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Appreciate any advice wise snowheads can offer — we are stuck next year with dates of 4-11 April. We usually ski the last week of March into April in the 3 valleys but considering a change and someone suggested Arlberg.
We are two adults and two teens (13/19), all prefer reds, blacks and ideally a bit of off piste.
How are conditions usually that time of year? It doesn’t seem to come up when people ask for suggestions for a late season break.
Lech seems to have a lot of blues — would Zürs be a bit more varied?
Two of us like to ski a lot every day (60/70km on piste) but I read Arlberg resorts aren’t as smoothly connected as the 3V resorts; is that fair and is it likely to impact moving around to and from all ends of the area like you can in France?
One teen is vegan  so we prefer not HB. Is this also tricky in Austria? It’s not great in France either but we eat in or in restaurants and seem to get by.
If you have got this far, thank you!
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@abricotine, it takes just one cablecar from Lech-village to be in Zürs. Skiing Lech=Skiing Zürs and vv.
Additionally, the Warth-area has a lot of north-facing reds and blacks.
Lech has the best connections in all directions (also better than St.Anton), and on top of that is a pretty village, and much more accomodation than Zürs.
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@Langerzug, thanks, sounds promising, maybe it’s the link with St Anton I’ve read about being more complicated then.
We’d be keen to get round and ski the whole area including St Anton but wasn’t sure it would be the best place for us to stay
Sounds like best to look at Lech then!
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@abricotine, I dont think you will have an issue with vegan food, popular with German speaking younger folk these days. I suspect (though as a confirmed meat eater maybe not best placed to judge) better than France.
Very difficult to look a year in advance but not sure April is ideal in the Arlberg, not so much conditions but because the area seems to get very quiet in April. You might be lucky and get plentiful snow and very few people. It terms of places to stay, I would stick to either St Anton or Lech. Zürs is pretty much only hotels and apartment blocks not much else. It probably has the best piste skiing in the Arlberg. For me (I know others will disagree) Lech has the least attractive skiing in the Arlberg (still good) but it is easy to get to Warth which is excellent.
Arlberg covers a very large area (maybe a wider area than 3V) but it doesnt feature the sort of dense network of lifts and pistes typically found in the large French areas. It is a number of connected areas (Warth, Lech, Zürs, Stuben, St Anton - really split into two with Rendl being a separate area) and the connections can seem tedious to some.
I rarely ski anywhere else these days, the variety and challenge of the skiing is simply better than anywhere else I have skied. From what you have said about your skiing preferences think it would be ideal especially with the large number of ski routes (itineraries) and off piste. However not everyone is enamoured, if you are after ski in / out with kms of corduroy on your doorstep maybe not for you.
The official ski map does not really give a true impression of the layout and distances open ski map is better
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@munich_irish, thank you so much, that’s really helpful and answers a lot of the questions I had that just weren’t apparent from my reading of the piste map. I didn’t know about Open ski map but I see exactly what you mean. The ski routes sound particularly interesting too
We are fine with quiet so long as most things stay open; appreciate it’s impossible to tell about conditions so far in advance but if it’s generally reasonable at that time of year I’d be inclined to give it a go!
The odd vegan meal would be a bonus!
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| abricotine wrote: |
Appreciate any advice wise snowheads can offer — we are stuck next year with dates of 4-11 April. We usually ski the last week of March into April in the 3 valleys but considering a change and someone suggested Arlberg.
We are two adults and two teens (13/19), all prefer reds, blacks and ideally a bit of off piste.
How are conditions usually that time of year? It doesn’t seem to come up when people ask for suggestions for a late season break.
Lech seems to have a lot of blues — would Zürs be a bit more varied?
Two of us like to ski a lot every day (60/70km on piste) but I read Arlberg resorts aren’t as smoothly connected as the 3V resorts; is that fair and is it likely to impact moving around to and from all ends of the area like you can in France?
One teen is vegan so we prefer not HB. Is this also tricky in Austria? It’s not great in France either but we eat in or in restaurants and seem to get by.
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I haven’t skied Arlberg yet, but I did extensive research while planning an April ski trip this year — and based on that, I’d be very cautious.
Arlberg — including Lech, Zürs, and St. Anton — isn’t a safe bet for early April. It may still be snow-sure, but it’s often not ski-sure — a distinction I only fully understood recently. The snow might exist, but a lot of terrain can be slushy, closed, or simply unpleasant to ski, especially off-piste.
I’ve skied the 3 Vallées.
And in April, even in 3V — the lower parts like Les Menuires, Courchevel 1550/1650, and the bottom of Méribel can get quite slushy by mid-day. And these are higher than most of the Arlberg base areas.
Yes, Austria had good late snow this year, but that’s the exception, not the rule. Booking Arlberg in advance for April is a BIG gamble. Lower elevation, weather-dependent lift connections, and less terrain reliability make it a risky choice — especially for a family expecting consistently good skiing.
If you’re still inclined, I’d suggest booking only flights (Zurich is a smart hub) and locking in accommodation last minute based on snow reports. But Arlberg — for early April — is best avoided unless you’re flexible and willing to pivot.
If Austria is a must, Ischgl is your only somewhat reliable option. But honestly, Val Thorens remains the best bet for ski-sure conditions in April — high-altitude base, wide terrain, and a solid lift network that holds up better than most.
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@ankitind, That's not quite true. Arlberg is the snowiest part of the alps and normally has more snow than anywhere else. The issue is that the lift company (I assume simply for business reasons) close earlier than they could do. Most years there will be plentiful snow to keep the ski routes and off piste runs open (this year not), snow depths of 4m at the beginning of April are not unusual. In the past couple of seasons some of the best conditions have been after the lifts have closed! I agree that from mid April onwards Ischgl is the better option as the area is open until the beginning of May, though the home runs at Ischgl are no better than those at St Anton or Lech. Do also bear in mind that the snow condition / height combination varies across the alps. The snow & tree line is much higher in France than in Austria (further away from the Atlantic ocean). A village at 1000m in France is going to be marginal these days but perfectly OK further east.
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| munich_irish wrote: |
| @ankitind, That's not quite true. Arlberg is the snowiest part of the alps and normally has more snow than anywhere else. The issue is that the lift company (I assume simply for business reasons) close earlier than they could do. Most years there will be plentiful snow to keep the ski routes and off piste runs open (this year not), snow depths of 4m at the beginning of April are not unusual. In the past couple of seasons some of the best conditions have been after the lifts have closed! I agree that from mid April onwards Ischgl is the better option as the area is open until the beginning of May, though the home runs at Ischgl are no better than those at St Anton or Lech. Do also bear in mind that the snow condition / height combination varies across the alps. The snow & tree line is much higher in France than in Austria (further away from the Atlantic ocean). A village at 1000m in France is going to be marginal these days but perfectly OK further east. |
That’s exactly what I found during my research. Yes, Arlberg may be snow-sure on paper — with solid snow depth even in April — but for skiers, what really matters is whether the resort is ski-sure.
If lifts are closed early, off-piste access is limited, and runs (especially lower ones) are slushy or inconsistent, the fact that snow exists becomes irrelevant. For someone planning a ski-focused holiday, the ability to actually ski quality terrain all day — not just admire snow on the mountains — is the priority.
So while I don’t doubt the snow stats, from a skier’s point of view in April, Arlberg just doesn’t offer the same level of on-the-ground reliability as places like Val Thorens or even Ischgl, which stay open longer and maintain better spring conditions.
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@ankitind, sorry but you are wrong, I have been skiing in the Arlberg (and Ischgl) for 25 years so might know something about what happens there. No idea what ski sure is but if what you want is lots of piste skiing then yes 3V (been there too, wouldnt go back) or Ischgl is better than Arlberg whatever time of the season but Arlberg has better all round skiing even in most Aprils.
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St Anton is at 1300m, Val Thorens is at 2300m. Just look at the webcams today if you want to understand the difference that makes. It is stark. Nothing against St Anton but in a poor snow season like this year I wouldn’t choose it in April. Even this weekend with a big dump forecast across the Western alps but a high snowline Val Thorens is going to have much better conditions than the Arlberg.
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I've skied in St Anton in the first couple of weeks in April quite a few times because I used to be limited to go in school holidays and I agree with what @munich_irish, says, the snow is reliable at that time.
Yes the lower slopes will be soft and slushy at the end of the day, and usually quite mogully too, but always enough snow to ski back down to town on. The higher slopes usually have great snow conditions and Zurs especially always seems to have good conditions, partly because it's a bit higher and also because each side of the valley gets some shade at different times in the day. It's great to ski on the sunny side in the morning then cross to the other side of the valley and get more sun in the afternoon especially at that time of year.
Lech and St Anton have a very different vibe, so peoples opinions on where is best to stay will vary depending on what they are looking for. Personally I prefer St Anton, for the skiing, the general atmosphere in the town and of course the Apres-ski. Some of the apres-bars like KK/Taps might be near their closing dates in early April but there will be others (eg Moose/Murrmel) still open.
The resorts are stretched out over a long distance unlike 3v so to ski to Warth from St Anton is a long way and leaves limited time when you are there unless you are an extremely fast skier. I always drive and park the car (for free) at the last car park in Lech if visiting Warth/Schrocken as it gives you a lot more time to explore all the runs over there.
Rendl is a great area, though not that big, but people sometimes avoid it because its off to one side of St Anton. There are some higher runs there that keep good snow and the final long run back to town (R1) is a really nice run.
If you have a car you can also visit Sonnenkopf for the day which is down the S16 motorway towards Bludenz between Klosterle and Dalaas, this is a completely different type of resort, more family oriented, fairly easy piste skiing but if there is a lot of fresh powder it stays unskied for much longer than in St Anton.
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When comparing snow conditions between Austria and France, I found that the conditions in places like Warth (between April 5th and 10th, at altitudes from 1,600 to 2,000 meters) were, as far as I remember, actually better than what I experienced in Avoriaz (above 1,800 meters) during the first week of April this year.
Besides that, slope orientation plays a major role. Alpe d’Huez is higher than St. Anton, but I don’t think you’ll necessarily find better conditions there just because of the altitude.
And a couple of seasons before, when we spent quite a bit of time in Warth, I even noticed a significant difference in snow conditions between Lech and Warth – on the same day , same altitude
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*for Arlberg, valley runs are guaranteed until end of season
*this year snow cover has been thin all season (apart from early season), still skiing to the villages is possible currently
*Villages like Courchevel and Meribel are at same altitude as Lech and St.Anton. Of course, Val Thorens is quite unique, but also just a small corner of 3V...
*In April, slush is prevalent on all sunny slopes, and sometimes beyond that. April means getting up early, and find best spots to ski, following (and unfollowing) the sun.
*Also in April, Lech/Zürs traditionally has the Tanzcafé event, with live bands all across the skiresort and village. As of this year this apparently successful event is spread all over Arlberg.
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Yeah Lech looks amazing. I wouldn’t go to Meribel either but I think you’d be very disappointed coming from Val Thorens to St Anton or Lech in conditions like this, which let’s face it are getting more common.
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@Langerzug, @turms2, @JohnS4, @BobinCH, @munich_irish,
Just wanted to say — this thread has been an absolute gem. I’ve learned more about April skiing in the Arlberg here than I did during weeks of personal research while planning my own trip. Snow-sure vs ski-sure, slope orientation, lift closures, terrain layout — some really nuanced insights that I hadn’t fully appreciated before.
I came in pretty set on avoiding Arlberg in April, but now I can see there’s a bigger picture — especially with places like Zürs and Warth getting good mentions. I’m still leaning toward high-altitude French options like Val Thorens, Tignes for that week, but I’ll definitely keep Arlberg as a flexible backup or even a future add-on.
Thanks again to everyone who contributed — really valuable discussion!
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| ankitind wrote: |
| Zürs and Warth |
Two rather under-rated skiing domains that have surprisingly good end of season conditions. I've done a lot of April skiing in the Arlberg, and avoid the home-run into Lech (BobinCH's picture) as much as possible , staying up high/north facing as much as possible. Don't expect to be skiing much after 2 pm. that's the time for lunches and Spritzes. 
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| ankitind wrote: |
| Zürs and Warth |
Two rather under-rated skiing domains that have surprisingly good end of season conditions. I've done a lot of April skiing in the Arlberg, and avoid the home-run into Lech (BobinCH's picture) as much as possible , staying up high/north facing as much as possible. Don't expect to be skiing much after 2 pm. that's the time for lunches and Spritzes. |
Really loving this thread — genuinely one of the most insightful ones I’ve come across while planning an April ski trip. I’ve learned a lot about how nuanced Arlberg is, especially regarding spring skiing and snow orientation.
Quick question for those who know the area well:
I keep seeing recommendations to stay in Lech or St. Anton, but I’ve noticed there are often great-value accommodations in Zug (the small village near Lech) and Warth. These places seem quieter, better availability, and I’m guessing:
• Shorter lift lines in the morning
• Less traffic at the end of the ski day
• Potentially more peaceful for a 6–7 day trip
So I’m wondering:
Are there any real downsides to staying in Zug or Warth compared to Lech/St. Anton? (Not restricted to April)
Also trying to understand the road and lift connectivity better:
• Zug and Zürs seem to be on the same open road network as Lech — so I assume getting in/out is easy even in winter?
• But the road from Lech to Warth is closed in winter, right? So if you stay in Warth (or Schröcken), you’d need to do the longer U-shaped drive if coming from Switzerland or Italy.
• Once you’re in resort and skiing — are the lift connections between all these zones fairly smooth, or more segmented compared to something like 3 Vallées?
Would love to hear from folks who’ve stayed in these smaller villages. Trying to balance snow reliability, crowd management, and cost — and this thread’s already been a goldmine!
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@BobinCH, I think you are being somewhat disingenuous here  This has been a very low snow season and a very late Easter. Many places are already closed. No doubt Ischgl, Verbier, VT etc are best for late April skiing. In a more typical year we would have all been moaning about the fact that the lifts in the Arlberg were closing early. On my last visit a few weeks back it was clear that the non piste skiing was just about finished which is very unusual as runs like Schindler usually have good snow until the end. Madloch is still open though assume fairly stoney. I hope it doesnt now pour down for the next three months!
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@munich_irish, don’t get me wrong I think the Arlberg is a great area and have enjoyed my 2 trips there (in Feb and March). I agree with many of the comments above. St Anton is a fun town. Rendl backside is fantastic. As is Albona. Lech is a beautiful village in the sunshine with nice easy pistes. The Zug area is great. The off piste route round to Warth / Schrocken and ski back are fun. It’s a great area for an ambitious skier looking to explore and get in some mileage. But I think it’s a risky choice (compared with VT) in April. And looking at the webcams and forecast confirms it for this year. I’m not denying your greater experience there than me. And maybe next year is completely different, who knows. But the climate trend is not positive
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@BobinCH, very often, Lech-village is completely white into May. This year is unusual. Still, several glowing reports -in Alpinforum (German)- over the last few weeks.
Comparing with just Val Thorens is a bit odd. This was about 3V-Arlberg. Sounds like the OP is well aware.
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@ankitind, I've stayed at both places late season and there are significant trade-offs!
Firstly Warth is at the "far end" of the Vorarlberg, getting there involves a completely different route, and don't expect easy road access to Lech. I've done the road route around from Warth to Lech over the hill via the smaller ski resorts and Bludenz. I won't do it twice, so would defo say that Warth is really out on a limb, not really a lot to do post-skiing apart from hotels, and very quiet.
Secondly I love Zug! The lift up (Zugerbergbahn) is now excellent! Beats the old rickety 2-man from medieval times. First thing in the morning the lift access is usually queue free, and gets you into Lech system above the usual lift access from Lech itself. At the end of the day, and I doubt skiing back to Zug is possible, just catch the ski bus (free navette).
Thirdly I love Zurs! Despite the relative accommodation costs Zurs is a brilliant location for the best snow conditions in the Arlberg IMHO. Late season snow is best accessed by Zurs first thing, the ski down to Zug usually pretty good, then access to Lech's upper slopes and also to the Auenfeldjet connect to Warth straightforward.
Fourth, I love Lech! Much better place to stay than St Manton. Much more civilised, can access the best parts of the "Run of Fame/Weisse Ring", but the downside is slushier snow.
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@TYPUCT,@ankitind, the road to Warth from either Reutte or Bregenz is fine, and quiet.
In fact Lech and Zürs are (also) famous for (very) incidental road closures (and hence isolation) during heavy snowfall!
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@BobinCH, very often, Lech-village is completely white into May. This year is unusual. Still, several glowing reports -in Alpinforum (German)- over the last few weeks.
Comparing with just Val Thorens is a bit odd. This was about 3V-Arlberg. Sounds like the OP is well aware. |
Oh there’s a surprise. Same story last year… 
https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=164688&start=920#5280509
And it’s anything but odd. Val Thorens is where I’d base myself in April. Easy access to the highest skiing in the domain (3200), the best skiing in the next valley - Mont Vallon (2950) and relatively simple to get to Saulire (2700) via Mottaret at 1800m
Warth by comparison tops out at 2000m and you’re connecting in villages at 1400m. It’s all low and at the mercy of warm spells. The Arlberg is going to get washed out this weekend. In Val Thorens they’ll be skiing powder to resort level.
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Thanks everyone who has contributed to this thread; as @anitikind as said, it’s immensely useful to read the different viewpoints and the back and forth to understand risks vs potential reward!
For our part we are not averse to the odd sparse or slushy home run at the tail end of the season. In 3V, we stay in St Martin but we can easily and quickly access high altitude/snow sure slopes in VT and elsewhere, avoid worst bits of Meribel etc.
We are happy if reliable snow and lots of good skiing are accessible up a couple of lifts; doesn’t have to be to the door. We also get out fairly early but husband and eldest do like to ski a full day regardless. I think we would probably be looking at the Lech side over St Anton particularly given the dates and what I’ve read.
I agree that the general trend is not positive though — this was certainly apparent this year in 3V but we had a guide at points and were still able to make the most of the late season, most runs were open etc. So would be hoping for similar.
Thanks again for the input; lots to digest and consider!
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@BobinCH, yes those are exactly the parts of 3V we tend to ski year after year, on and off piste, and it’s always a great late season trip. Husband and eldest are tempted by a new challenge though!
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| abricotine wrote: |
| @BobinCH, yes those are exactly the parts of 3V we tend to ski year after year, on and off piste, and it’s always a great late season trip. Husband and eldest are tempted by a new challenge though! |
I spent a season there and have fond memories. Arlberg is a great area and I’m sure you’ll enjoy it in good conditions. For your dates and abilities I would also recommend Verbier (or stay in Le Chable for cheaper accom). It has the benefit of much higher altitude terrain and avi controlled (although not pisted) long itineraries that will suit the adventurous minded in your family… I’d leave the Arlberg for a Jan or Feb trip with a better chance of lower temps.
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@BobinCH, Perhaps the new normal is over 2m in a week in Zermatt at the end of April and nothing in the Arlberg. The usual northern "stau" weather which normally brings large amounts of snow has been noticeable by its absence this season, been cold though. I agree end of April best elsewhere but first week is usually good but who knows.
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| munich_irish wrote: |
| @BobinCH, Perhaps the new normal is over 2m in a week in Zermatt at the end of April and nothing in the Arlberg. The usual northern "stau" weather which normally brings large amounts of snow has been noticeable by its absence this season, been cold though. I agree end of April best elsewhere but first week is usually good but who knows. |
The new normal is warmer temps and increasingly erratic / extreme weather. It’s why I think resorts with the combo of trees and high alpine are the safest bet unless you can book last minute. Rain in Jan and pow in April is hard to plan for…
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@BobinCH, @abricotine, compare webcams Lech and St.Martin  Lech village pistes are mostly south-oriented, St.Martin is west/northwest. Lech and St.Martin are at exactly same altitude. Since the white stripes we're seeing in Lech currently are 100% artificial, this tells you that Arlberg is considerably cooler than 3V...
In this thread, page 8,9:
https://www.alpinforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69956&start=175
you can see a lot of pictures of the period of this end march/early April. End of a season with very little snow.
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@BobinCH, I've been in 4V some years ago, 1st week of April. My knees were hurting for weeks after that. Slush up to 2500 meter, a week long.
What I'm saying is: it can happen everywhere. It's April after all. But the difference between these areas is not as big as you're picturing it.
check the St.Martin webcams. The difference is striking. Yes, Arlberg is lower, but yes it is also cooler.
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| Langerzug wrote: |
| @BobinCH, I've been in 4V some years ago, 1st week of April. My knees were hurting for weeks after that. Slush up to 2500 meter, a week long |
I’d suggest lessons and maybe work on your fitness and cut back on the Strudels?
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@BobinCH, yeah, right.
You might be surprised.
And I don’t like strudels. Nor fondue.
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The MMV hotels in France have a vegan / vegetarian section on the buffet every mealtime, and one night a week, the whole buffet is veggie / vegan. There's defo one in VT (Les Arroles) and another in Les Menuires (Le Coeur des Loges).
We've stayed in quite a few of them, in various French resorts, and they're very good. Either book direct, or via Crystal / Inghams. Afraid my experience of vegan / veggie food in St Anton wasn't good... tho that was a few years ago.
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@BobinCH, you appear to think that the current extreme weather in South Europe confirms your point...
Main point here: OP is looking at first week of April. A huge difference with fourth week of April, any year, any ski resort.
But, since you like to go in depth: Just had a look at the 3V liftstatus of today: Virtually the whole Courchevel-Meribel-Les Menuires is closed. Only Val Thorens open.
Arlberg has virtually 100% open.
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@Onnem, Perhaps you should go back. Been going to St Anton for 25 years and never actually seen an accident happen, though naturally have seen the heli pick folk up from time to time (never fancied being dangled on a long rope hundreds of metres up!). Yes accommodation has got expensive but otherwise not that expensive (cheaper than France unless you deliberately look for expensive spots). Ski pass discounts for older & younger folk mean a ski pass can be cheaper than SkiWelt! Long time since I skied in France (Val d'Isere, 3V, La Plagne, PDS) and I know very popular with many brits but I wouldnt go back, Austria much better and the Arlberg best place in Austria. More than happy for folk to ski elsewhere, biggest issue is it is too popular!
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