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The All New 12/13 Weather Outlook Thread

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The disruption to the polar vortex even got a mention at the end of the BBC1 2230 bulletin last night. It would be nice if all that cold air met some moist air over the alps too!
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Steve Sparks, yes it would, especially around the 14th January!
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Sitting here in Altenmarkt listening to the rain outside, that GFS15 run looks really good even if it is FI! I've only had to scrape frost and snow off my car once in the past 2 weeks! I hope the Dr Who effect comes to pass. The weather forecasts are indicating at least another half metre for us this weekend.
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norris, what's "it"?
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the break down of the vortex - does it typically bring snow?
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Well clearly not if you look at the concurrent precipitation ensembles...duh. Although before the potential deep freeze sets in there is a nice precipitation spike on the 10th.
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Well "it" doesn't normally happen to this extent.

And since what follows the disruption of the polar vortex is hard to say with confidence, it's hard to know the outcome in terms of snow.

What is quite likely though is an increase in northern blocking which would send the jet further south, bringing colder air down with it. It would then depend on where and how the jet ended up. In general you might expect this sort of set up to favour the southern Alps.

If we were to end up with more high latitude blocking then you would expect the Atlantic influence to be diminished. So the massive Atalntic storms that bring very wet and often milder weather (but which can produce very heavy snowfall at altitude) would be less likely.


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Thanks for the information. Going to be interesting to see how it all pans out...
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the break down of the vortex - does it typically bring snow?


isn't there enough already?

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Well "it" doesn't normally happen to this extent.


Interesting to see in the picture at http://images.meteociel.fr/im/4119/gfsnh-0-288_pos8.png, the UK trapped in the last little bubble of warm air before Armageddon. Driving to work it was 11C this morning, aparently 14C in Aberdeen, thats warmer than it sometimes is in summer!!

Early on in the winter I watched Stewart Ramplings predictions at http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=winter-forecast-2012;sess= where he indicated the possibility of something cold and "interesting" at the end of January, looks like it may be on the way?
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Temps looking to drop in Val D around Wednesday. A fot of snow would be just about perfect to go with it to freshen things up a little.
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Snow in Austria later today.

1800z

http://www.meteocenter.eu/index.php?id=regions&region=CE&section=precip&forecast=Snow&time=36#model

Intensifying overnight in Tirol and Salzburgerland.

0600z

http://www.meteocenter.eu/index.php?id=regions&region=CE&section=precip&forecast=Snow&time=48#model

Backing west into Tirol.

0900z

http://www.meteocenter.eu/index.php?id=regions&region=CE&section=precip&forecast=Snow&time=51#model
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Cold is coming.
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when for ? and spcifically Tarentaise ??....accompanied by any now ?
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nozawaonsen, your the equivalent of a dick tease, your a snow tease!
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stefoy4me wrote:
when for ? and spcifically Tarentaise ??....accompanied by any now ?


At a guess getting colder from 9/1 and continuing for quite a while. Some snow possible 11/12 Jan but it's still a way off.
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Here's a nice little video of avalanche control work by the ski patrol in Alyeska. 190 inches of snow in the last 11 days has left some complex avalanche conditions...


http://youtube.com/v/KQOdLNOCmhk&feature=share
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First up a look at temperatures.

http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html

If you look at the second frame you can really see how the weather starts to cool down in the second week from the North East. It actually starts from around 10 January hitting the eastern Alps first. Currently looks well below average mid month.

Secondly precipitation.

http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.html

Look at the third frame to see how dry it is in the western and southern Alps. Wetter in Austria.

But cold weather on the way...



Classic shot by Alfred Eisenstaedt.
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nozawaonsen, cheers for the update. So it's looking like a cold and dry trip on the cards for me then. Hopefully some snow will fall but it's not looking like much!
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And in Haute Savoie 2nd February week? I know, no-one knows! But don't stop - keep up the good worK; I hope your recovery is on track.
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Ricklovesthepowder, you're not heading out till mid month are you? Cold I would be fairly confident about, at least for the start of your trip, but could yet see more snow. It's still a long way off.
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nozawaonsen, 15th I fly out to Geneva, so 10 days time. Love reading this thread, keep up the good work!
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Ricklovesthepowder, I am avid weather follower as the next man, but I've come to realise that nobody can accurately forecast mountain weather 100% accurately all the time! I had 2 weeks in Espace Killy where is snowed on forecast sunny days and vice versa!
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more worried about the forecast tonight than 2 weeks off. hacking it down with that liquid snow stuff, now where is the bloody snowline gonna go, up or down?

The Dachstein is report 32cm fresh in 24 hours, http://www.snowreporter.com/schneeberichte/oesterreich/steiermark/ramsaudachstein.html

should double that overnight.


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nozawaonsen,

http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.html

Am I reading this right - does this suggest precipitation in the Med week of the 12th? If so, maybe a bit more snow for the Dolomites which have been pretty dry for weeks now?
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waynos, going down overnight, though still above the town.

http://www.meteocenter.eu/index.php?id=regions&region=CE&section=temp&forecast=Temp850&time=48#model

kitenski, you are of course right, but I think you may have been paying too much attention to GFS short term.

ishay, not much, but time for that to change.
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nozawaonsen, it was gfs & the tignes and val disere websites that all got it wrong many times!
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Weatherchannel predicting 40-60% snow chance in Chamonix for 12th and 13th. Not sure where they get models from or how accurate
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patricksh, I would I imagine GFS as that is pretty much what it is currently showing.
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Still precipitating hard this morning, snowline about 1300m judging by webcams http://www.hauser-kaibling.at/de/wetter-schnee/webcams/.

Snow for the next few days according to local ski hill website http://www.hauser-kaibling.at/de/wetter-schnee/
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Sleet and slush down here in Altenmarkt. The A10 Tauernautobahn is closed in both directions either side of the Tauerntunnels to clear the snow from the road surfaces

The B305 Siegsdorf to Reit in Winkl and on to Lofer, Saalfelden and Zell am See is closed due to flooding as are several other roads in that area. Anyone hoping to avoid the vignette may have lucked out. According to the radio the snow level is at about 800m which explains why here in town the snow plough was out several times during the night. However it is very wet and heavy, more slush than real snow. The amount of fresh snow up at Zauchensee must be amazing!
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Heavy rain in Innsbruck, lets hope it's snowing high up too.
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Looks like snow at altitude across Tirol and Salzburgerland for next couple of days through to Monday. Snowline around 900-1000m.

Monday 00z

http://www.meteocenter.eu/index.php?id=regions&region=CE&section=precip&forecast=Snow&time=66#model

Much sunnier in the western Alps.

Looking like light snow on Friday in the northern Alps and more substantial snow on Saturday night, Sunday morning amongst much colder temperatures.

Here's 15 Jan on ECM. GFS was a bit colder.

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thats about perfect then for anyone heading out t start skiingnext Sunday!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh that will be me then.......................

well done Noza...loks like you have delivered again!!!!!!!!!!

how much snow we looking at for the Fi/Sat around the Tarentaise ??

Cheers
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stefoy4me, impossible to say. Hope that helps.
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How's it looking for English & Welsh skiing in the coming weeks ? The 10 day chart hints at snow ?
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The weather charts are starting to look good again. -12c looks lovely, just need for some fresh snow now!!! Toofy Grin
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So nozawaonsen, why when this current system that is dropping lots of precipitation coming from the north is it so warm? I normally associate northerly systems with cold. Up to half a metre of porridge at top of schladming, spring like in valley. Trees down from wind and heavy snow, the odd mud slide about.
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waynos, it's pulling in air from the north west which is currently rather mild.
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12z GFS op run now suggesting quite a bit of snow in the Northern Alps around 12/13 January to low levels.
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