days.

We need that top-up, I'm keeping my ifgnsre rcsossde.
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just checked webcams for Skiwelt and plenty of snow falling. Temps seem lower than forecast so what was predicted as rain is falling as snow. Happy days
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GFS 18z suggests the high pressure will start to break down around Sunday 04 - Monday 05 March, with the Azores High slipping back west and a trough pushing down from the north west.

GFS 18z +192

And bringing with it a colder and snowier outlook.


Bring it on Cool
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horizon, Cool will pm nearer the time
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Here's a good link from SLF showing snow depth percentage of long-term mean values for the snowpack in Switzerland as of 23 February. Parts of the east have twice, even three times average for the time of year.

There's been some reasonable snowfall in the eastern Alps today. Not massive, but 15cm+ in places. And it looks like there may be further light snow in Austria Tuesday into Wednesday. Temperatures start the week low overnight, though warming quickly where there's sunshine and rising to very mild from midweek.

However, there's growing consistency towards a change to colder and snowier weather in the Alps from around 05 March. Whether that sets up a more sustained period of snowy weather in the Alps is less clear. But this afternoon's 12z GFS keeps it rolling right on through FI.
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Amazing off piste from a week ago! bloopers and wipeouts at the end!


http://youtube.com/v/JVwiihKl4HM
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nozawaonsen, Been snowing pretty hard around Schladming since mid afternoon, just poked head out the door still coming down hard. Liking the Early March forecast.
Here's the latest radar with some nice bright colours.
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