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The All New 12/13 Weather Outlook Thread

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mheadbee, Looks like it could be bad news for the missus, both 00Z and 06Z GFS showing support for well below average temps from 11th -16th.
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Mheadbee sush you with that talk, some of us haven't had a powder trip yet!!! Tell you what, lets settle for cold and snowy, but we will all treat your other half to an extra fleece Happy

Steve Sparks, any hints re precipitation?
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SkiG, I'm no expert but looking good for some snow from next weds for the western alps, but higher slopes will benefit most. Following week some hint of precip, but too soon to tell...
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nozawaonsen,
Can you provide some in-sight into what we may have from 10th-11th March? ( Saalbach)............temps look they are falling off a cliff & lots off snow! Whats your take on it?
Thanks i nadvance
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Mitchell, Just spotted the same a little further east for Schladming


shows an almost 20 degree crash in temps. The forecast have been slowly improving from the too warm and wet to cooler and snowier. No doubt this will shift around again for the 10-11th event.

Also showing some snowfall on this GFS based forecast.
http://www.xcweather.co.uk/forecast/schladming

Enjoying glorious spring sun at the moment, not too warm, good overnight freezes, compacted powder in shade, piste in top condition.
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Note the various runs are not in agreement, could stay mild if you look at some of the runs....ie too far away at the moment....
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Either wrap up warm or pack some T shirts. Or both - it's spring!
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mheadbee, Looks like it could be bad news for the missus, both 00Z and 06Z GFS showing support for well below average temps from 11th -16th.



Good job I am not going until the 16th then Smile
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It is starting to look like there will be a colder spell from around 9 March for the following week. This coincides with what appears to be a reasonable (and consistent) dump of snow.

Are my eyes deceiving me, or does this look like fresh in PdS for my arrival (and 30th birthday) on 10 March?!
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a big storm currently churning from the south east atlantic, hammering the canaries and madeira is tracking north east predicted to dump heavy rainfall and hopefully snow for the alps.............
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mr_merc, you better not be teasing me!!
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@SkiG: It's hard to tell as I'm not the weather Don here, others are. However, from what the 06z seems to say and Meteociel's reading of Chatel, it looks like there is a cooling from 9 March and precipitation throughout next week. The question is just how low down the mountain the rain will turn to snow.

I think... Puzzled
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SkiG, mr_merc, still too far away to call, keep an eye on it at the end of the week..

Note the words "very uncertain" and "poor thereafter" in the usually reliable Chamonix Meteo http://chamonix-meteo.com/chamonix-mont-blanc/weather/forecast/morning/5_days_weather_forecast.php

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EXTENDED OUTLOOK UNTIL SATURDAY MARCH 09 2013
Thursday : changeable - cloudy with sunny spells - probably dry - mild. Friday : mainly cloudy - rain showers - milder than seasonal average. Saturday : new fœhn wind period likely. Long term outlook is very uncertain.
Forecast reliability : fairly good until Tuesday - poor thereafter.
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Thanks Kitenski.

I also read from this: http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&lon=6.82502&lat=46.2536&ville=Châtel
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(posted in morzine etc thread but something we should all know about, it is weather, sort of)

Right now is a good time to avoid breathing too deeply of that crisp mountain air as we have a serious pollution event in the valleys of the Chablais:

http://www.air-rhonealpes.fr/site/accueil/monaccueil/all/

A sustained temperature inversion coupled with weekend after weekend of nose-to-tail half-term traffic is presumably to blame...

It's a harsh reminder that as snow-tourists we sell our green souls to the eco-devil as soon as step on the plane and then re-mortgage it when we join the traffic-jam up to resort...
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with the way that the wigglies are looking at the moment, no real agreement between runs, when do you actually get into a reasonably accurate time frame? Puzzled
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I think the likelihood of a colder spell of weather from around 12 to 14 March is increasing. Six days out you would normally expect the pattern to start tightening.

Been some very pleasant and sunny weather over the last few days in the Alps. Though the warmer weather has caused problems with some quite substantial snow slides. Still very pleasant skiing weather and even more pleasant for enjoying the terraces...
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Thanks for the update nozawaonsen. How is your injury, will you be back skiing before the end of the seasion?
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GFS 00z looking quite pleasant.
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waynos, yes strong ensemble support this morning for colder weather from around 12 March. ECM also goes colder, but takes a couple more days to get there.
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So, Noza, I guess what three or four of us in this thread would like to know from the Oracle (aka Noza) is whether there is a reasonable chance of fresh and powder in PdS next week? Blush
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mr_merc, looks like a bit of fresh, but not tonnes. will be warm first with snow/sleet/rain then looks like the temps plummet and there's still a bit of precipitation around with the low temps which will being more snow showers. Could be nice accumulations at higher levels.
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@ Shoogly; I'm glad you concur. PdS has ranges from 1,500 to 2,400 so I am hoping we will be able to hunt out some powder during the week somewhere. If there isn't tonnes, then we may actually be able to see where we are going too!
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A cold plunge in a weeks time looks pretty much locked in at this point both on GFS and ECM. Too soon to have any confidence in snowfall at this stage.

Very interesting piece by Bruce Tremper incidentally on avalanche airbags.

http://utahavalanchecenter.org/blog-avalanche-airbag-effectiveness-something-closer-truth
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More snow perhaps for the UK? from http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/posts/Dont-pack-away-the-snow-boots-just-yet

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In fact it’s a little known fact that a white Easter is statistically more likely than a white Christmas.

So it doesn’t come as too much of a surprise that wintry weather looks set to return into next week, with cold air pushing across most parts of the UK from the Northeast.

This will lead to a risk of snow, not just over high ground but perhaps at some lower levels as well.

It’s still a way off, so timings for the onset of winter’s return vary depending on which computer model you look at – indeed the American forecast model is much earlier with the colder air, introducing it later in the weekend.
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Snow on it's way starting tomorrow in the west and through to Monday in the east. 15-25cms in total. Snow line starting at around 1600m, dropping as the weatger pushes east to 1300m.



A much bigger fall in temperatures with the start of next week (will really feel cold after the recent milder spell) and further snow to low levels (15cm+) looks likely Tuesday, Wednesday.


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Noza, thanks for this. The meteociel for chatel doesn't show what your graph shows. Do you really think over 10 cm is likely in PdS on monday?
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mr_merc, Meteociel is a French website with a huge range of forecasts from multiple models so I'm not too sure what your referring to? Looking at the chart above Portes de Soleil looks slightly marginal to me (certainly compared to further east or to the south), but could still see some.
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Hi. I use this http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&lon=6.82502&lat=46.2536&ville=Ch%E2tel

Ok, so fingers crossed the system moves further north then.
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Cham meteo suggesting snow early next week and for it to fall 'well below 1000m' on Tuesday but with low confidence at the mo.
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mr_merc wrote:
Noza, thanks for this. The meteociel for chatel doesn't show what your graph shows. Do you really think over 10 cm is likely in PdS on monday?


Bergfex http://www.bergfex.com/chatel/wetter/ is offering you snow 3cm Friday and 9cm Saturday for Chatel with the snow line dropping 1640 to 1270 so still slightly above the village but then with the snowline dropping well below chatel, more snow 4cm on tuesday and further snowfall wednesday(too far away for them to specify amounts) so it's looking good!
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Hi all. Thanks for the updates, they make me feel a little better tbf! Looks like the pistes should get a little freshening Smile
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Looking east some interesting charts on the Hakuba Mountain Life FB page showing cumulative snowfall in Hakuba in early March was on a par with 11/12, the strongest in the previous five seasons and snow depth (most likely peaked now) was the deepest in the last six seasons.
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mr_merc, you shouldn't be feeling unhappy in the first place. There's heaps of snow, pistes are in great condition and if you've been out in the last week plenty of warm sunshine. Off piste isn't deep powder, but plenty of great snow to be found if you are willing to go a bit further. In the coming week a bit of a top up and much colder (less good mind you for slipping on the shades and impressing the swooning multitudes on the sun deck with your tales of daring do...).
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'daring do'? Haha!

As you said earlier, I cannot change the conditions and if a bit of fresh comes down then it will make for a wonderful 30th birthday trip.
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nozawaonsen, How is this predicted cold spell going to effect the UK?
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Ricklovesthepowder, it's going to get alot colder, chance of some snow Sun/Monday in Yorkshire anyhow

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/21699739

7 March 2013 Last updated at 10:36 - After our brief taste of spring, winter will bite back as cold air from the east sends temperatures plummeting over the next few days.
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mr_merc wrote:
Hi all. Thanks for the updates, they make me feel a little better tbf! Looks like the pistes should get a little freshening Smile


I don't get this 'freshening up' business to be honest.

Unless it snows the day before you go, then the pisted snow is pisted snow whether it it is 10cm deep or 2m deep. Whether it is icy or slushy depends more on the weather conditions, sunshine, overnight and daily temps than anything else.

So if you don't go of piste, there is enough snow in the alps tll the end of the season. High up, eg Val Thorens, there is enough depth accumulated to see them through to their 1st week May close down, unless there is a huge heatwave - which may happen.

If you go off piste, which most recreational skiers don't much, then stuff gets tracked out within a couple of days anyway.

Key thing for me, once a base of snow has developed in november / december is keeping an eye on the temperatures.
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mr_merc, Don't you dare start complaining about flat light and poor vis next week!
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emwmarine, totally agree, and even if you do ski off piste and its not tracked out, this time of year the sun is so powerful and the temps so relatively warm, that its all gone off by the first afternoon anyway, at least in the lower resorts.
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