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All the helmet stuff is nonsense, but I can confirm that Fuerzabruta is a pretty awesome piece of theatre; Comedy Goldsmith is right to promote it. Saw it in its original run at the Roundhouse 4/5 years ago. I recommend heartily and intend to go again.
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pam w, re Skating - We are in some pain this morning and a little bruised. It was a lot of fun and I am so very pleased that we engaged an excellent instructor for 2 hours to at least get the basics right. There were quite a few around us who were very clearly self taught...
No, I did not wear lycra!! Could be tempted by some not very tight stretchy lightweight trousers though! I can see us getting quite into it for days that are either insanely busy on the hill or rubbish weather.
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If I am reading people's views correctly, the general perception seems to be that there are increasing numbers of skiers who appear to be skiing beyond their individual level of control.
However, it may well be that these individuals are not aware that their skiing is any worse than anybody else - we have all seen the novice skier in the "calling Mars" tuck with both poles pointing skywards - and think that the way that they are getting down the slope is the same as everybody else.
Two suggestions, one not new:
1. Ski patrol giving warnings (one or two?) which are linked to the electronic lift pass
2. A video screen at the bottom of the main home run which has a delay on it so that when you get to the bottom you can "admire" yourself skiing down the final pitch - Theme Parks effectively do the same thing - which would at least give skiers some feed back on what they look like (I think that's a new idea?)
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mozwold, "What exactly would be the problem with enforced slow zones near village level? With offenders having their lift pass confiscated"
Exactly as is done in the U.S. and Canada? I think that's a perfectly reasonable and sensible idea.
Even though I agree that collisions are a very low risk, I tend to avoid the piste of, say, "Pierre a Ric" at "home time" as it's chock full of the mentioned blue run champions who think that skiing the Grands Montets (on piste) on their fat skis, testosterone and idiocy make them ski gods.
Mind you, I also find it somewhat frustrating to find folks struggling down the icy, narrow home runs from Brevent and Flegere who really clearly aren't having any fun at all, shouldn't be there and are somewhat getting in the way.
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i'm fairly sure that some would consider the manner in which I snowboard down some pistes to be reckless (i dont, but they you go). However i've never (touch wood) been involved in a collision, although everyone that ever gets close seems to fall into the catagory of people that really dont understand how to ski a piste courteously or simply doesnt care and thinks that because they are "down the hill" everyone "up the hill" will have to avoid them, while taking no responsibility for the own safety.
ESF instructors who wind groups from one side of the piste to the other seem to be one problem that installs in people minds that this is the way to get down a piste, it isnt. Leave a *ucking space at the side for others to pass. Do we need to draw a line down the edges of pistes and call them "danger zones"!?
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...and call them "danger zones"!?
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So when you feel the need for speed you'll always be in the Danger Zone... eddiethebus, You are Kenny Loggins and I claim my £5
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eddiethebus, "danger zones"
Liking that. Back in the day the sides of the pistes would become covered in loose snow and bumps leaving two nice safe channels to (responsibly, of course) pass people in.
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eddiethebus,
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However i've never (touch wood) been involved in a collision, although everyone that ever gets close seems to fall into the catagory of people that really dont understand how to ski a piste courteously or simply doesnt care and thinks that because they are "down the hill" everyone "up the hill" will have to avoid them, while taking no responsibility for the own safety
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In other words, it is never your fault, but everybody else.
From the FIS code of conduct:
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[Choice of Route
You must choose your route in such a way that, when coming from behind, you do not endanger others ahead.
Overtaking
Make sure that you leave enough room when overtaking others for any voluntary or involuntary movements that they may make. |
It looks like you are the one who does not "understand how to ski a piste courteously".
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eddiethebus, remind me not to ski anywhere near you. Read the FIS Rules re downhill skier. Yes they should take responsibility for their own safety but Rule 3. " A skier or boarder coming from behind must choose his route in such a way that he does not endanger skiers or boarders ahead."
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The answer to this problem is really quite simple:
1. The number of incidents do not have to be big or increasing for the issue to be real and to justify effort to reduce the risk. The risk of collisions particularly affects kids and frankly is not one that we should tolerate as singular events can be fatal (heavy fast object hitting slow light object). I do not care what the statistics are, I have 4 kids all of whom have been wiped out at one point or another by irresponsible slope users (as have I), in incidents that could easily have been prevented (just by following the rules).
2. The rules of skiing are very clear, the risk is considerably reduced when the FIS guidelines are followed.
3. Resorts spend very little to no effort enforcing the FIS guidelines, which is reprehensible
4. WE do little or nothing either as we; frequent resorts with poor piste planning and no patrolling, do not confront transgressors or support anyone who does, and are generally unwilling to be subject to regulation (i.e. how many would support a skiing licensing system similar to car driving?).
Frankly until we as a community are willing to do something about it, this will indeed remain a higher risk than it should be. I for one will continue to berate anyone who skis dangerously around my kids, and just put up with the abuse (and lack of support from fellow skiers) I get as a result.
BTW Comedy Goldsmith, to save you searching the database and judging my input based on when I joined, how often and how many posts I have made etc. I have lurked for a while, haven't said much, don't see how that is relevant.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Anybody think my idea re the video screen is useful?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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zikomo, good post
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eddiethebus,
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However i've never (touch wood) been involved in a collision, although everyone that ever gets close seems to fall into the catagory of people that really dont understand how to ski a piste courteously or simply doesnt care and thinks that because they are "down the hill" everyone "up the hill" will have to avoid them, while taking no responsibility for the own safety
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In other words, it is never your fault, but everybody else.
From the FIS code of conduct:
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[Choice of Route
You must choose your route in such a way that, when coming from behind, you do not endanger others ahead.
Overtaking
Make sure that you leave enough room when overtaking others for any voluntary or involuntary movements that they may make. |
It looks like you are the one who does not "understand how to ski a piste courteously". |
Could not agree more - it is a fact that the downhill skier is always right and you are a good example of why the risk of collisions is higher than it should be. It makes me very angry indeed, as a parent, to see this sort of attitude. I should also warn you that this is an increasingly litigious society and if you hit someone from uphill you will find you need very deep pockets indeed (especially if it is one of my kids).
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You know it makes sense.
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it is a fact that the downhill skier is always right
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Nope, for example not if they've set off without looking above. Rules 5 and 6 apply.
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
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it is a fact that the downhill skier is always right
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Nope, for example not if they've set off without looking above. Rules 5 and 6 apply. |
I agree (sort of). The fact is that ALL rules apply ALL the time. If someone moves off without checking, the uphill skier is still responsible as they must allow space for anyone downhill to make ANY voluntary or involuntary movement (it is not at all specified that this does not apply if the movement is setting off from a stationary position). It is also true that any skier must check it is safe to move off - it is at worst dangerous and at best discourteous to uphill skiers not to do so. That does not mean that it is not the fault of the uphill skier if there is a collision.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Freddie Paellahead wrote: |
| eddiethebus, remind me not to ski anywhere near you. Read the FIS Rules re downhill skier. Yes they should take responsibility for their own safety but Rule 3. " A skier or boarder coming from behind must choose his route in such a way that he does not endanger skiers or boarders ahead." |
yeah, but i've also managed to do probably getting on for 1000 days snowboarding and never had a collision. My point was to vocalise my frustration in others that ignore the fact that others are coming down the piste at greater speeds than themselves.
What you seem to have done is ignored everything in my post and just said that you dont want to be anywhere near me 
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People talk about being wiped out quite a lot on this forum. Hit & run also seems quite popular. Like zikomo I'm especially concerned about kids being skittled by something 3 times their size which is why I totally avoid the busy, big-named resorts. A lot of the answer comes down to choice of resort and choice of run. I cannot see the point of rocking up to resorts like Verbier, Val D'Ispear, St Anton etc and cajoling kids down busy home runs with fast moving traffic and worn snow. Far better to take them to a quiet unheard of place - I taught my son in Pettneu (just down the road from St Anton) and we had the whole place to ourselves (probably why it went bust a few years later) but, importantly, there was no danger and the snow hadn't been scraped off down to the ice. People ram themselves into the mega resorts at the busiest times and wonder why it can get a bit "near-missy" all the freakin' time. Take the kids somewhere quiet.
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| nigelg wrote: |
eddiethebus,
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However i've never (touch wood) been involved in a collision, although everyone that ever gets close seems to fall into the catagory of people that really dont understand how to ski a piste courteously or simply doesnt care and thinks that because they are "down the hill" everyone "up the hill" will have to avoid them, while taking no responsibility for the own safety
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In other words, it is never your fault, but everybody else.
From the FIS code of conduct:
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[Choice of Route
You must choose your route in such a way that, when coming from behind, you do not endanger others ahead.
Overtaking
Make sure that you leave enough room when overtaking others for any voluntary or involuntary movements that they may make. |
It looks like you are the one who does not "understand how to ski a piste courteously". |
Sorry, what? how do you jump the conclusion that i dont know how to ski a piste courteously?
Is it because i've stated i've come close? i doubt there a skiier alive who has never had to make a last minute course adjustments due to someone down piste making a un predicted course change.
that doesnt make me dangerous, un-courteous or any other alligation that you choose to throw at me.
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eddiethebus, you have this very wrong. You clearly admits that you board in a way that others think is dangerous which means by default even you have an idea that you are boarding in a way that endangers skiers or boarders ahead of you. Also spurious to say it is ok as you have not collided with anyone yet. Thats like the drunk driver claiming he is safe to drive as he has not killed anyone when he was drunk behind the wheel on previous occasions. Why would you not just accept your responsibilities and board in a way that respects the rules and minimises the risks you cause to others? I am sure you do so in every other aspect of your life...
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| eddiethebus wrote: |
My point was to vocalise my frustration in others that ignore the fact that others are coming down the piste at greater speeds than themselves.
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Yes but they don't have eyes in the backs of their heads while hopefully your eyes are at the front of yours.
You may recall that at the start of your 1000 days on the snow, your eyes were transfixed to the 5m of snow that was directly in front of you, and all your concentration was on remaining upright - and not on what was happening behind you.
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| zikomo wrote: |
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it is a fact that the downhill skier is always right
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Nope, for example not if they've set off without looking above. Rules 5 and 6 apply. |
I agree (sort of). The fact is that ALL rules apply ALL the time. If someone moves off without checking, the uphill skier is still responsible as they must allow space for anyone downhill to make ANY voluntary or involuntary movement (it is not at all specified that this does not apply if the movement is setting off from a stationary position). It is also true that any skier must check it is safe to move off - it is at worst dangerous and at best discourteous to uphill skiers not to do so. That does not mean that it is not the fault of the uphill skier if there is a collision. |
So, you are skiing down a piste. I suddenly pop out of the trees at speed just below you and join the piste. You run into me (because there was no way you could have anticipated what was going to happen and no time to take avoiding action). From what you say above, being the uphill skier, that would be your fault. But, clearly, it isn't.
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just because i've said that I on occasion may ride in a way other think to be reckless doesnt mean that is in fact the case. I'm fairly sure that i've passed a number of learners at speed in a totally controlled and safe manner but the very fact that i'm going at speeds they consider to be "crazy" (they are learners after all) they would also consider me to be "reckless".
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FIS Rule 11 - Boarders are always in the wrong.
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| FIS Rule 11 - Boarders are always in the wrong. |
LMFAO (but in a way that completely agrees with you!)
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as a snowboarder I wouldnt agree that were always wrong, but I would say that there is a far greater percentage of users within snowboarding ranks that ride outside of there own abilities compared to skiiers.
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| eddiethebus wrote: |
i'm fairly sure that some would consider the manner in which I snowboard down some pistes to be reckless (i dont, but they you go). However i've never (touch wood) been involved in a collision, although everyone that ever gets close seems to fall into the catagory of people that really dont understand how to ski a piste courteously or simply doesnt care and thinks that because they are "down the hill" everyone "up the hill" will have to avoid them, while taking no responsibility for the own safety.
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This forum stops me using the words I'd like to use in response to that statement.
I've been hit from behind while skiing at an average speed, using average turn radius and generally minding own business skiing down the hill the same as 90% of other users on that piste.
Now please tell me how I caused that by lack of courtesy or lack of care.
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I had a Telemark lesson the other week, and spent a couple of days in total on Telemark skis. I don't expect a round of applause by the way. What struck me was that I had returned to a pre-numpty stage of being a beginner and being sort-of in control. It was a bit of an eye opener as I was witness to real crapola skiing. Prime example: blue run from Arpette retaurant to Arc 1600. It's quite a wide path. Me doing graceful Telemark turns reasonably fluidly but at beginner speed. All sorts of nutters typical of the type referred to in that Telegraph article as blue run world champions. They were skiing extremely close and dense for the speed. One Frogette yelled "Attention!" as she just squeezed between me and the mountain at some speed. Maybe, 20cms from a a few broken ribs for me. I yelled back "Attention yourself!" Not the most productive bit of abuse I'll admit, but the wife was nearby. I was more irritated by it than anything else. However, if I was a real first-time-on-snow beginner and that happened it could have freaked me out and caused all sorts of mayhem.
I was very surprised at the poor standard - and indeed the recklessness - of the skiing on a blue resort run clearly with beginners about. I hadn't been aware of it before. Not sure what this adds to the debate, but there you go.
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You know it makes sense.
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
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it is a fact that the downhill skier is always right
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Nope, for example not if they've set off without looking above. Rules 5 and 6 apply. |
I agree (sort of). The fact is that ALL rules apply ALL the time. If someone moves off without checking, the uphill skier is still responsible as they must allow space for anyone downhill to make ANY voluntary or involuntary movement (it is not at all specified that this does not apply if the movement is setting off from a stationary position). It is also true that any skier must check it is safe to move off - it is at worst dangerous and at best discourteous to uphill skiers not to do so. That does not mean that it is not the fault of the uphill skier if there is a collision. |
So, you are skiing down a piste. I suddenly pop out of the trees at speed just below you and join the piste. You run into me (because there was no way you could have anticipated what was going to happen and no time to take avoiding action). From what you say above, being the uphill skier, that would be your fault. But, clearly, it isn't. |
Exactly that happened to me the other week. A young girl shot out of the rocks/trees onto a narrow cat track that I was skiing, virtually on my own until she appeared. I couldn't stop or turn in time, but fortunately I could just pick her up and ski along with her for a while until is was safe to let her go again. I was the uphill skier, but in no way do I feel responsible for our coming together.
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i'm fairly sure that some would consider the manner in which I snowboard down some pistes to be reckless (i dont, but they you go). However i've never (touch wood) been involved in a collision, although everyone that ever gets close seems to fall into the catagory of people that really dont understand how to ski a piste courteously or simply doesnt care and thinks that because they are "down the hill" everyone "up the hill" will have to avoid them, while taking no responsibility for the own safety.
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This forum stops me using the words I'd like to use in response to that statement.
I've been hit from behind while skiing at an average speed, using average turn radius and generally minding own business skiing down the hill the same as 90% of other users on that piste.
Now please tell me how I caused that by lack of courtesy or lack of care. |
from what you've said you didnt cause the accident, you were hit by an idiot that was out of control
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Poster: A snowHead
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eddiethebus, Please read Rule 4. There is no right to ski/board faster than others, neither is there a right to overtake. You MAY overtake (the use of the word MAY is deliberate) so long as you take very specific precautions. All slope users should be courteous to all other slope users, but no downhill skier ever has any responsibility to make room for you, stay out of your way, allow you to overtake, or otherwise adjust their skiing to accommodate your speed. This i Believe is the problem, where somehow the perception has been created that there is some RIGHT to overtake/ski faster than others. Please can you clarify why you think "…that because they are 'down the hill' everyone 'up the hill' will have to avoid them" is not actually correct skiing etiquette and follows the well defined FIS guidelines? Where does your alternative view come from? I repeat that all should be courteous yo all at all times, but you do not seem to understand the rules at all.
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| musher wrote: |
| Bode Swiller wrote: |
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it is a fact that the downhill skier is always right
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Nope, for example not if they've set off without looking above. Rules 5 and 6 apply. |
I agree (sort of). The fact is that ALL rules apply ALL the time. If someone moves off without checking, the uphill skier is still responsible as they must allow space for anyone downhill to make ANY voluntary or involuntary movement (it is not at all specified that this does not apply if the movement is setting off from a stationary position). It is also true that any skier must check it is safe to move off - it is at worst dangerous and at best discourteous to uphill skiers not to do so. That does not mean that it is not the fault of the uphill skier if there is a collision. |
So, you are skiing down a piste. I suddenly pop out of the trees at speed just below you and join the piste. You run into me (because there was no way you could have anticipated what was going to happen and no time to take avoiding action). From what you say above, being the uphill skier, that would be your fault. But, clearly, it isn't. |
Exactly that happened to me the other week. A young girl shot out of the rocks/trees onto a narrow cat track that I was skiing, virtually on my own until she appeared. I couldn't stop or turn in time, but fortunately I could just pick her up and ski along with her for a while until is was safe to let her go again. I was the uphill skier, but in no way do I feel responsible for our coming together. |
Which is why I agree (sort of). That being said, it is actually quite hard to create a circumstance where a skier joining from the side is completely unavoidable. Most of the time this happens, the joining skier is going very fast and if there is a collision then it is the joining skier who skis into (from the side) the piste skier. That being said, anyone who joins a piste unsighted is at fault. And it does occasionally happen as you say.
This is not the same thing as colliding with someone who is downhill of you and already on the piste, there is never an excuse for that, and I think this is a very useful clarification. Thanks!
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Well I'm amazed that anyone can ski 30 weeks without seeing a collision. I SEE one about every 3 weeks of skiing.
Like most people, I'm very intolerant of being crashed into. I think it is similar to why people seem much more worried about train crashes than car crashes (despite the former being much less likely) - we like the idea (illusion?) that we are in control of the risks and on a train we have no control. Likewise, the risk of doing ourselves an injury in a fall may be bigger than the risk of being crashed into but we have no control of that skier behind us...
Depressingly, I've been INVOLVED in two collisions in my last two weeks of skiing. One was on Friday. Thankfully no injuries were involved in either.
Friday - skiing on a blue at the end of the day, fairly busy but not ridiculous. I saw my friends' 7 year old fall about 100m ahead. I turned, not sharply, to head in his direction to see if he needed help and partly to screen him from skiers above. Soon after I turned, a snowborder, who I had never seen, hit the back of my left binding from behind and we both went down. I was quickly on my feet and roaring at him - clearly angry but no obscenities just pointing out that he was uphill and completely responsible. He looked a bit pale and apologised. Friends above me reported that he just turned into me. The day before, a teenager on skis had had to ski on one ski to avoid my friends' daughter when she unexpectedly changed directions and he was too close behind her - could have EASILY been a collision
Last season, quiet, wide blue run in good visibility and good snow. This one was substantially my fault (to my shame) and could have been nasty. I was skiing fast and carving linked turns using the right half of the piste. The piste was empty below me exept for one skier about 100m below me quite near the left side of the piste who was traversing across the piste towards my side very slowly. I thought I had plenty of room to continue my course. I carved away from him and he went into my blind spot. I later turned back towards his side and just after I changed edges his ski tip hit my new inside ski just in front of my boot. I was travelling and slid a fair way down the piste. Had to walk up to collect my gear and check if he was OK. No damage done although his ski cut through the topsheet of my ski. I could argue that given that he hit me and was probably the uphill skier at the point of impact that it was his fault. I feel the truth is that although he could and should have been able to take evasive action, I did not give him enough room given my speed (or was skiing too fast given the amount of room I was giving him).
Obviously, people lose control when skiing. We accept that. What we should not have to accept is that people CHOOSE to ski too fast or too close for the conditions and their ability. You are required to allow for the possibility that you might lose control when you pick your course and speed. You must also allow for the possible errors of skiers below you (e.g.. they fall, you need to be able to avoid them). I'm not preaching here - I've just admitted my own misjudgement.
So IMO, we should not just accept that collisions are part of the sport. They can and should be avoided.
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| Please can you clarify why you think "…that because they are 'down the hill' everyone 'up the hill' will have to avoid them" is not actually correct skiing etiquette and follows the well defined FIS guidelines? . |
i'd love to respond but i dont really understand the question, sorry.
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Well as everyone here seems to be an above average skier and never caused any accidents - I'll say I've CAUSED a couple over the years.
Last year I took out a couple of people - I was skiing happily and in control, then caught an edge on rock/my own feet/something and fell and slide into them. Now I'm sure all the expert skiers will now tell me I wasn't in control, but believe it or not sometimes accidents happen.
Now that's not to say that there aren't people skiing beyond their limits who are accidents waiting to happen, but often people skiing within their abilities will make a mistake. Anyone who claims never to fall or never to make any mistake is deluded.
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| eddiethebus wrote: |
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| Please can you clarify why you think "…that because they are 'down the hill' everyone 'up the hill' will have to avoid them" is not actually correct skiing etiquette and follows the well defined FIS guidelines? . |
i'd love to respond but i dont really understand the question, sorry. |
Sorry for not being clear. What I mean is: you seem to suggest that it is not correct that all uphill skiers have to avoid all downhill skiers. And further, that it is wrong for anyone to believe that the simple fact they are the the downhill skier (i.e. below others coming down the piste) means that those uphill of them "will have the avoid them". Is this not what you mean?
What I am saying is it is in fact the case that the uphill skier must always avoid anyone "down the hill", this is explicitly stated in the rules. All I was asking is why you think differently, i.e on what basis do you think those "up the hill" (and going faster/overtaking) have any right of way and are NOT responsible for avoiding those "down the hill". Is this clearer?
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Well as everyone here seems to be an above average skier and never caused any accidents - I'll say I've CAUSED a couple over the years.
Last year I took out a couple of people - I was skiing happily and in control, then caught an edge on rock/my own feet/something and fell and slide into them. Now I'm sure all the expert skiers will now tell me I wasn't in control, but believe it or not sometimes accidents happen.
Now that's not to say that there aren't people skiing beyond their limits who are accidents waiting to happen, but often people skiing within their abilities will make a mistake. Anyone who claims never to fall or never to make any mistake is deluded. |
I agree that accidents happen, but I would also say that even thought it was an accident (and sounds like little you could do) you would still be at fault and liable. Much the same as the brakes on your car fail and you smash into the back on another car - you would be held to be at fault and your insurance would take the hit, even though not much you could have done to avoid it. What we hope is that when accidents do happen that none is seriously hurt, by following the rules (in control, suitable speed, good course selection, allowing skiers below us sufficient room) we can minimise the risk.
Your circumstance is different to someone boarding much faster that other slope users, believing they have right of way, who collide with skiers below them on the piste when something goes wrong. Or worse, clearly gets close to collisions on occasion from doing so but carries on with the behaviour because none has been hurt so far. Madness if you ask me.
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Last year I took out a couple of people - I was skiing happily and in control, then caught an edge on rock/my own feet/something and fell and slide into them. Now I'm sure all the expert skiers will now tell me I wasn't in control, but believe it or not sometimes accidents happen
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Boris, I'd say that in this situation you were too close to the other skiers (or they were too close to you if they were uphill). I think everyone accepts that catching an edge is part of skiing. What's at issue is setting your course and speed so that catching an edge won't hurt anyone else. And you'll see from my post above that I've admitted to making a mistake too ...
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I saw a small kid ski down a steep hill where another slope was due to join and straight across (or even slightly an an uphill angle) a crowded slope without even looking. I turned to avoid him and then looked to see if he got across safely. Quite a lot of people had to take avoiding action.
On the other hand beginners make very unpredictable turns, it's part of the learning process.
The only proper crash I've had is when skiing with friends and two of us are skiing down a piste almost side by side. If as you pass the other person suddenly moves from one side of the piste to the other you may both be out of sight of each other. It's a hard one to call as the uphill skier may only be a couple of feet behind and can see no one ahead. I always give a lifesaver glance in a similar manner to when on a motorbike into my blind spot before moving across a piste.
Last edited by Ski the Net with snowHeads  on Mon 6-01-14 16:04; edited 1 time in total
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