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Who has suggested the Arlbergstrasse would be closed (very unlikely as it is a "Federal" road )? Stanton's usual cryptic comments only suggest an extension of the current restrictions on Dorfstrasse with a vague plan to eventually have taxi drop off points at the bus terminals and to press for a more regular train service. Hardly a revolution!
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Yes, the original comments were vague. When it's says cars will be off limits, it made me think they were going to make it like Zermatt.
If this only affects Dorfstrasse, then it's a positive thing, it will make the town a nicer place to walk in and almost all the hotel car parks will be accessible via other routes just like today.
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| Langerzug wrote: |
What's new here? St.Anton Dorfstrasse is pedestrian at least since 1992!
And the Arlbergstrasse can never be pedestrian! |
You can actually drive all the way along Dorfstrasse currently. Those metal bollards drop down if you press the small button on the box at the side of the road. However, it's a bit pointless driving on dorfstrasse unless you need to get to a specific point on it. The road is always full of pedestrians so its far quicker to take the longer way around the outside instead if you are leaving town.
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This is all to be realised (wishlist) in phases over a number of years..
@JohnS4, Zermatt & Serfaus have been mentioned , Traffic Free is basically the end game .
Residents & Guest Parking (guest only use cars two times, to arrive & depart) will not be affected ..They know exactly how many Private & Guest Car Parking spaces are available but arriving by Train or Bus with improved final leg access to accommodation is the direction they want to go..
Less CEV'S (vehicles) in the Mountains is always better ...there are to many , fresh air is healthier !!!!
Arlbergstrasse (B197) not impacted it is a Federal Highway.
New Car Parking planned with maybe a Large multi Story Car Park in Arlberg Ost (Nasserein) and over the Rosana by the Central Warming BioMass Plant.. Maybe a new Underground Car Park Directly in Front of the Railway Station.
The 1 hour Train Connections has been pushed for a number of years by the Town but ÖBB have not obliged for some reasons ..
Alterarlbergstrasse will be closed off (traffic permission bolards)
The area by Cafe Sailor will be completely remodelled , Roundabout removed ..(no traffic) to allow free flowing pedestrian flow between Galzigbahn & Rendlebahn
New Footbridge direct from Railway Station into Dorfstrasse /Rendlbahn
A road Tunnel (possibly) from Highway to the Sportscentre (this is curently the most used traffic route)
A service (Wishlist) Tunnel under the old Railway route from Nasserein to Arlberg West.
Logistics hub in Nasserein with forward delivery by EV waggons
Griesplatz ( Murrmel, Spar ) to the Church .. Pedestrianised
Pick & Ups and drops off's to be moved out away from Centre..
New Bus route Turnaround at Gastig
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All this information is publicly available
There is far more. info in the sources to do traffic & Lift variants into the Verwall , Nasserien area...
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Car free..... back to how they used to deliver the guests from the station.... Look carefully you'll see it's Hotel Post carriage, look even more carefully and you'll see a famous american actress, Claudette Colbert, who used stayed in St Anton.
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Any idea when the ischgl opening party acts get announced?
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@hsdee, Do you really need a sledge to get to the Post from the old railway station?
@stanton, Much of this will never happen, tunnels under the village? but much is a good idea and fairly easy to do though I hope no multi storey car parks at Nasserein
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Looks like St Anton is going the same way as Vail. $60 a day to park a car, $200 a day lift tickets, $1000 for a cheap bottle of champoo! 
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@munich_irish, Well that picture i think is a jolly round the village, but it did used to be horse drawn sledges from langen station to zurs way back when, it's shown on some of the old film footage.
The reason for the location of the original station was to be next to the Hotel Post, which just happened to be owned by the mayor at this time who arranged it to be just so.
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@TYPUCT, There is currently no free parking, nor hardly any overnight public parking in the centre of the village. Much easier to use the train. The Arlberg does have the most expensive lift passes in Austria (will be €80 plus for a day ticket next season) but it does offer discounts unlike most other areas. I can get a pass cheaper in the Arlberg than any of the other large Austrian areas. If you want to pay silly money for sparkling wine its not difficult to find places to indulge your habit but no problem to get reasonably priced beer (cheaper than London!) on Dorfstrasse. Accommodation costs are becoming a bit difficult though.
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@stanton is creating click-bait again. Hardly any news here. Comparing St.Anton with Zermatt or Serfaus: nonsense. He's suffering from komkommertijd.
(komkommertijd=Dutch for cucumber season=silly season)
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Are there any new bars expected this year, or changes to restaurants etc?
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You know it makes sense.
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@hsdee, I just finished reading "Crossed Skis, An Alpine Mystery" written by Carol Carnac in 1952. It takes place mostly in Lech but also in Zurs and St. Anton. It was reprinted in 2020 as part of the British Library Crime Classics. Not only is it an engaging mystery but it is quite the window to the early 1950s and skiing in the Arlberg (yes, there are horse-drawn sledges). 
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@DPL, Thanks I'll look it up. (found it, can download and audibook on internet archive)
My one St Anton literary quiz question, published a few years later, 1963, was Ian Fleming writing that James Bond himself learned to ski at the Hannes Schneider Ski School in St Anton.
@badatbetting, KK getting a rebuild, and i believe aiming for a more upmarket crowd. Sennhutte also getting a rebuild.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@hsdee, no more taking clothes off?
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@hsdee, My first ski instructor worked for Hannes Schneider 
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| hsdee wrote: |
@badatbetting, KK getting a rebuild, and i believe aiming for a more upmarket crowd. Sennhutte also getting a rebuild. |
Interesting! I thought the KK vibe never quite worked, and with mooserwirt doing the job for wild times then KK basically had no point. Hopefully no changes to taps though! That would be a crime.
Sennhutte was a good vibe, happy to see what they do there.
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@DPL, That's awesome - the book Franzl - by Franz Gabl describes how he went to work for Hannes in the 1930's (excellent biography of Gabl's time) and flight without wings, a biography of Hannes, I highly recommend too.
@badatbetting, No changes to Taps.
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@hsdee, Thanks for the recommendations.
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If there are photos of the KK/sennhutte updates please share, or if any links showing their development
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It will be interesting to see what direction the KK updates take. The owner of the KK is also the owner of Arlone which was packed this year, but it's hard to see that there is space for two places that cater to the same crowd. The moose has the europop apres well covered, so hopefully KK will come up with something different to those places.
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I find it funny how much Stanton tries to get the word 'pom' into every sentence He also judged me for being rich last season, however now judges me this season about being poor...
If anyone has the KK plans I'd be very interested though!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@badatbetting, new terrace - old one falling down, winter garden, going up a floor, vip area, revamping and adding staff accom - folie douce meets ibiza - meh !
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| munich_irish wrote: |
| Ischgl runs until early May but as far as I can see turns into Magaluf / Ballermann / Glastonbury with a bit of skiing thrown in. Is that what folk want? enough complaints about drinking & partying as it is. |
That's not my experience, I was there in Jan and April this year, April was much quieter and subdued. The snow was also much better in April.
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You know it makes sense.
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| hsdee wrote: |
| @badatbetting, new terrace - old one falling down, winter garden, going up a floor, vip area, revamping and adding staff accom - folie douce meets ibiza - meh ! |
Darn it - vip area ffs... Ah well, if it is ok I'll go there a couple times I guess, if it sucks I'll just stay at taps!
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@DPL, Book recommendation was fun danke, some words i would have to look up - popular words when it was written that are n’t so well known now, at least by me. Love that they call alpine skiing ski running, as per the very early ski books. Enjoyed the description of the journey to resort by train and the Bus from Langen via Flexenpass to Lech. Not so much about the village or facilities though it seemed to have been just as expensive for food and drink back then. In one part it talks about skiing to Zurs from Lech using a lift but book 1952 and Rufikopf only installed 1957.
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@JimboS, I am sure the snow was good in April, no issue that the skiing is good. Around the end of April / beginning of May there were a number of reports in the German media with images from Ischgl of large t shirted crowds many waving "glasses" of beer / aperol in front of a big stage with DJs, & bands. No sign of any skiing. There is a feeling both in the Tirol and in the wider German speaking area that the "skiing industry" typified by Ischgl has rather moved too far down the route of a giant money making machine with little consideration for the wider community. Sadly skiing is becoming the preserve of the well off, most folk (even in Tirol) cant afford to take part. A revamped KK is possibly another step down that route less drunken ski bums more Folie Douce.
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Does anyone know if you can get a direct train from Salzburg to Langen am Arlberg in January? Booked up for Oberlech but flight times to Innsbruck from Scotland get in early evening but flights to Salzburg get in early morning. Don't fancy arriving too late for dinner on our first night
The alternative is to fly early doors from Newcastle instead of Edinburgh/Glasgow but that would mean a mega early start
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I can only base my opinion on last season as I have never been to st Anton prior to that. I did do comfortably over 100 apres sessions so I am pretty well versed on how things were last season. (I plan to drink less next year so I can actually remember things)
I wouldn't say KK catered to a younger crowd than taps, it was just much quieter, very rarely at capacity besides Australia Day, closing etc (opening day was actually shockingly dead). I imagine it was incredible back in the day due to the history of apres ski, but it seems to be the jack of all trades last season, but despite that I still don't want it to have VIP vibes - Arl one was about the limit that we could handle for how posh the place was. We met Mario Matt, my flatmate got to do some photo's of events throughout the season, his English only seemed slightly better than our German though, seemed a v nice guy though.
I am intrigued by the spar developments, I WISH it had some self service check outs! The one in Lech seems to run SO much smoother purely due to this, the one in St Anton always has a massive queue and seems so slow.
I highly doubt more 'poms' are coming to Austria over France now than there used to be pre Brexit. The tourist visa for France is extremely easy to get, whereas the Austrian one is borderline non-existent so it's safe to say the Brits have mainly been in France since 2020.
I still have not skied off piste at all, and am a fairly poo-poo skier (I learnt to ski in my 30s). I still love the St Anton ski area and general way of life, and hence I am hoping to do another season here over Meribel. I hope this is evidence that there clearly is more reasons for showing up than the off piste.
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@boabski, Yes there are direct trains from Salzburg to Langen. Railjets run on the route between Vienna & Feldkirch basically one per hour (the odd one involves an easy change at Innsbruck). Every two hours the train goes on to Bregenz the other hour to Zürich. The Bregenz trains stop at Pitztal & Langen, the Zürich trains at Ötztal & St Anton (hence discussion above). So direct train Salzburg to Langen every two hours. However it is just as easy to get from St Anton to Lech as it is from Langen, buses connect with the trains or if you are flush book a transfer.
@stanton, Not sure when you were last in the Moose but clientele seems to be largely Dutch & Scandies, a few random Brits, German speakers less in evidence even if the music is very typical Bavarian bierfest toons. The punch up last season was (allegedly) mostly Dutch with a sprinkling of South Americans!
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@munich_irish, which Media do you mind? Because usually they are click baits
However this year the closing concert Was really crowded because of the World famos djs etc
And generally i agree : Ischgl was always a giant money making Maschine
Many years ago i saw a dokumentary Film about clima vs skiing etc
There was also the.general Manager from ischgl who said simply "we are not a skiing resort...we are something like a big entertainment Park with skiing. If we need more snow making we will buy them. If we need sonerhing Else to be attraktive for the guests will do it also"
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@turms2, I have a subscription to the Süddeutsche, there have been a number of articles along the same lines, this one featured the end of season partying in Ischgl (which understandably seems a particular target) but there have been a number of other often featuring folk from the Tirol who oppose further expansion of skiing or are not in favour of the way "apres ski" has developed. When I first moved o Bavaria 25 years ago, many, if not most people went skiing. Now I am pretty much the only person I know who goes, the group at the Stammtisch have all given up as "too expensive" (these are mainly folk doing corporate management type jobs), there is a village ski club but much smaller than it used to be.
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In our village is also the same. But there are mamy reasons who leads to this development i suppose. Not only the money Problem.
I was in Steiermark last week and there they have also almost the same problems and are opposite to some Expansions etc etc
A big Diskussion...
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@turms2, Gunther Aloys - Seen him in a few you documentries, he's the guy who started the ischgl opening and closing parties and took Ischgl in the direction of being a party town, they were a bit of a latecomer to skiing not being one of the founding villages like Kitz or Anton. He features in another interesting documentary on there, Rummelplatz Alpen (German) which contrasts Ischgl with quiet unintrusive mountain tourism.
It's been rumoured for years that Spar would disappear and turn into Mooserwirt part 2 or something similar, which would be a complete shame @badatbetting, - Don't go to Spar after skiing
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@hsdee, Having three supermarkets in a village, even if it is on the larger size, seems a lot. The Spar is always busy in the ski season but must be very quiet outside of that, would assume locals would use Billa, M Preis or go to Landeck. Maybe a bigger stage for Gunar?
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