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Congrats for the L1 pass swskier!

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The BASI SNB L4 was French compliant as it had the FIS points as part of the qualif. The French also had a snowboard "eurotest" slalom. Again all unnecessary, in theory, under the EU 2005 act.



This is the weird bit. The BASI SNB L4 still has FIS points in it, but is now no longer recognised. Nothing changed - the French weren't forced to hand out carte pros for it before Brexit - they did out of the goodness of their own hearts. I guess once they realised that there was no way to circumvent the Carte Pro requirement for Brits any more they immediately shut it down.

Now the BASI L4 has FIS points in it that serve absolutely no purpose - you don't need FIS points for an ISTD. Word on the street is that they'll be ditched, which would make completing a BASI L4 SNB much more attractive - no more travelling Europe for a year to prove a point.

IASI got back to me the other day and nobody's tried to use an IASI SNB 4 in France yet. No reason why it shouldn't be able to be forced through like a Swiss or German cert, but the precedent is not yet there. Be another load off the mind of any snowboarders who can get hold of an EU passport when that precedent is established - a de-facto route into France taught 100% in English.
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@AdamNotts, thank you.

Out of interest, does anyone know much about the Spanish Seasonal Worker visa?

https://www.spainvisa.eu/visa-types/work-visa/#How_to_get_a_Visa_to_Work_in_Spain

I'm tempted to do my L2 in Baqueira to try and make contacts if it's possible to get a seasonal visa out there.
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Email Tim Eyte of bb ski school, he would be able to point you in the right direction
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@skimottaret, that was who I was intending on making contacts with whilst doing my L2. I'll drop him a line beforehand anyway.
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Thanks Adam for coming back with that update
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So an update for anyone that's interested.

Summer was pretty busy with golf, holidays and weddings, so i've really struggled with my shadowing hours. I'd only managed about 5 hours before this weekend when I stayed overnight in Hemel after the ski test and spent almost all day shadowing on Sunday, which now gets me up to 11.25 hours.

Planning on getting up to Gloucester the next two Sundays which will get me another 5 or so hours, and then another full day at Hemel probably the 30th October and that'll comfortably tip me over the 20 hours needed for level 1.

I spent a whole weekend in the middle of September doing a First Aid course, so that aspect is done. I've also done an online child safeguarding course.

So just the final 8.75 hours and i'll be officially ticked off for my level 1.

I had hoped to try and do my level 2 this season, but realistically, I'm now looking at the start of Winter 22/23, maybe even a summer course to try and get some ad hoc work over the winter, thinking Interski type stuff (visa pending).

I'm starting some race training at Gloucester from next Monday, and plan on doing that most weeks if I can, and I've made up the decision to not renew my golf membership next year to try and focus on the skiing and see how I get on.

I think I'll try and get a zero hour teaching job at either Gloucester or Mendip Activity Centre after I've done a load more shadowing as I need the teaching experience, plus the hours as well to do level 2. With IASI you need a further 70 teaching/shadowing hours before going on the level 2 course.
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@swskier, interesting so IASI is 20 hours to get level 1? I think BASI is 35 to pass L1, then another 35 before going on the full L2 course.
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swskier wrote:
With IASI you need a further 70 teaching/shadowing hours before going on the level 2 course.


Hmmm. that's new, used to be 20 hours for L1 and a further 50 hours before sitting L2 for a total of 70. So you now have to do a 90 hours to get your L2 ? BASI only require 70 total for L2.

have fun with the remaining shadowing and teaching once your L1 is in the bag. snowHead
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... thinking Interski type stuff (visa pending).
Visa pending in the sense that you've applied for a work permit? Interski sent out an Instructor Recruitment email yesterday which said that they need instructors with an EU passport or proof of working rights for non-EU passport holders. I think for instructors with a UK passport and no Italian work permit the Interski option is closed off this coming season.
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@skimottaret, reading the website I read it that way, 70 hours total before you can do the Level 2 course. Ali at Ski Definition told me an additional 70 hours, so i'll check with IASI direct.

@rob@rar, Visa pending as in, i'll see what happens with visa's come next winter as I won't be able to get out there until 22/23 season, and perhaps things might have changed by then, you can live in hope!
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@rob@rar, Visa pending as in, i'll see what happens with visa's come next winter as I won't be able to get out there until 22/23 season, and perhaps things might have changed by then, you can live in hope!
OK, understand. I think there'll be more clarity next season than this coming season, although that might be a "definite no" rather than a "maybe no" that we seem to have now.
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OK, understand. I think there'll be more clarity next season than this coming season, although that might be a "definite no" rather than a "maybe no" that we seem to have now.


It's looking like companies are taking on Brit passport holders in non instructor positions from what i'm seeing on facebook groups, so fingers crossed, you never know.....
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skimottaret wrote:
swskier wrote:
With IASI you need a further 70 teaching/shadowing hours before going on the level 2 course.


Hmmm. that's new, used to be 20 hours for L1 and a further 50 hours before sitting L2 for a total of 70. So you now have to do a 90 hours to get your L2 ? BASI only require 70 total for L2.



reading the IASI website it seems to be 20 + 50, as others have said
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davidof wrote:
reading the IASI website it seems to be 20 + 50, as others have said


Have emailed Penny the membership admin to see what she thinks. Will report back.
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Have spoken to Penny and she's confirmed it's 20 + 50 as per how the website reads, so that's good in terms of me fitting it all in.
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@swskier, you owe me a coffee Smile well worth not having to do 20 hours of picking up kids on the magic carpet
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@swskier, you owe me a coffee Smile well worth not having to do 20 hours of picking up kids on the magic carpet


I've never been as hot and sweaty while skiing as I was on Sunday morning in Hemel picking two 4 year olds up! T shirt, Jumper, Coat combo was way too much, jumper quickly came off!
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skimottaret wrote:
@swskier, you owe me a coffee Smile well worth not having to do 20 hours of picking up kids on the magic carpet

Amongst the many things I learned whilst shadowing not turning up before about 11am was high on the list Wink
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Tubaski wrote:

Amongst the many things I learned whilst shadowing not turning up before about 11am was high on the list Wink


I got away ok on the first lesson, 8:15 a family of 4 with 2 kids that were about 8 and 10, it was the 9:45 2 x 4 year olds that got me! Laughing

Going forward I won't be there as early, purely because it's a 2.5 hour drive from home, whereas on Sunday I only had to go from the Premier Inn in Hemel.
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@swskier, you owe me a coffee Smile well worth not having to do 20 hours of picking up kids on the magic carpet


if you did your shadowing in France one of the first things you'd learn from the French instructors is not to pick up any kids Happy
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davidof wrote:
skimottaret wrote:
@swskier, you owe me a coffee Smile well worth not having to do 20 hours of picking up kids on the magic carpet


if you did your shadowing in France one of the first things you'd learn from the French instructors is not to pick up any kids Happy
Teaching the kids “self-reliance” is a great excuse if you’re an instructor protecting a back injury or can’t be bothered to walk up the hill to pick up a small child. Not so great for the rest of the class if they’re hanging around because one child is unwilling or unable to get back to their feet.
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Have just discovered/realised that the in laws new house is only 40 minutes away from Castleford, and we're going to go and visit next weekend.

Anyone have any contact for someone in the ski school there I can discuss going up and shadowing? If not I'll send an email to whatever generic email I can find on their website.
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@swskier, ive got he the head of personel somewhere (i used to teach there), ill dig it out for you, the site manager used to be a lady called julie orell i would assume you will be able to shadow no probs though
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@ajc2260626, thanks that would be very useful. If it's anything like Hemel, they like having people there to shadow!
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castleford a lot better slope and set up than hemel i worked at both.....
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@ajc2260626, having not been to Castleford, what about it do you find is better than Hemel?
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