 Poster: A snowHead
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Looking for some advise.
Just wondering if a Wax Machine (Wintersteiger WaxJet) could damage the ski base. I purchased a new pair of Blizzards Zero G back in December. Two weeks back I had the junior ski tech at SportChek wax them
This was the first that they’d been machined waxed. When I picked them I was concerned about the wavyness of the wax but was told that’s the how they turn on. Fast
Forward I dropped them off for another wax at the shop on our local ski hill. While out skiing the tech messaged me to say that there was something wrong with the base of one of my skies. One the one ski there appears to be two relative long grooves which is pretty wide noticeable when setting a rule on the base. He believes that this was caused by the wax machine.
Just wondering if anyone has had this happen before.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Obviously it's real, that image with straight edge clearly illustrates what shouldn't be there.
Cursorially, looks possible from heat effect to contract structure in various plane to set a variance into ski.
I'm not familiar with what that wax process would do in this way through.
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If it's just one ski, there's equal possibility that it could have a latent defect from manufacturer that was not displayed if you hadn't had it checked previously with a straight edge.
A honest enquiry to manufacturer/retailer could be of benefit. The manufacturer would know of that possibility in their process and inspection procedure to maybe accept that there's fault there.
Ordinarily they should be OK in a machine situation that Wintersteiger make for general market use. It should be reasonable to use such service unless specifically noted not to by ski or machine manufacturer.
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I can't see how a "wax" machine could do any damage, being basically a flat roller going through a tub of "hot" (not that hot) wax and then a brush or a light flat wax removing wheel?
That's very odd though.
You sure they were flat when new?
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@sduk27, a WaxJet machine couldn't do that and it also puts almost zero heat in to the ski (which is why they're poor compared to a proper ironed-in job).
Most likely scenario is either the ski was like that from new or the first shop gave them a base grind with an undressed stone. Check the base at the ski tip for signs of an aftermarket grind - ie, a feint line(s) across the base where the base first
contacted the stone.
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I always insist on iron on hot wax and I'm happy to pay the extra.
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| Mollerski wrote: |
| I always insist on iron on hot wax and I'm happy to pay the extra. |
+1
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i am with Spyderjon on this one, the wax jet is a friction waxer a warm fleece roller delivering the wax and a scotchbrite belt polishing it so it is very unlikely that would have done the damage, the difficulty is now the ski has been through the hands of 2 if not 3 different shops is proving if it was in manufacture or if one of the shops F*$ked up
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I’ve only seen similar damage to this which was caused by a waxing iron.
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@crosshatch,  how did that happen?
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Too much heat makes skis go “pop” in different ways. Seen that kind of damage on a few skis, typically those of lighter construction. Skis can also be defective from new (poor epoxy bond as an example), but the problem only rears its head once heated with an iron (130 degrees Celsius is quite common for a lot of waxes).
I would be very confident that the OP’s issue is not as a result of a wax machine, nor a stone grind of any kind. You can see the feint structure pattern in the base material over the high and low points, which suggests the issue has occurred after any grinding has taken place.
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It does follow what looks to be internal structure/layering/stringers whatever that may be in the ski construction.
Typical would be a concave or convex shift across the whole ski base. Unusual to get something like this change after curing fully to reflect individual "channels" within the contrasting materials used in structure. Effectively looks like a contraction of the materials in those dips, thiscin comparison to the remaining high lines that haven’t been affected.
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You know it makes sense.
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| crosshatch wrote: |
| .......You can see the feint structure pattern in the base material over the high and low points, which suggests the issue has occurred after any grinding has taken place. |
That makes no sense whatsoever.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| spyderjon wrote: |
| crosshatch wrote: |
| .......You can see the feint structure pattern in the base material over the high and low points, which suggests the issue has occurred after any grinding has taken place. |
That makes no sense whatsoever. |
How exactly does that make no sense? What makes no sense is suggesting the issue could be from an undressed grinding stone… 
The OP mentioned the “long grooves”, as pictured. There are high and low spots, as shown with a straight edge. Look closely. The base material has a feint structure pattern that is cut into the base in both the high and low points of the “long grooves”. This would only be possible if the base was close to flat at the time of grinding. Therefore, the issue of the “long grooves” has occurred long after the ski was ground.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@crosshatch, no. An uneven stone will still put a longitudinal structure across it's full width, ie along both the high and low spots.
The reason I offered this caused is that I've had to correct this condition a number of times on machines when I've serviced them for the retailer.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I think you’re missing the point I’m making. The daylight under the straight edge in the picture clearly shows parts of the base that are higher and lower than others. If that ski was passed over any grinding stone in that condition (with that lack of flatness), the areas where the daylight is visible would simply not be ground/structured, because the “long grooves” pictured are effectively proud. These “long grooves” would be the only part of the base material in that area of the ski base that contacts the stone.
An out of balance or poorly dressed grinding stone simply would not be able to “hit” the entire width of the base material in the picture to give an evenly structured base, as per the other picture.
As for correcting things for retailers, I’d be interested to know which retailers you are referring to and what machines?
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