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KNEE ANGULATION: A form of angulation in which the lower leg is tipped more into the turn than the upper leg. Generally used as a means of managing lateral balance (keeping or moving weight to the outside ski) while putting a ski on edge. It's accomplished by flexing the knee and rotating the leg toward the inside of the turn, while not turning the foot. As an angulation option, it provides the greatest range of balance management potential, but also creates a weak and more injury prone body position.
HIP ANGULATION: A form of angulation in which the legs are tipped more into the turn than the upper body. Generally used as a means of managing lateral balance (keeping or moving weight to the outside ski) while putting a ski on edge. It's accomplished by either tipping sideways at the waist, or facing the upper body toward the outside of the turn and flexing forward at the waist. Provides a safer and stronger body position for resisting turn forces than does knee anglulation.
EDGE ANGLE: The angle formed between the snow, and the base of a tipped ski. The larger the angle, the more the ski will bend, and the sharper the skier will turn.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Whoops,,, didn't look to see edge angle was already there till I posted. Looks the same, except I added a bit about turn implications.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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FastMan, Thanks, have updated.
Martin Bell, couldnt resist and added grass skiing, is it really a FIS event?
SZK, have put your "non" technical definitions in the Alternative glossary, any more good ones?
graham have added centrifugal....
Anyone fancy a go at Railing or Rotation?
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zzz.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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GrahamN, how about when one makes grand sweeping generalisations? 
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apex shouldn't that be the point of max centripetal force/centrifugal resistance?
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I want some "knee angulation" vs "hip angulation" examples...thanks!
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Addition to Mountain Guide, "are easily recognised by significant facial hair and the membership of the UIAGM"
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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New term, Park and Fly, an involuntary event that occurs when ones skis hit an immovable object causing a catapult (and probable somersault) of the rider forwards while the skis come to an immediate and possibly structurally catastrophic halt.
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Can we find some "Slow Dog Noodle" video please?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Have you noticed I missed my flight and am having to wait for the next one? Word to the wise DO NOT FLY EASYJET AMSTERDAM TO GENEVA.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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have tried to do railing and rotation, any comments
ROTATION - Rotation is a a twisting of the joints and is one of three fundamental elements employed by the skier to turn the skis. The other two elements being 'edging' and 'pressuring'. In foot rotation the feet and ankles are twisted into the turn with the skis staying relatively flat to the surface of the slope. A good example of turning using only rotation is the 'Braquage' drill.
Also used to describe the rotation of the skiers upper body, with over rotation generally being a bad habit with early stage skiers who attempt to steer the skis by turning their shoulders into the inside of the turn. See 'coutner' for a description of under rotation.
RAILING - An exercise where the skier tips both skis on edge and the turn is made by letting the skis sidecut dictate the turn radius. The desired turn should leave narrow railroad looking tracks in the snow with little or no skidding.
Also describes the bad trait of when a skier is trying to 'carve' a turn but is only using edging and not actively pressuring the skis.
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come on team, almost there....... have added some stuff on telemarking
anyone fancy a go at foot or waist steering....
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You know it makes sense.
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added a few more
STEM TURN- Similar to a snow plough turn, but different in that the plough shape gets narrower during the transition to a new turn and when entering the next turn the outside ski is brushed outwards. The next stage in this type of turn would be to get the skis fully parallel at the transition and make 'stem christies'.
STEM STEP TURN - A turn made by picking up and stepping out the inside ski off the surface of the snow to quickly form a stable plough shape. Is used primarily in difficult snow conditions such as breakable crust
STEM CHRISTY TURN - The term "Christy" derives from Christiana (now Oslo) where it was developed. The skier initiates a full or partial snowplough turn from a parallel traverse by "stemming" or, brushing the tail of the uphill and new-outside ski up and into the snowplough and completes the turn by retracting the opposite ski back down to become parallel once the turn has finished. Rather old fashioned way of skiing and was used more with straight skis lacking sidecut. The modern equivalent is the 'plough-parallel turn' where the skier doesnt brush out the heel, nor lift the inside ski.
PARALLEL TURN - A turn where both the skis are matched and parallel to each other for the duration of the turn, and both of the inside ski edges are engaged. Parallel turns where the skis are fully engaged and not skidding are known as being 'carved'
PLOUGH PARALLEL TURN - A turn that starts in a plough and as the turn finishes the inside ski is rotated to match the outside ski and form a parallel shape during the transition to the next turn.[/b]
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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skimottaret, golly, I had no idea there were such fine differences in stem and snowplough turns. 
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Poster: A snowHead
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i could be wrong with those definitions as i made them up myself after trying to come up with a definition of a stem step turn and watching some 'old school' teachers at the dry slope on tuesday.
Some might argue that a stem christy is the same as a plough parallel but I think there is a difference due mainly with doing turns with skinny straight skis or modern skis that have a big side cut. in plough parallel's you dont push out the heel to start the turn rather you have the ski on edge with some pressure and have less weight on the inside ski and rotating it while the edges arent engaged.
I am sure a lot of  's will say "stop being so anal a turn is a turn". But if you are asked to demonstrate a specific type of turn it is helpful to know what the differences are....
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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skimottaret, I wasn't implying there weren't any differences - your definitions are extremely clear, each in its own right. It does show that, as a teacher, you analyse movements very finely and, as a pupil, I don't analyse them nearly finely enough! 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hurtle, not suggesting you were. I was inviting debate on this as i could be talking total b*llocks.... I am a newly qualified, in-experienced part time teacher trying to work things out in my head and would be interested to hear the views of our long in the tooth experienced sages on these definitions.
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Actually, I've just thought of something else, in this connection. There's perhaps not a lot of point in including a definition of a maneouvre at all, if there's no actual use for it. That led me on to thinking that it would be great if each defintion included a bit on 'when should you think about using this manoeuvre?' or, as the case may be, 'this was handy to use in such and such circumstances, but is no longer necessary with modern skis' or words to that effect.
Actually, I now see that that sort of thing is in some of the definitions already. Sorry, I'm rambling again...
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Sorry to intrude, but what is "corn". I have seen the word used in the context of skis being able to "blast" through it. Is it the sugary, granulated, legbreaking stuff? Or are there pistes planted with maize as a form of slalom course?
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Hi, my you have all been working hard here - I'm really pleased to see the last 5 turn types added - I've always wondered what the differences were.
I do think the definitions of braquage and separation are particularly well done - it wasn't until these were posted that I truely understood what braquage meant although I kept seeing the odd reference to it.
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PsychoBabble, My favourite snow 
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Next to powder, the most fun there is.
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I have seen the word used in the context of skis being able to "blast" through it.
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Hehhehehehe. Hahahahha. 
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Is it the sugary, granulated, legbreaking stuff?
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No. No. And, No.
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Or are there pistes planted with maize as a form of slalom course? |
Corn on piste = UNPOSSIBLE. And that's the amaizeing beauty of it.
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skimottaret, perhaps you could elaborate on how the inside ski is moved during the latter phase of the Plough Parallel turn . Also, I'm not sure how one would do a linked series of plough parallels from your description - at the end of the first turn the skis are parallel so how do they get back into the plough shape for the next one if you don't move the inside ski in some way?
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how one would do a linked series of plough parallels
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And, seriously, why one would want to do so? Or is this bit of the glossary an elaborate wind-up? (Not, of course, that I am averse to elaborate wind-ups.)
I too am looking forward to learning what corn snow is. Is it what's called spring snow in Europe?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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how one would do a linked series of plough parallels
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And, seriously, why one would want to do so?
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Because otherwise they're stuck after the first one?
Have a look at some of the 'beginner' videos, I think you'll find that linked turns of this nature are the bulk of what's considered 'learning to parallel turn' without actually 'making parallel turns all the time'.
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Or is this bit of the glossary an elaborate wind-up?
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No. Yoda is asking sm where and how sm distinguishes plough parallel from stem christies.
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I too am looking forward to learning what corn snow is.
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Find a pitch that has plenty of moderate-moisture powder, has never, ever been groomed, and has gone through a series of melt and freeze cycles.
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Is it what's called spring snow in Europe? |
The categories are not congruent and so identity is not possible. 'Corn' is a subset of 'spring'.
Edited to stay on point.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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comprex, did you get out of bed the wrong side this morning, or what?
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skimottaret
Anticipation: What you feel in the 5 minutes prior to removing ski boots
What you feel on the last run of the day as you see the bar approaching
Banking: What a ski instructor does at the end of the week...
Converging: Many "anticipating" skiers heading to the same bar...
Counter: See Converging or Banking above
Cuff: How to deal with queue jumpers, normally paired with 'around the ear'
Stacking: When all of the other jargon doesn't work...
Wedge Turn: Common among ski instructors at the end of the week before they get to the 'Banking' stage as described above...An excess of cash in one pocket creates an imbalance, thus changeing the aerodynamics and physics of their glide and causing them to change direction... (To speed up or slow down?? oops, lets not go there)
Sorry couldn't resist, good thread though..!! Let it snow!
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You know it makes sense.
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To clear up a point above, the stem christy was very much a step/move of the tail of the ski outwards to create a snplw/wedge with the tips staying at a similar separation. In a plough parallel the axis of rotation is under the foot (as opposed to the tip of the ski for the Stem Christy) so to regain the wedge shape the tip of the ski moves in & the tail of the ski moves out. Similar, but very different...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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no no no it's all getting too complicated again...
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Poster: A snowHead
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offpisteskiing, very good. I'm impressed!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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offpisteskiing, how can you have a plough parallel?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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David Murdoch,
Easy, one word refers to one part of the turn and the other word refers to the other part of the turn...
veeeight, Plenty more where they came from...unfortunately my currently flu-ridden brain is not playing ball at the mo. 
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offpisteskiing, thanks for chipping in i will put your tough in cheek ones on the Alternative glossary of terms and will update the main one here next week. too busy skiing at the moment in tignes, absolutely belting it down right now!!!!!!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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little tiger, comprex, Ok so I now know what it isn't, any chance of a clue?
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comprex, Ooops, just read the rest of the thread
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PsychoBabble, I would answer but some folks find my writing style offends them... so I'll leave others to do so... I'm sure one of the guru self taught skier types will deign to answer you...
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little tiger, Look at the username, not easy to offend me (but don't take that as a challenge). I read comprexs' explanation but found it a bit technical. How do I recognise it when I see it? Any pics?
Is it what is referred to as "transformed" snow?
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PsychoBabble, http://www.avalanche.org/~uac/encyclopedia/cornsnow.htm
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To understand the difference between dry snow and wet snow, imagine a bunch of grapes. In this analogy, the grapes are the snow grains and the grape vines are the crystalline bonds between them. Now, imagine that when you wash the grapes, the grape vines dissolve, leaving you with nothing but free-floating grapes. In the snowpack, when water percolates through the snowpack it dissolves the bonds between crystals—the more saturated the snow, the more it dissolves the bonds, thus, dramatically decreasing the strength of the snow.
So, why doesn’t all wet snow instantly avalanche? Part of the reason comes from the bonding power of water itself. In the Lilliputian world of snow crystals, a tiny bead of water usually clings between the grains, which act like a glue because of the "surface tension" of water. Surface tension means that water tends to cling to itself, which is why rain comes down as discrete drops instead of falling as a fog. The surface tension of water is actually a fairly powerful glue that holds wet snow together.
But when the snow becomes saturated, all the surface tension between the grains instantly disappears because we’ve flooded the caverns with water—turning a snow cone into a margarita. Not only have the bonds disappeared but millions of tiny ice grains are now buoyant, free to slurp down the mountainside like thousands of concrete trucks dumping their load at once. That’s what makes wet slides especially tricky because snow can loose its strength very quickly. Very stable snow can turn into very unstable snow in a matter of an hour or even minutes.
Corn Snow becomes “ripe” when the bonds between the snow grains just start to melt, providing a velvety surface texture perfect for many types of riding. This usually occurs in the morning hours, but the exact timing is very aspect dependent. Seasoned corn harvesters know that predicting this timing is an art form honed through experience. If you’re too early, the frozen surface can rattle out your fillings. Worse is arriving too late, after too many bonds have melted and the corn snow has turned into deep, dangerous slush. The slope that may have been perfect an hour ago is now prime for wet snow avalanches. |
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PsychoBabble, recognise by feel..... wonderful creamy stuff.... like skiing on icecream
Like comprex said - you need to have places that have not been groomed.... and you have to get it at just the right time.... We make a habit of determining "itineraries" to take advantage of the slope aspects to harvest the corn...
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