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New Foot and Mouth rules for when you are travelling home
From Saturday 12 April, it will be illegal for travellers from all EU countries entering Great Britain to bring items like sandwiches, cheese, cured meats, raw meats or milk into the country. This is regardless of whether it is packed or packaged or whether it has been bought at duty free.
Perhaps why @chocksaway, had his delay today ?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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all those people who stuff their bags full of stuff in the Flexiplus lounge will have to eat them up on the train.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Also homebound on Eurotunnel. Arrived at per reception at 15:45 for a 17:54 crossing. Offered a 17:06 free of charge swap at check-in. Just drove straight round past the terminal and loaded onto next train which departed 16:41
Eurotunnel website saying 30 mins border control it seemed to move through ok.
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| Origen wrote: |
| all those people who stuff their bags full of stuff in the Flexiplus lounge will have to eat them up on the train. |
We were in Paris when the 2001 UK outbreak happened on a farm quite close to Newcastle airport. By the time we flew back, the plane could not land with any uneaten food on board, so sandwiches galore were being handed round. Sad to see the fires burning the animals as we came into land. Lets hope quick action stops it in its tracks.
Flexiplus is theoretically on Uk soil though, as customs and border control have been cleared?
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thanks for the heads up @Le Grand Renard, had not seen anything in the media, was thinking of doing a short trip to France next weekend, as i have a crossing i need to use up. I would have picked up some nice cheeses etc to bring home with me, saves me throwing them away at the border and wasting money!!
here is the official notice from HMGOV
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/foot-and-mouth-disease-latest-situation
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Thanks for bringing that to our attention @Le Grand Renard.
The full rools:
https://www.gov.uk/bringing-food-into-great-britain
We have a big chunk of Tomme in the fridge together with loads of yoghurts, ice cream and moochi that we’re gonna have to pig over the next couple of days.
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@Le Grand Renard, I think the passport people were overwhelmed, easy to blame the French as they are first but there was still 3 cars queuing at each UK booth. I only spoke to Passport checkers. Didn’t see customs of either flavour.
I then had a 75 min jam on the M11 north of Stansted. Long day.
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We would have spent a fair whack tomorrow on a big piece of cheese to take home too so you’ve save us some wasted money.
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| Le Grand Renard wrote: |
New Foot and Mouth rules for when you are travelling home
From Saturday 12 April, it will be illegal for travellers from all EU countries entering Great Britain to bring items like sandwiches, cheese, cured meats, raw meats or milk into the country. This is regardless of whether it is packed or packaged or whether it has been bought at duty free.
Perhaps why @chocksaway, had his delay today ? |
Does that mean that cooked meats such as terrine are ok?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| tangowaggon wrote: |
Does that mean that cooked meats such as terrine are ok? |
I don’t think so, sadly. The rules say:
“ Restrictions on meat, dairy and animal products for human consumption
You cannot bring in any of the following:
pork
beef
lamb
mutton
goat
venison
other products made from these meats, for example sausages ”
It doesn’t make any distinction that I can see between cooked or not, just “products made from”.
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| tangowaggon wrote: |
Does that mean that cooked meats such as terrine are ok? |
I don’t think so, sadly. The rules say:
“ Restrictions on meat, dairy and animal products for human consumption
You cannot bring in any of the following:
pork
beef
lamb
mutton
goat
venison
other products made from these meats, for example sausages ”
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You know it makes sense.
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I saw this on a caravan forum and wondered if it was genuine, as again not seen it anywhere else.
Is anyone actually going to enforce this? I mean after Brexit you can’t take anything to EU from UK but many people do
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I’m sure someone will explain it, but how does a packet of ham from Casino which I eat at home risk spreading F&M?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Smooth journey Colchester to Folkestone but then the dreaded text message - delays at tunnel. Luckily clearing as we got to boarding area and we are on a train waiting to go. Booked departure 0854 actual departure looks to be around then.
Off to Holland for two days then to Chatel via Luxembourg, hopefully rain stopped by then.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Boris, from the National Institute of Health.
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| International travellers bringing back food from endemic countries could spread the disease. The foot and mouth disease virus can survive for long periods in a range of fresh, partially cooked, cured, and smoked meats and in inadequately pasteurised dairy products. |
I believe the virus can survive for up to 6 months, particularly on air-dried or cured meats (bacon for example).
Outbreak in 2001 was caused by improperly cooked meat products getting into animal feed. Kitchen scraps fed to pigs as swill weren't properly heat treated.
BBC article suggests it was likely to be illegally imported meat that caused the outbreak. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35581830
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| Hells Bells wrote: |
@Boris, from the National Institute of Health.
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| International travellers bringing back food from endemic countries could spread the disease. The foot and mouth disease virus can survive for long periods in a range of fresh, partially cooked, cured, and smoked meats and in inadequately pasteurised dairy products. |
I believe the virus can survive for up to 6 months, particularly on air-dried or cured meats (bacon for example).
Outbreak in 2001 was caused by improperly cooked meat products getting into animal feed. Kitchen scraps fed to pigs as swill weren't properly heat treated.
BBC article suggests it was likely to be illegally imported meat that caused the outbreak. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35581830 |
The 2001 outbreak was blamed on a pig farmer not treating his swill properly, while that is accepted as true what the government didn't acknowledge was the fact that the food waste he was using came from an army camp that was using Argentinian beef, a country that was rife with F&M at the time, the minor 2007 outbreak was caused by extremely lax bio security measures in a government lab.
The 2001 outbreak caused me nearly £20,000 due to being unable to sell fat cattle which once the outbreak was over were over the then 30 month age limit for human consumption so had to be destroyed anyway for far less than they were worth plus the cost of feeding them for nearly nine months beyond their original sale date.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Ok, pig swill scraps o get, but all food waste generally goes into biomass generators now don’t they?
And I bet can still buy all EU stuff on Tesco
I’m not disputing reasons for ban, just validity of how well it will work and how many exemptions there will be
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Fair question Boris
I think it’s like any practical use of epidemiology- you shut as many doors as you can, realising that there are always going to be loop holes.
A carelessly disposed of ham sarni on a lay-by could be chomped by a passing deer or hedgehog and you have an outbreak.
And yes, it’s only personal imports so
Tescos will still stock EU ham, which presumably is subject to controls, which are perhaps a bit stricter than your average farmers market.
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| Boris wrote: |
Ok, pig swill scraps o get, but all food waste generally goes into biomass generators now don’t they?
And I bet can still buy all EU stuff on Tesco
I’m not disputing reasons for ban, just validity of how well it will work and how many exemptions there will be |
No exceptions whatsoever , all imports from areas inside and surrounding any with outbreaks , makes no difference if it's Joe blogs or the biggest supermarkets.
No sales from infected areas are allowed even within the same country but it's so easily spread any import is a risk, if for example an outbreak occured near the french coast it could easily get here via wind or bird transfer.
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@robs1, hmm I will keep an eye out in supermarkets and see when (if) there is an absence of continental meat and cheese.
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@chocksaway, gov.uk has the following in addition to the personal imports.
Commercial trade
There are restrictions on commercially importing certain products from:
any EU country with FMD (Germany, Hungary and Slovakia)
Austria, because of a case near the Hungarian-Austrian border
The restrictions apply to:
hay and straw
any live animal belonging to an FMD-susceptible species
Restrictions also apply to the following products from FMD-susceptible animals:
germplasm
fresh meat
meat products, unless suitably heat treated
milk and dairy products, unless suitably treated
animal by-products, such as pet food
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@Hells Bells, Thanks, I googled around and that didn’t pop up - commercial trade seem to be the key words.
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| Boris wrote: |
| @robs1, hmm I will keep an eye out in supermarkets and see when (if) there is an absence of continental meat and cheese. |
There won't be an absence as the restricted area is a very small part of the continent so plenty of supplies.
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The risk with personal imports is that there is no control over where you bought it, and the origin of commercial import should be able to be traced under existing rules.
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You know it makes sense.
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Vehicle fire closing 2 lanes on the M25 westbound near South Mimms. Much of it between Dartford and here has been restricted to 50 due to a “system test”?!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@altis, They have been running that system test since April 2nd!
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Poster: A snowHead
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The smoke ahead looks real. Been stationary now for at least 15 minutes.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Now rolling again. Mind you, it’ll be a while before they clear up the remains of that BMW. It’s on the exit for J23, Barnet.
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When I was driving back in the middle of last Sat/Sun night there was a vehicle on fire on the hard shoulder.
Because it only dawned on me quite late what it actually was I didn't want to swerve out of my lane even though at that time of night there are very few cars. I very briefly felt the heat as I went past.
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@boredsurfin,
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@altis, They have been running that system test since April 2nd!
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there was a supposed 50mph "system test" on the m25 between M26 jctn and A3 jctn a few Sundays ago, has highways England introduced new speed limits on the quiet??
i wonder how much money on additional fines they may have trousered???
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We’re home again in one piece after a total of 2138 miles.
Mrs A handed over to me at Toddington services with the estimated fuel range just 7 miles greater than the satnav estimated distance. Oh, a bit close but I do like a challenge!
So I set about chasing the fastest trucks I could find and by the time the estimated range disappeared somewhere near Knutsford services the difference was around 50 miles. Happy days.
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i wonder how much money on additional fines they may have trousered???
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Conspiracy theories? I don't think Highways England get the benefit of speeding fines.
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Be aware that anyone trying to get to Tignes/Val today probably won’t as the road is closed due to snow and multiple slides of snow mud and trees.
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@Origen,
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i wonder how much money on additional fines they may have trousered???
Conspiracy theories? I don't think Highways England get the benefit of speeding fines.
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sorry, i should have said that the fines would go into a central pot, not into highways England coffers
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@Ski lots,
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Be aware that anyone trying to get to Tignes/Val today probably won’t as the road is closed due to snow and multiple slides of snow mud and trees.
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also, according to the VT website, the road is closed from Moutier up to the Belleville valley as well today, with notices of various avalanches going on.
i only clicked on their webcams, and a warning page came up advising people to stay indoors today
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Good job I’m planning on coming home via the region 
