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The Arlberg Snow Report 2023/2024 (Dec 1 - April 21)

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Markymark29 wrote:
@chubuking, It'll be very quiet in resort that week, my suggestion is to go to Pettneu or Flirsch if you are looking for cheaper deals, knock a few doors and you'll be sure to get a bargain early season. Or jump on the St Anton website and do an accommodation search, you can search by area, but it'll be more expensive than if you just go and speak to them directly. No such thing as a cheap lift-pass deal btw, all they are doing is rolling it up in the overall cost, buy accommodation from the hotels directly and lift pass from lift station.


well i suppose in the weekend will be relative busy
I spoke with Intersport about Ski Depot and they mentioned at Friday - Saturday they will stay open till 18.30 instead of 18.00

I know maybe it is not important but

1. much snow
2. sunny Sunday
3. some announcement such this from intersport

all these make me suspicious

We will see hot it will goes....hopefully will be really quiet
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@turms2, google maps! starter for 2!


https://www.arlberg-stuben.at/

https://www.hubertushof-arlberg.at/

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/6762+Stuben,+Austria/@47.1394739,10.1551432,17z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x479caf46d21f1d7b:0xdae59ebf1396ef3c!8m2!3d47.1396301!4d10.1580501!16s%2Fg%2F122jqyns?entry=ttu
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hubertushof ist super but out of my budget.
Furthermore with kids i dont think it worths it to go to a hotel like this.
I can not enjoy it.

But as far as i know a super place
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@turms2, my kids loved it but we used to go last week of season on a deal Smile

There are aprtments in Stuben, zoom in on that google maps link.
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The first 3 weeks are never that busy even with snow.. Just the weekenders if they can get here ...

...People are still at work and not on Holidays ...even Xmas week is not that busy as Germans etc go home and as Xmas (24th) is at the weekend.. I think the main crowds will arrive on the 25/26th for the big new year week staying until the 6th Jan


No let up... it is now going to be snowing non stop until Saturday night ...heavy again on Saturday.. probably another 0.75 to 1 metre..


Im not so sure all the announced lifts will open at once .. There will need to be a lot of digging out on the higher lifts Very Happy Very Happy

Sunday looks like Perfect weather so will be busy with Austrian Locals coming in from all over Tirol/Vorarlberg...

The ski buses to St Jakob & up to Mooser run on low season schedule until 16th..

Rendl normally doesnt open until a couple more weeks... So always worth a hike up for your own Private POW Very Happy


Global Warming is Great Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

New record !!!


http://youtube.com/v/JxbVi_0cRzY?


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Dbahn (German National Railway) Strikes ..... Which will have significant effect on Internatonal Rail & Increase Road Traffic into Austria & Switzerland..

Travellers travelling with DeutscheBahn in the next few weeks will need patience. As soon as the first strike by the train drivers' union GDL is over, there is a threat of a new standstill in train traffic.

Duration and duration of the next strike still uncertain

Union rejects "Christmas truce"

According to a DB board member, the GDL has rejected a three-week Christmas truce, i.e. a period without industrial action at the railway. "We have specifically proposed to the GDL that we should have a Christmas truce between 15 December and 7 January," says Deutsche Bahn. However, the train drivers' union with its boss Claus Weselsky was not prepared to do so.

https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?p=5196450&highlight=dbahn#5196450
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the ski bus from Anton to Jakob runs until 18.30 pm
at least so ist mentioned in this site
https://www.stantonamarlberg.com/de/service/fahrplaene
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kitenski wrote:
@turms2, my kids loved it but we used to go last week of season on a deal Smile

There are aprtments in Stuben, zoom in on that google maps link.


i have already booked...furthermore i dont like stuben....
it is more a pass than a small village.

Althoug the access is easier
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stanton wrote:

Rendl normally doesnt open until a couple more weeks...


What do you mean with "a couple more weeks"?

We plan on heading to St. Anton on 16 December, would be nice to have Rendl open by then
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Is anyone in St Anton at the moment - am flying in tomorrow for skiing Saturday and Sunday and wondering how conditions are looking after this latest storm!
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@samendacott, https://www.snoweye.com/?resort=at_stanton

Lots of lifts opening tomorrow, Friday 1st Dec. ... https://www.lechzuers.com/en
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Is anyone in St Anton at the moment - am flying in tomorrow for skiing Saturday and Sunday and wondering how conditions are looking after this latest storm!


i will be there tomorrow .. hopefully...
you could find in Instagram some videos from St. Anton
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stanton wrote:

Rendl normally doesnt open until a couple more weeks...


What do you mean with "a couple more weeks"?

We plan on heading to St. Anton on 16 December, would be nice to have Rendl open by then


By the looks of https://winter.intermaps.com/skiarlberg?lang=en it appears that Rendl is already open today!

Edit: might be an error in the map, because it doesn't seem like much is happening at Rendl when you look at webcams...
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there only a few slopes open. Because of the weather?
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50cm reported in the village overnight snowHead
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Houston We Have Problem Very Happy Very Happy

225cm on the Hill and still Dumping

We have an unprecidented dangerous situation...

Dont be surprised if Roads get closed tonight..
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@stanton, hardly unprecedented. Roads and railways have been closed before.

In one of more recent visits, we just got in. We arrived at lunchtime. Everything was locked down that night. Cannot remember how long it lasted, but several days, before the police allowed escorted convoys of cars and trucks to enter the village.
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How is the next week expected to be like?
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@ulmerhutte, @stanton, I think, means for this time of year. I see avi is at 4.
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Houston We Have Problem Very Happy Very Happy

225cm on the Hill and still Dumping

We have an unprecidented dangerous situation...

Dont be surprised if Roads get closed tonight..


It's like it was an omen I booked a January trip last night!
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@ulmerhutte, you might not be aware of it, but for us here in Europe, this is very unusual. Normally early December is still late autumn.
130 cm in Lech, and 50 cm in Munich, potential roadclosures in early December: quite unique!
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It’s not THAT unusual; happens every ~5 years or so. Nov/Dec 2019 (or 17 or 18; I forget!) was similar, but started earlier.
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@clarky999, not as much as this year; 130 cm (and counting) in Lech-village, 50 cm in Munich!
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@clarky999, yep nothing out of the ordinary yet, we were in St Jakob in Feb 1999 when they bunded snow across the road by the Shell station and the town was closed off for a week, nobody in or out. As we drove out once open we parked to take snow chains off and as we drove away the avalanche came down and across the main road where we’d been parked. Same day as the Galtür avalanche. Same again 2017 we were snowed in Lech for 3-4 days. Also think 2019 was a good one too, we were in Warth and Bregenzerwald was closed for in/out traffic for a few days, road down to Schröcken was a 3m high tunnel.
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@Markymark29, Oh come on! February is not the first weekend of December. That's the point here. Of course this would be quite 'normal' (for Arlberg) in February...
Never ever did I see pic's from our hotel in Lech with so much snow in the garden in early December. In 20 years!
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@Langerzug, I arrived in St Anton Nov 23 2008 to over a metre in the village, and I’ve had at least 4 years since then where I’ve been skitouring in/from St Anton, St Christoph or Alpe Rauz with similar amounts of snow.

It’s great, it doesn’t happen every year, but it does happen reasonably regularly.
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@Langerzug, no problem, it’s all good anyway whatever we’ve seen before this is a great start to the season.
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Not a surprise… ÖBB has issued travel advisories, warning of delays, closures, and bus replacement services. Likewise, Innsbruck airport is advising of restricted flight operations, though not complete closure.
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Markymark29 wrote:
@clarky999, yep nothing out of the ordinary yet, we were in St Jakob in Feb 1999 when they bunded snow across the road by the Shell station and the town was closed off for a week, nobody in or out. As we drove out once open we parked to take snow chains off and as we drove away the avalanche came down and across the main road where we’d been parked. Same day as the Galtür avalanche. Same again 2017 we were snowed in Lech for 3-4 days. Also think 2019 was a good one too, we were in Warth and Bregenzerwald was closed for in/out traffic for a few days, road down to Schröcken was a 3m high tunnel.


1999 - my first visit to St Anton and my first ever ski holiday. Just managed to get in with help from the Austrian army - as they hurled my luggage off the train and into a snow drift I did consider whether we should’ve booked Tenerife instead Very Happy
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March 13th 1988

I remember that day very well and so do many other people who were there

Wolfsgruben lawine

On 13 March 1988, a large dust avalanche brroke off from the catchment areas of the Wolfsgruben and Stockbach. Avalanches advances into the district of Nasserein in St. Anton am Arlberg. The number of victims is high: 7 people are killed and 23 injured. It is particularly tragic that 5 of the fatalities were inside the building that was completely destroyed by the avalanche.

Next to the main road (350 m long), a petrol station was also buried and filled with snow up to the pent roof. Road and rail were interrupted for 3 days. The avalanche pressure was measured at up to 1.8 t/m². The avalanche disaster in St. Anton was the trigger for the development of a "digital Staublawinenmodells"




IT took a total of 26 Years to build the 33km Avalanche Break Barriers (completed in October 2014)

https://www.meinbezirk.at/landeck/c-lokales/st-anton-lawinenverbauung-fertiggestellt_a1104139


All the Avalanches since (Arlberg) 1999 & Rendl during the Railway Construction have not been nearly as destructive as 1988.

Last season there was a very unusual large glide slide on Rendl North Face.. luckily no one injured but some were close by.
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These Avalanche Break Barriers can hold back quite a few metres of snow but the problem is that they are already 2 metres full and if the top level starts to fail the sheer weight could possibly compromise the barrier structures (think twin towers)

No buildings are allowed in the zones so its as safe as the modelling can predict .

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Folks its a perfect day on the Hill ...Its Dec 3 but the Slopes look like middle of February but without the crowds Very Happy
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Its overcast here and snow is again in the air..

Snowing again tomorrow !!

Ski Area is empty .. Im not sure why the Liff Company continue to open so many lifts this time of the year running empty most of the time .

They could just open a few access lifts & make the Lift passes much cheaper for the beginning of the season..

Only Ischgl can attract big numbers this tme of the year (yesterday 60-70% full) because its VolGas Party !!!

IMO It will be a lot less crowded this Holiday Season maybe even he whole season ...

Reason.. Every ski resort in Austria now has snow . With the Increased prices .(Lifts, Tourst Tax) folks will be saving money ..

Many People will opt for Cheaper areas with "heimat Gemütlichkeit" ...Traditional Food & ""Normal Austrian prices""..

Why pay €30 for a Schnitzel or €8 Beer in St Anton when you can get it a €15 Schintzel or a €3.50 beer in the smaller less well known ski area and served by a Local Austrian not someone imported who cannot speak German Smile

For the Dutch there is no need to travel all the way to Austria when you can just drive across the border to Germany,Sauerland (Winterberg) where they are already in full operation inc Apres Ski . Very Happy
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IMO It will be a lot less crowded this Holiday Season maybe even he whole season ...

Why pay €30 for a Schnitzel or €8 Beer in St Anton when you can get it a €15 Schintzel or a €3.50 beer in the smaller less well known ski area..


Problem is that St Anton accommodation prices for anything half decent is over £1500 per week. Compare that with similar standard hotels in Dolomites or Aosta resorts at £1000 and the Arlberg is significantly overpriced. I've got BA flights to Innsbruck the end of January that I am seriously thinking of changing to Milan or Turin that would "save" potentially £600-£800 on the overall holiday costs and still give me a great ski holiday.
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Markymark29 wrote:
@clarky999, yep nothing out of the ordinary yet, we were in St Jakob in Feb 1999 when they bunded snow across the road by the Shell station and the town was closed off for a week, nobody in or out. As we drove out once open we parked to take snow chains off and as we drove away the avalanche came down and across the main road where we’d been parked. Same day as the Galtür avalanche. Same again 2017 we were snowed in Lech for 3-4 days. Also think 2019 was a good one too, we were in Warth and Bregenzerwald was closed for in/out traffic for a few days, road down to Schröcken was a 3m high tunnel.


We were in St Anton at the same time as you in 1999. I remember it well, fortunately we were there for 2 weeks because our first week (last week in Feb), the lifts were closed for 3 days until they slowly started to open up. The following week was amazing with all the new snow though. The snow on my car roof was accumulating by about 1 foot every day while it was snowing. I've never seen that much snow in town since then.
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skimastaaah wrote:
stanton wrote:

IMO It will be a lot less crowded this Holiday Season maybe even he whole season ...

Why pay €30 for a Schnitzel or €8 Beer in St Anton when you can get it a €15 Schintzel or a €3.50 beer in the smaller less well known ski area..


Problem is that St Anton accommodation prices for anything half decent is over £1500 per week. Compare that with similar standard hotels in Dolomites or Aosta resorts at £1000 and the Arlberg is significantly overpriced. I've got BA flights to Innsbruck the end of January that I am seriously thinking of changing to Milan or Turin that would "save" potentially £600-£800 on the overall holiday costs and still give me a great ski holiday.


This is the dilemma I’m facing and that’s going during the low season in December! It does seem very expensive but snow coverage is the best I’ve seen In Austria in comparison to other countries. Still holding out for a last minute deal somewhere.
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@chubuking, Aosta valley is looking good. Cervinia/Valtournenche with plenty of lifts running, Courmayeur with plenty fresh snow, La Thuile similar.

Whilst St Anton/Arlberg looks super it is not alone in having a great start to the season. My main point is that it has become well overpriced. I'm inclined to leave the Arlberg to those with deeper pockets than myself. Madeye-Smiley
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@chubuking, @skimastaaah, I'm already seeing big discounts coming up in Lech, even for Christmas (should be even more for January).
I think a backlash is coming soon.
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Problem is that St Anton accommodation prices for anything half decent is over £1500 per week

@skimastaaah, Stay down the valley? Some great deals to be had if you go out a bit, also fast ski buses into town. We've booked an airbnb this year, not paying crazy prices. 8 mins on ski bus is no great drama.
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@Markymark29, I can stay in Zurs for the price of St Anton. I'm possibly going to delay a decision until the New year and have already checked out places like Klosterle and Pettnau, even looked at if a longer drive round to Warth is going to be worth it.
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@skimastaaah, Klösterle and Pettneu have better prices than Warth
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@Langerzug, Yes, Warth is very expensive, suggest he takes a look at Schroeken, or Steeg/ Holzgau in Lechtal.

@skimastaaah, Suggest Flirsch and Schnann, much better value than Pettneu. Klosterle OK but not great location for bussing in. Tbph Zurs is not somehere i'd think you'd get great value, its a kind of weird old-school drive-through place, food options limited etc, dead in summer and strange place in winter, you looked at Stubenbach?
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@Markymark29, totally agree, that's more or less my thoughts. The options are pretty limited even with a hire car and current prices are not enticing enough to jump in. Confused
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