A few years ago, some people were rightly alerting us all to the risky behaviour of Nico Schirmer. They weren't wrong. But he seems to have changed A LOT. I regard this as a very well-gorunded, excellent video.
I make my living by understanding risk, assessing consequences, and making decisions in challenging situations. That's exactly what good lawyers do. I recognise myself in CMS Kluge's way of thinking, and that's what attracted me to the firm," says Schirmer.
I make my living by understanding risk, assessing consequences, and making decisions in challenging situations. That's exactly what good lawyers do. I recognise myself in CMS Kluge's way of thinking, and that's what attracted me to the firm," says Schirmer.
Schirmer is a pretty big celeb in Norway
Used to date Sigrid (big Norwegian pop star) and has lots of celebrity endorsements.
No doubt a very talented skier. I like his films. Despite being older / wiser he still seems to be oblivious / blinded to the true risk he is taking. Fwiw: Jakob Wester (who features in film linked above) was avalanched this spring and suffered serious injury.
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@Haggis_Trap, yes, but I wouldn’t trust a law firm that had the same attitude to risk as him
@Haggis_Trap, yes, but I wouldn’t trust a law firm that had the same attitude to risk as him
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@Haggis_Trap, ...yes and this follows accidents in 2015, 2019 all of which were injury-inducing and serious. Shows the general risk of exposure through freeskiing? I still am very interested in the minute-by-minute and overall risk approach of Cody Townsend and Bjarne Salen, who have a highly overt strategy.
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I make my living by understanding risk, assessing consequences, and making decisions in challenging situations. That's exactly what good lawyers do. I recognise myself in CMS Kluge's way of thinking, and that's what attracted me to the firm," says Schirmer.
Mmm, well it depends precisely what that means, but I think almost no one employs lawyers to take risks.
It's more that they translate from lawyer-speak to and from plain English, and present that as "advice" so people can decide which risks to take.
The idea that lawyers somehow "make decisions" on behalf of their clients seems a bit strange. What kind of lawyers are they?
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valais2 wrote:
@Haggis_Trap, ...yes and this follows accidents in 2015, 2019 all of which were injury-inducing and serious. Shows the general risk of exposure through freeskiing? I still am very interested in the minute-by-minute and overall risk approach of Cody Townsend and Bjarne Salen, who have a highly overt strategy.
The fifty project does a very good job at articulating the decision making / planning and risk assessment involved.
Though ultimately there is always an inherent risk involved with skiing such terrain.
Particularly in fresh snow. To my eye Cody Townsend / Bjarne Salen appear acutely aware of this.
What is a complete fallacy is to pretend that such style of extreme freeride skiing can be done entirely safely.
Schrimer for me still tries to sell this myth.
Far too many talented & very knowledgeable / experienced skiers have passed away over the years to prove that point!
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@Haggis_Trap, ...interesting...very wise observations. I had a bad afternoon recently with the Grom, since I am on the cautious end of the spectrum and the Grom pushes things in an way which makes me uncomfortable. Meanwhile, my caution might be instrumental in him insisting on doing things which by himself he might baulk at. It all came to a head during a big storm, and he wanted to ride some perfectly simple gorge runs solo, while I said 'if you screw up you will be covered in minutes as will your tracks'. It got a bit fraught. Interestingly, even though left to go, he did not drop in. I had already descended, and he arrived having NOT done the route. We made up in the following hours, and he - with great maturity for a 20 year old - carefully analysed why we had disagreed. Later that week he did a solo early morning tour - 5am start and 10am finish - 1.4km vert through forest and then above treeline - having discussed route and ensuring phones had data and tracking on and he was fully loaded with beacon etc. It's such an interesting area of psychology and behaviour.
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Haggis_Trap wrote:
valais2 wrote:
@Haggis_Trap, ...yes and this follows accidents in 2015, 2019 all of which were injury-inducing and serious. Shows the general risk of exposure through freeskiing? I still am very interested in the minute-by-minute and overall risk approach of Cody Townsend and Bjarne Salen, who have a highly overt strategy.
The fifty project does a very good job at articulating the decision making / planning and risk assessment involved.
Though ultimately there is always an inherent risk involved with skiing such terrain.
Particularly in fresh snow. To my eye Cody Townsend / Bjarne Salen appear acutely aware of this.
What is a complete fallacy is to pretend that such style of extreme freeride skiing can be done entirely safely.
Schrimer for me still tries to sell this myth.
Far too many talented & very knowledgeable / experienced skiers have passed away over the years to prove that point!
Salen of course has experienced huge loss in close friends Fransson and Rosenbarger so probably understands the risk game more than most.
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So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much
Layne wrote:
The lack of fear of a young person is to be both cherished and feared.
It's funny how young people (with more to lose) are less aware of their finite mortality
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
I really like Schirmer, but we have seen it before where he has turned over a new leaf and become more risk averse and serious about avalanche danger. Only for him to go back to the same kind of stuff he was doing before.
I do wonder if some of it is just curated for camera, and behind the scenes there's more sensible decision making going on. Certainly creates a risk and suspense in his videos.
I do find it kind of annoying/hypocritical when the likes of him and Jeremy Jones go on above the environment. Not sure how Schirmer is justifying his Alaska trip!
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What is a complete fallacy is to pretend that such style of extreme freeride skiing can be done entirely safely.
True, it will never be 100% safe. The question becomes how safe can you make it, and if that meets your personal risk tolerance. Look at someone like Cody - with tremendous skill, good knowledge, and (imo) sensible risk tolerance - I would suggest the risk is quite low.
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Far too many talented & very knowledgeable / experienced skiers have passed away over the years to prove that point!
Talent doesn't necessarily mean knowledge.
Knowledgeable people can understand the risks and still ski the line if their risk aversion is low enough. Also knowledgeable people can still make bad decisions sometimes. So the fact that some knowledgeable people die doesn't prove you can't eliminate a lot of risk imo. Actually some or the lowest risk people are those with less knowledge that understand there's too much they don't know so only make ultra conservative decisions.
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Haggis_Trap wrote:
Layne wrote:
The lack of fear of a young person is to be both cherished and feared.
It's funny how young people (with more to lose) are less aware of their finite mortality
Do they really (with more to lose)?
Sure, they have more years ahead of them. But with no dependent, no lifetime investment prior, it seems to me they don’t have that much to lose…
For me, the most risk tolerant years were in my middle ages. Not just physical risk, but financial and career too. Realizing I have no offsprings that depends on me, I felt I could take whatever risk I feel like!
Now, I’m living my “golden years”, enjoying whatever I’ve worked for & invested for decades, I have a whole lot more to lose. My risk tolerance decreased substantially during my “harvesting period” than during my “planting” & “growing” period.
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I think doing crazy stuff is what his youtube popularity were all about. Now he probably realised more about risks but show must go on.
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