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Carv digital ski coach thoughts

 Poster: A snowHead
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djf wrote:
My wife had hers running on a lesson with insideout this week and it was interesting to look at the data in conjunction with the lesson.
It was interesting to see the data from Mrs djf's Carv setup and I thought it reassuring that the data was in line with what I was seeing (and that Mrs djf scored a satisfyingly high 93%, right in the middle of the range for pro skiers, on one of the metrics we were working on).

I think it's an interesting device, and I take the view that all information (providing it is accurate) is useful. Of course, the most important point is what you do with that information, and I retain a concern that focusing on a necessarily limited set of outcome measures might not always be helpful in making sensible changes to the skier's inputs. Will there be a focus on addressing the symptoms rather than treating the cause of any problems which are apparent...?
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 Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
rob@rar wrote:
djf wrote:
My wife had hers running on a lesson with insideout this week and it was interesting to look at the data in conjunction with the lesson.
It was interesting to see the data from Mrs djf's Carv setup and I thought it reassuring that the data was in line with what I was seeing (and that Mrs djf scored a satisfyingly high 93%, right in the middle of the range for pro skiers, on one of the metrics we were working on).

I think it's an interesting device, and I take the view that all information (providing it is accurate) is useful. Of course, the most important point is what you do with that information, and I retain a concern that focusing on a necessarily limited set of outcome measures might not always be helpful in making sensible changes to the skier's inputs. Will there be a focus on addressing the symptoms rather than treating the cause of any problems which are apparent...?


That's a huge positive that the device is backing up what you were seeing. I completely agree about your point about what you do with the information, and that's my only concern. I've got a high amount of confidence that it'll pick up what I'm doing wrong, but how good will it be in instructing me what I need to do to change that. The beauty of instruction is that you can have that conversation to make sure you're clear on what you need to do (' so more this?', 'less that?; 'is this right?', 'have no idea what you mean!') - I always like to replay what I've been told, to check I understand, and I suspect that Carv won't be very chatty if I try that with her Laughing

Also, I'm aware that if I decide not to continue with the yearly subscription, then I'll only be left with the monitoring/ski iq functions, and none of the coaching drills, so this point could be really key.

The good news is that the makers have been very clear that they are not looking to replace instruction, so I guess they must have that in mind.

djf let us know how you get on when you try it indoors. I'm hoping mine arrive soon so can give it a go at Hemel at some point. Hopefully between us all we can get a good understanding what it's capable of doing indoors, and what drills\tools aren't available.
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 Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Anyone looking for a discounted Carv unit - I noted the following in the marketing messages from the National Snow Show:

Ski Exchange Stand:
Exclusive pricing on CARV will be available for the show weekend for those looking to improve their technique. CARV will be offering testing, advice & more at the show.
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Just had this email from Carb

Quote:

Hi PieMan

We’ve got some exciting news. And as one of our original customers, we wanted you to hear it first.

This season, we are launching Carv Membership!

For new members, it works like a ski pass, costing £149 /season.

You've been with us since the start of our journey as over the last 4 winters we’ve pushed ourselves to reshape the boundaries of what's possible in digital coaching.

That's why you will become Founder Members and receive a lifetime Carv Membership (you will not pay for the annual subscription to use your original device).

Why membership?
Since our first launch in 2016, we've pushed the boundaries of digital coaching every year.

Along the way you’ve supported us, skied with us, and helped us to improve Carv… you’ve even stuck by us as we hit a few moguls along the way.

But we know you want more – and we've listened to all of your great ideas; more coaching, better tips, video content, different terrain, powder, bumps.

We share your ambitions for Carv, which is why we're launching Carv as a membership this season. We want to keep innovating every season for our skiers while keeping the price accessible for new members.

Each winter we take a huge leap forwards with Carv and we won’t stop pushing the boundaries for you.

How it works
If you’ve already created an account and recorded a session with your Carv units, there’s nothing more you need to do - you’ll be automatically activated as a Founder member.

If you bought Carv before August 2021 but are yet to start using Carv, don’t worry, we’ll still get you activated as a Founder member. You'll need to activate your membership with the new 21|22 season app, which will be released on 15th November. We will send you an email once it’s launched as a reminder.

We’ve answered many additional questions you may have in our FAQ, though feel free to reach out to our team.

Membership FAQ
What's new for 2021?
This year, we've worked tirelessly to bring you the best Carv app we've ever made.

Ski:IQ™ has taken another big leap forward with the addition of powerful new metrics, and we've worked with an international team of instructors to create our most powerful coaching experience yet.

In previous years, Carv has shown you how you are skiing and given you tips to improve.

This year, our aim is to join up your coaching journey, so you know exactly what to work on next to improve your Ski:IQ™.

See what's new
Finally, we want to say thank you.

You’ve been with us since the start, and we owe our growth to you. Thank you for the last 4 years and we’re excited to have you join us for Carv’s next chapter.


Jamie Grant
Carv CEO and
Co-founder





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There seems to be a difference between the email saying August 21 and the faq saying October for qualification for founder status
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 Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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If you bought Carv before August 2021 but are yet to start using Carv, don’t worry, we’ll still get you activated as a Founder member. You'll need to activate your membership with the new 21|22 season app, which will be released on 15th November. We will send you an email once it’s launched as a reminder.

So pleased to have read this, as I bought my Carv for last season (which means it's still sitting in its box) - and was worried that because I hadn't already registered it, I was going to end up being stung. Thankfully not.

So excited to finally get to use Carv this season (hopefully!) as my wife's been raving about it since she got one in 2018...!
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 You'll need to Register first of course.
You'll need to Register first of course.
The Carvs just arrived - very excited though can’t use them though until the PSB!

On the subscription model - it does sound like the “founders” have a great deal - I wonder if it is hardware linked or account linked.

I do wish they would offer a better solution though on long term pricing as I fear it will not be sustainable to keep paying over the years - lifetime membership for example - or something which is more applicable for someone that gets a week or two a year on skis of which only a few hours/days will in reality be dedicated to using the Carv teaching.
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 Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
@barracuda, it's a least hardware linked as they said in the email it's only on you units that you brought as a founder. However if you need to replace a unit you can do so through by buying spare parts and they can then be linked to your founder status. New units that I purchase won't get founder status even if I use them with my account.
I agree about the pricing model, it's ok if you ski for a lot of days in a season but for 1 or 2 weeks as you say it's expensive.
Do be careful where you place the units when they are on your boot. One of mine is cracked (gaffer taped up) where it got hit by a chair lift when i was getting on as it had slipped towards the rear of my boot rather than being on the side.
Oh and once you have set them up put a sticker on one of them so you know which is your left and right one as it saves faff. (you can get them to flash in the app now but you didn't used to be able to and I always managed to get them wrong...)
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 After all it is free Go on u know u want to!
After all it is free Go on u know u want to!
@barracuda, I suspect that mine might be arriving today (had a random courier notification this morning!) - very exciting if its the case. Might try to give it a go at a fridge before my Jan trip. Are you not tempted by a snowdome trip? (not sure I can wait.. I'm like a kid at Christmas!).

I agree about the pricing though. I can see where they're going, more and more industries are moving to a subscription model to keep a regular income stream - but paying £25 a year for say a Ring doorbell that you might have use of daily or weekly, is very different to paying £150 a year for 6-12 days use. I think the person building the business case tried to equate it to the cost of having a lesson, and said it should improve your skiing more than the equivalent of having £150 worth of lessons in a year.

But it's just too much, they need to bundle it up into smaller chunks. The national lottery works on the premise that it's only a couple of quid to play every week - which doesn't feel much - but if people were asked to pay over £100 to play all those games in one week once a year, a lot of people would baulk at that.

Over the course of 5 years, carv will cost me over £800 if I stay subscribed - which I don't think I will. I'll take as much learnings from year 1, then just use the ski-IQ monitoring after that. But if they tiered the packages I might do. I'd happily pay £50 for 6-12 days use a year.
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