 Poster: A snowHead
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| Well I would put ski tourers in the minority of skiers, the average skier is only doing lift served downhill. The trick is not to sweat in the first place. I find vents more important than material. I actually have a gortex jacket (got a cheap deal) - I'm not against gortex or "technical clothing" it is good, but I would never pay that much for clothing. Plenty of cheap gear that's more than adequate for me and that includes touring. |
Well, as I said, to each their own. In my experience, quality gear is worth the money. The ‘cheap’ gear isn’t really because it wears out much faster so over time you actually pay more.
If you then factor in buying quality kit at the right, as in season end, time of year then it’s about half the usual price which makes it a no-brainier.
Having started out as an impecunious student with C&A gear I still find it amazing that, now, I can be warm and dry with minimal volume in incredibly harsh conditions and whilst working up a sweat.
[quote=“boarder2020”]The best skier and most of the lifties I know are currently wearing kinko gloves (https://www.amazon.com/Kinco-Pig-Skin-Glove-Gloves/dp/B01CFWIRIC?tag=amz07b-21) which they all seem to think are better than any ski gloves they've ever had. Of course no flashy name or goretex, but seem to do the job.[/quote]
Hmmm ... definitely not what I’ve seen. Most of Switzerland and Austria, which is where I mostly ski, seem to use Hestra which, again, whilst not cheap have a reputation for lasting.
[quote=“boarder2020”]Could probably put together an adequate whole ski outfit from decathlon for the price of an arcteryx jacket.[/quote]
Definitely, I agree, but it wouldn’t be anywhere near as good or last as long.
I think, fundamentally, if you work out the cost/ski-day that good quality (as opposed to very expensive fashion gear) gives the best cost metrics AND it works better. There’s another post on this thread about Stellar with their new Price Model. However, funnily enough, the piece prices are still very similar to what other tech brands charge.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Blackblade wrote: |
| There’s another post on this thread about Stellar with their new Price Model. However, funnily enough, the piece prices are still very similar to what other tech brands charge. |
Really?
Norrona Lofoten Pro Shell 749chf
Stellar pro shell 499chf
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| BobinCH wrote: |
| Blackblade wrote: |
| There’s another post on this thread about Stellar with their new Price Model. However, funnily enough, the piece prices are still very similar to what other tech brands charge. |
Really?
Norrona Lofoten Pro Shell 749chf
Stellar pro shell 499chf |
In the UK:
Stellar Guide Jacket ( SEQ-Z650-3L): £378 (equiv)
ME Tupliak (Pro Shell) or Havoc (C-Knit): £350
Alpkit Definition: £229
So there pricing model is making them cheaper than Arc'Teryx/Patagonia/Norrona but still at the same level as the next tier down (in price/not quality) whilst giving the buyer no option to try on/see the products in the flesh whilst also using materials people haven't heard off and not actually giving any details of and more expensive than online only (though they now have two shops.....) direct sale products with unbranded membranes.
They'd be bottom of the list out of the three above.
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if you do that, you can wear whatever you like, friend.
No-one argues fashion with a madman.
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You win.
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@BobinCH, Oi Bob ... who took the photo....
...and how’s the knee on drops like that?....
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| galpinos wrote: |
| BobinCH wrote: |
| Blackblade wrote: |
| There’s another post on this thread about Stellar with their new Price Model. However, funnily enough, the piece prices are still very similar to what other tech brands charge. |
Really?
Norrona Lofoten Pro Shell 749chf
Stellar pro shell 499chf |
In the UK:
Stellar Guide Jacket ( SEQ-Z650-3L): £378 (equiv)
ME Tupliak (Pro Shell) or Havoc (C-Knit): £350
Alpkit Definition: £229
So there pricing model is making them cheaper than Arc'Teryx/Patagonia/Norrona but still at the same level as the next tier down (in price/not quality) whilst giving the buyer no option to try on/see the products in the flesh whilst also using materials people haven't heard off and not actually giving any details of and more expensive than online only (though they now have two shops.....) direct sale products with unbranded membranes.
They'd be bottom of the list out of the three above. |
With Mountain Equipment I think the comparable jacket looks like the Changabang which is more expensive. And not heard of the Alpkit but looks like a climbing jacket without snow skirt etc so not sure comparable. I’ve got 2 mates with the guide shell and it’s a high quality bit of kit. They are both very impressed. Quality and design comparable to my Norrona kit which has been great. Check out the video by their mountain guide for some of the features. Their gear has aged well if only on first season. There’s quite a lot of technical info here if that’s your gig
https://www.stellarequipment.com/ch/m-stellar-shell-jacket-orange
And the guy who runs it knows his stuff having been a designer at Haglofs, Peak Perf, North Face, J LindBerg.
Its what I’ll be looking at next year when I can justify some new kit!
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| valais2 wrote: |
@BobinCH, Oi Bob ... who took the photo....
...and how’s the knee on drops like that?.... |
The mate I was skiing with took the photo as he told me « you wheeeel aveee to jeump zeeere Bob » It’s on the North West face of the infamous Bec des Rosses. Knee is fine on powder landings. Hard pack not so much!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| BobinCH wrote: |
| Blackblade wrote: |
| There’s another post on this thread about Stellar with their new Price Model. However, funnily enough, the piece prices are still very similar to what other tech brands charge. |
Really?
Norrona Lofoten Pro Shell 749chf
Stellar pro shell 499chf |
You’re quoting list - fair enough - but I never pay list.
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You know it makes sense.
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@BobinCH,
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you wheeeel aveee to jeump zeeere Bob
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 Where did you jump TO?! It looks bloody vertical.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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@BobinCH, wha'ever. Chapeau, anyway. And your gear is very fetching. 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@BobinCH, 
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Having followed this thread with some amusement I am now recieving Bognor 40% off offers on Facebook ... big brother is watching!
40% off is not enough to overcome looking like a Russian
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| BobinCH wrote: |
| galpinos wrote: |
| BobinCH wrote: |
| Blackblade wrote: |
| There’s another post on this thread about Stellar with their new Price Model. However, funnily enough, the piece prices are still very similar to what other tech brands charge. |
Really?
Norrona Lofoten Pro Shell 749chf
Stellar pro shell 499chf |
In the UK:
Stellar Guide Jacket ( SEQ-Z650-3L): £378 (equiv)
ME Tupliak (Pro Shell) or Havoc (C-Knit): £350
Alpkit Definition: £229
So there pricing model is making them cheaper than Arc'Teryx/Patagonia/Norrona but still at the same level as the next tier down (in price/not quality) whilst giving the buyer no option to try on/see the products in the flesh whilst also using materials people haven't heard off and not actually giving any details of and more expensive than online only (though they now have two shops.....) direct sale products with unbranded membranes.
They'd be bottom of the list out of the three above. |
With Mountain Equipment I think the comparable jacket looks like the Changabang which is more expensive. And not heard of the Alpkit but looks like a climbing jacket without snow skirt etc so not sure comparable. I’ve got 2 mates with the guide shell and it’s a high quality bit of kit. They are both very impressed. Quality and design comparable to my Norrona kit which has been great. Check out the video by their mountain guide for some of the features. Their gear has aged well if only on first season. There’s quite a lot of technical info here if that’s your gig
https://www.stellarequipment.com/ch/m-stellar-shell-jacket-orange
And the guy who runs it knows his stuff having been a designer at Haglofs, Peak Perf, North Face, J LindBerg.
Its what I’ll be looking at next year when I can justify some new kit! |
I like the look of the Stellar gear - I've have that on my list when my Marmot gear finally dies.
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| DavidYacht wrote: |
Having followed this thread with some amusement I am now recieving Bognor 40% off offers on Facebook ... big brother is watching!
40% off is not enough to overcome looking like a Russian |
Or it might have something to do with having a name ending in 'Yacht' perhaps ???? 
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There was a chap wearing head to toe Bogner here today. He looked like a tool, and everyone was laughing at him.
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| Harry Flashman wrote: |
| There was a chap wearing head to toe Bogner here today. He looked like a tool, and everyone was laughing at him. |
I assume you are not in Lech or Zürs. Nobody notices. Nobody cares.
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Sod’s law that the internet now thinks I’m a massive Bogner fan and is plastering every ad spot with their hideous offerings 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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In my £90 Nevica outfit, absaling into coulouir La Voute in La Grave
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A little further on.
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You know it makes sense.
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@tangowaggon, You wear it well 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| tangowaggon wrote: |
In my £90 Nevica outfit, absaling into coulouir La Voute in La Grave |
Do you have children ? I am assuming not since mine banned my bright green and orange combination 
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Poster: A snowHead
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I'm taking my youngest daughter to the family bash next month but I haven't skied with any of my children for 5 yrs.
My last £160 Decathlon ski outfit was almost as bright, lasted 20+weeks and is still usable, I just fancied a change. Most people I ski with are positive towards the bright colours I wear as I'm easy to follow & spot in the distance 
I run extremely hot & the light reflective colours are practical too as they reflect the heat of the sun.
It does mean that I have to behave myself though!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Isn't Bognor the wider skiing world's method for identifying and avoiding Russians?
CG
PS Does anyone make a onsie for men, cut more like a modern flying suit rather than a saggy grow-bag? Sad, but I'd go for one!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Pics didn’t work. I’ll try again later.
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Its what I’ll be looking at next year when I can justify some new kit!
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I have my beadies on it as well...
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| Charliegolf wrote: |
Isn't Bognor the wider skiing world's method for identifying and avoiding Russians?
CG
PS Does anyone make a onsie for men, cut more like a modern flying suit rather than a saggy grow-bag? Sad, but I'd go for one! |
Helly Hansen - look for the Ullr skisuit...
Saw one in a HH shop at Park City and i did a major double take... I work oil & gas, and it really reminds me of the offshore survival suit (without the rubber neck and wrist gaskets fortunately).
https://www.explore-mag.com/Return-of-the-One-Piece-Why-You-Need-Helly-Hansens-Ullr-Powder-Suit-in-Your-Life-Today
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I’ve found my new favourite. Reduced too!
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You're a traitor to bootiful British red white & blue Brexit if you don't snap it up immediately (or possibly France)
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Men shouldn't be wearing Bogner.
Strictly for milfs and alike.
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| Whitegold wrote: |
Men shouldn't be wearing Bogner.
Strictly for milfs and alike. |
Come on, admit you’ve got one...
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I was brought up not to laugh/judge people on what they are wearing.
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