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MapSki - App for finding your mates and navigating the slopes

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From the two apps i mentioned, zero of my group has an interest in installing either of them. They don't care about routes, gps, ticking off slopes, speed, etc.
Usually meet at the same place, etc. Which is usually decided on the first day...
even if there may be a better place! If lost, then look at a map.

I like iski because it has a wealth of information
I like 4riders because my other half will only do short reds as maximum, so try to mix it up for her.
For comms we use WhatsApp as a group.

So that should give you an idea in what you are up against.
Would i pay to buy the app as a one off? Maybe if it was a few quid
Would i install if it was free & there was tons of adverts? No
Would i install if it was subscription based? Probably not monthly/annually, but i may pay 99p to cover a trip!
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If you have 1 million users and you know when they are due to go skiing etc you can look to sell them lots - holidays, packages, transfers, snow wear, snow gear, snow hire, in resort offers etc.


It's not like Facebook where people are spending hours on per day. Most ski apps people switch on about 5mins before starting and switch back off as soon as they remember after their last run. In resort offers could work well, the rest I don't really see as most people book/buy all that stuff a long time in advance of actually skiing.

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Im not sure I agree with @boarder2020 about the ease at which groups can assemble as in all my ski memories its been more often than not to no find each other


I guess I don't understand the need to assemble?! Presumably you are skiing in separate groups because you have different abilities? So the only real reason to meet up would be lunch. Then you would likely want to go your own ways again. In which case "meet at [restaurant] at this time" works for most people. I mean piste maps by definition are designed to be as easy as possible to use, plus you have apps like WhatsApp where you can find each other. People even managed to meet up for lunch ok before we had phones and internet snowHead

I can see some examples where it could be useful. Families with teenage children looking to meet up up every couple of hours to make sure things are ok. But these are quite niche examples, not the kind of thing that is going to appeal to millions of downloads imo.

Of course that's just my experience. Maybe others find it much more problematic to use a piste map and plan ahead a bit.
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This discussion reminded me of this:
https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=149339&highlight=ski+nav
I still have that app installed on my mobile
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@boarder2020, Ince they are users youc an contact them before their next holiday so pre holiday sales are large.

Im not saying there is a use or not - its an idea and some float some sink. Purpose of this is to see if people here think sink or swim.

Ok I'll try and explain assemble loads of groups split for loads of reasons. No.1 is some are hung over and they dont get out of bed at the same time. Sure restaurant meetings are relatively decent and convenient but this is just easier.

You just click meet. Whereever your friends are on the mountain it brings you together more efficiently than maps or pre defined meets So considering you only would meet maybe once a day why not use an app once a day to do the job for you.

Getting home is also useful, Id definitely switch that on which meant I knew every time I could squeeze the last minute out of the day with certainty Id be able to turn back at the right time and without wasting any time with maps have my return navigated and communicated to me.
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@boarder2020, Im not denying some are very map minded and can look at a map only a few times and imprint it to their head.
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@Mr.Egg, In my opinion, it would need to free and you monetise from add ons post use. Be in in resort or post resort or pre next resort.
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@j b, interesting about strava considering if you are on a lift you are going UP and if skiing you are going DOWN! /quote]
You are right of course, although it would have to recognise the same lift for those that download.


I think it shows I am not myself a Strava user (or of anything else much) so have only a rudimentary awareness that it also records gradient data.
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From a professional point of view (launched several apps, currently working on a project with Universal):

99.9% of apps fail. The majority of successful ones have a HUGE budget to promote them, and work on a basis of, for example, “on average each user will make me £1.50 over the lifetime of the app, I will therefore spend on average £1 per download.” There’s normally a delay of 3 months from collection to pay out. And collection can happen any time on free apps, so you’ll need to put in at least a year for cash flow. If you think you need 1m users minimum, you’ll need an advertisement budget of £1m.

This doesn’t factor in the development cost or the cost of buying the mapping/piste/run info.

Servers.... if you want the app to cover every resort and have videos/photos, etc. You are going to need a MASSIVE server, and if it got to 1m users, a huge bandwidth.

You might be able to build the app for £20-30k (or 6-12 months of your time), but to make it successful, you’re going to need a massive Kickstarter or the backing of a massive company.

I think the idea of having resorts fly a drone down each run every day is completely unrealistic. The time and/or manpower needed simply to record this and then upload it for every run in every resort is eye watering, and as others have pointed out, would potentially only be relevant for a short time after it was recorded. Who would be expected to do/pay for this? Would the app pay people, or would the resort be expected to foot the bill?

I would also hazard a guess that suggesting routes for people without actually knowing their skiing ability could come with pretty hefty liabilities. What if the run was too difficult and they injured themselves? You would have different legal jurisdictions in different countries also.

From a personal point of view... I would probably download it, be not sure how much I’d use it. I certainly wouldn’t want an ear piece in. And if I absolutely needed them, I’d have to buy a set of AirPods. Not everyone with the app will have them, and limiting people to the functionality of an app because they haven’t got ancillaries won’t go down very well (probably more if it was a paid for app though).

I’d be worried about battery life and data usage. And what happens if I don’t have signal? Would the app still work, or would I be expected to install a huge app with lots of data preloaded?

Lastly, I like to plan where I am going when I’m on the lift. I don’t particularly want to get out my £850 phone to do this, which would mean taking my gloves of to hold my phone securely and to press the screen. Definitely wouldn’t want to do that if it was -15, and would much rather risk dropping a free bit of paper that I’d picked up from the apartment.
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You just click meet. Whereever your friends are on the mountain it brings you together more efficiently than maps or pre defined meets


The majority of the time groups want to meet is for a specific goal (i.e. ski a specific run, specific restaurant, viewpoint for packed lunch etc.). We don't want to meet together at some random useless point halfway down a run, even if that is most efficient to us all getting together. So I'd argue that "be at specific point at this time" is actually more efficient, providing those in the group are capable of using a piste map (which I think the vast majority of people are!).

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Getting home is also useful, Id definitely switch that on which meant I knew every time I could squeeze the last minute out of the day with certainty Id be able to turn back at the right time and without wasting any time with maps have my return navigated and communicated to me.


A route finding home app with ability to set preferences (e.g. only greens) might have some use for beginners. I'm not sure an app could guarantee you would make a last lift as it depends how fast you ski and the speed you skied one run earlier in the day is not necessarily reflective of how fast your ski the same run later in the day when it might have got some bumps, be more crowded by people heading home etc. I'm also not convinced that an app will know the exact number of minutes you will need to queue for each lift.

Like I said earlier though I think you are vastly overestimating how important each minute of the day is to the average skier. Most holiday skiers are knackered well before the end of the day and already back in their accomodation prior to last lifts, a nice relaxed lunch takes is more important to most than maximising ski time. Most seasonaires with the fitness for long days aren't bothered about losing a few minutes here or there or having 1 or 2 less runs over a day.
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@Timmycb5, I hadn't thought about this before but what is the liability of software advice. If, for example, as@boarder2020 suggested it takes longer than the app given time to make a connecting lift does the app vendor have to pay the the taxi fare? I suppose thas is why the signposts scattered all over La Plagne telling you what time to start heading back to Les Arcs are so generous, often suggesting start back times over an hour more than required (probably to cover for when the Arpette lift is really really bad).
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This doesn’t factor in the development cost or the cost of buying the mapping/piste/run info.

Servers.... if you want the app to cover every resort and have videos/photos, etc. You are going to need a MASSIVE server, and if it got to 1m users, a huge bandwidth.

You might be able to build the app for £20-30k (or 6-12 months of your time), but to make it successful, you’re going to need a massive Kickstarter or the backing of a massive company.

One way around this is to take the data from the existing resorts apps (piste maps, lift queues, open pistes, etc) along with https://openskimap.org giving piste names gradient etc and then repackage it.

For those of us missing our skiing, openskimap is fantastic to browse. For example the maximum slope of the blue mont blanc piste in les arcs is 49% whereas the nearby black slope Rouelles has a maximum of 52%, one degree steeper. Yes, one does feel like a black and one. a blue. It makes me want to check out others.
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@Timmycb5, I hadn't thought about this before but what is the liability of software advice. If, for example, as[b]@boarder2020 suggested it takes longer than the app given time to make a connecting lift does the app vendor have to pay the the taxi fare? I suppose thas is why the signposts scattered all over La Plagne telling you what time to start heading back to Les Arcs are so generous, often suggesting start back times over an hour more than required (probably to cover for when the Arpette lift is really really bad)[/b]
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This doesn’t factor in the development cost or the cost of buying the mapping/piste/run info.

Servers.... if you want the app to cover every resort and have videos/photos, etc. You are going to need a MASSIVE server, and if it got to 1m users, a huge bandwidth.

You might be able to build the app for £20-30k (or 6-12 months of your time), but to make it successful, you’re going to need a massive Kickstarter or the backing of a massive company.

One way around this is to take the data from the existing resorts apps (piste maps, lift queues, open pistes, etc) along with https://openskimap.org giving piste names gradient etc and then repackage it.

For those of us missing our skiing, openskimap is fantastic to browse. For example the maximum slope of the blue mont blanc piste in les arcs is 49% whereas the nearby black slope Rouelles has a maximum of 52%, one degree steeper. Yes, one does feel like a black and one. a blue. It makes me want to check out others.


Not sure, but suggesting someone goes down a slope attracts an element liability. You could caveat your way out of it by getting the user to agree that they are a competent skier, and apply a margin of difficulty for safety, but the runs would end up being risk averse and could go away from the original idea.
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@johnE, thanks for alerting me to Openskimap which I am going to have to exlore further. I am sure I am not the only one who occasionally gets frustrated by the distortions in resort piste maps and wonder what the topographical relationships are in reality.

First browse showed that it includes a couple of curiosities: lifts that are only in the planning stage (though whether they will actually see the light of day is another matter). Ones I spotted include the proposed entry gondola to the Grand Massif area from the Arve Valley, and a possible link (not even sure it has reached a serious planning stage) between Grand Massif and Portes du Soleil.

But on topic, I agree there is data right there to create an App, and if that App could be refined by user tracks as they happen it would get quite reliable. So doable ... but there must be a question over the commercial viability.
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@j b, "First browse showed that it includes a couple of curiosities: lifts that are only in the planning stage (though whether they will actually see the light of day is another matter). Ones I spotted include the proposed entry gondola to the Grand Massif area from the Arve Valley, and a possible link (not even sure it has reached a serious planning stage) between Grand Massif and Portes du Soleil."

The one into Flaine was established as a service lift during the build phase of Flaine for direct routing materials to the ridge just above the village. Recently been talk of establishing passenger use as the route is verified but no equipment in place.

Link to PdS is essentially up through the village of Verchaix which is opposite Morillon in the Giffre valley. The road goes up and into Les Gets extended ski area as you can walk, mtb it as I understand it. Verchaix is also in the Les Gets commune I believe although in a separate valley, hence the proposed connection. They've been talking about this one for at least 15 years.
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@j b, I prefer the similar OpenSnowMap - the topography has better colour shadings, and it tends to load quicker.

http://www.opensnowmap.org/
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@ski3, interesting to hear the Flaine link has actually existed in the past - I assume it was freight only. I liked the idea, on the basis day skiers from Geneva and Annemasse could use the train to access skiing. (I think there is a similar motivation, in part, to St Gervais proposing a link from the Le Fayet rail station to the Bettex lift, though in that case it would also enhance commercial development of Le Fayet which is part of the St Gervais commune).

For Flaine-PdS, the dashed route was a little different from the one you give, from Samoens up to join the red run off Chamossiere. I am not sure whether your route would go to somewhere nearby or to somewhere on Ranfoilly. In both cases I suspect they would need to be two-way, the prospects for a piste on a south-facing slope ending well under 1000m aren't great. (Magland-Flaine would also be two way, but the rationale is better as an entry point from an easy-access base).


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I'm struggling to imagine how the meet up functionality would work in reality. I get the idea from the point of view of the person requesting the meet, but what about the others in the group, scattered across the mountain. Do they get orders to change direction, half way down a piste? What if they don't want to meet up yet, does the app get increasingly angry and keep telling them to do a u turn when they ignore its orders?
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i do think it is a good idea , if the app is easy to use and foc , i would say at least every day of skiing we lose someone in the groupand spend half an hour trying to explain which route they need to take to meet us or we take a wrong turn when trying to find a specific restaurant . based on no other logic that your app will reduce the amount of time and stress in those circumstances i would say it would be a great idea . hopefully you can fine tune it get the funding and make it a reality
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mgrolf wrote:
I'm struggling to imagine how the meet up functionality would work in reality. I get the idea from the point of view of the person requesting the meet, but what about the others in the group, scattered across the mountain. Do they get orders to change direction, half way down a piste? What if they don't want to meet up yet, does the app get increasingly angry and keep telling them to do a u turn when they ignore its orders?


That's be especially annoying in this situation...

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Ok I'll try and explain assemble loads of groups split for loads of reasons. No.1 is some are hung over and they dont get out of bed at the same time.


Yeah, we're going to head back rolling eyes
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How about re-focusing the USP of your app away towards resorts? A lot of resorts don't have apps; or the apps they do have are pretty ropey. But what the resorts do control is the real-time information. But in my experience, it's obvious they don't have the time/money/experience to contract the app that skiers need. Our resort app has got worse - not better - over time, because they think people want funky activity targets: when what they really want are quick-click to the webcams, updated lists of runs and lifts open/closed, and to book their pass on the way to the resort, by-passing the ticket office. Perhaps cafés and restaurant fullness, Instructor availability & rates etc. etc. V.1 of our local app had friend tracking and they dropped it in V.2

If you came up with a Ski Resort platform you might get more traction. This would allow the resort to easily set up maps, lifts, pistes, restaurant menus, webcams, parking, etc. and update them quickly when conditions change. Plus be able to send out important alerts about bad weather, closures etc. You could allow for a branding wrap and instead of having to spend a fortune on contracting a bunch of developers who probably don't have a clue about the market, they'd be able you use your platform and have their customers just download the associated app. For smaller resorts, they'd be able to get a resort-specific-looking app for a fraction of the cost of developing one themselves.

And don't forget about summer. If you offered bike trail info, lifts, walking routes, and status updates that would be a discriminator.

My thinking here is that you really need the resort to buy into the app for it to work better than the generic competitors. So if they have to buy in, then incentivise them to commit by giving them something they want: which is a cheap platform that provides a useful, resort-specific service. For which the resort will have to pay a purchase and subscription charge. But a charge that is much less than going it alone and doing their own application development and then continued updates every year. They also benefit from the experience gained at other resorts, which will get incorporated into annual updates.

Just a thought.
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Interesting concept that seems to be based on a personal scenario where you’ve been separated and lost trying to find friends etc. I don’t know about everyone else, but when I go skiing, we just jump on a lift, get off at the top then head down a run and all ski together, then repeat. There may be 5 minutes downtown when on a lift and you consult a map and then plan the next 3/4/5 runs and lifts and then go and do them. The only time I “plan” where to ski it at the end of the day to ensure I can get back to where I need to be with plenty of time
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Not convinced by the "meet at the optimum place" idea. Even if limited to a restaurant etc you might find in say Courchevel that it is £££. Being able to specify a time and location for say lunch, with the app telling you when (and how) to start heading in that direction, might have some merit. But even that has some functional challenges. Ideally it would know how fast you ski on different slopes, or learn/refine that over a week - but then somehow allow for the slowest member of the group on that particular day. And not sure how it would allow for you being "on schedule" (so no messages) but then you make an unexpected turn and so become 30 minutes late - unless it immediately tells you to stop and walk back up 100m!
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My 2ct:

1. The usefulness of such an app depends heavily of everyone having it. Which isn't even the case for Whatsapp. Seems like a rather steep hill to climb.

2. I would never ski with an earpiece.
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Do I have to ski/board with my phone in my hand to direct me to my group? I've never really found apps that useful when on the mountain, but maybe I'm missing something.
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unless it immediately tells you to stop and walk back up 100m!


"If possible, make a U turn", as my sat nav used to say (often!) Laughing
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@Tristero, ITs a free app it takes 20 seconds to d/l and only one per group need it
As for ear piece, it is an addition - fundamentally this is still an interactive visual map. So you can take your phone out of your pocket and look at it quicker than you can to take a map out of your pocket and unfold it. It instantly shows you where you are and where you are getting to and how to get there. It highlights the routes and lifts you need to take.
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@porkpiefox, No - you can look at the directions and memorise it as you would do with a paper ski map and whenever you took your phone out it would update with where you are highlighted or you could set notifcations for an ear piece or headphones etc if you wear them.
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@maggi, Re-routing - re-routing, messaging Jeff to say you'll be late! Now for instance Jeff doesnt need to wait for you and you can 'chase' him with it bringing you progressively closer to him.

Honestly I only see this app being used twice a day buy most to meet up once and to get home.

I personally like both as whilst sure meet up at X is fine - this way its ski where ever do whatever and when we want to meet just one person who probably listens to music anyway put the headphones on notifications and lead the way.

As for getting home, again it gives the freedom just to jump into a system not care where you are going and then safely just turn on 'home James'

If users just use it twice a day and then in the evening look at some of the reporting data it is a huge huge success.
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So you can take your phone out of your pocket and look at it quicker than you can to take a map out of your pocket and unfold it.

UM! except you usually look at a map while sitting on a lift. Would you take your phone out on lift?
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except you usually look at a map while sitting on a lift. Would you take your phone out on lift?


Some resorts have started putting plastic piste maps on the pull down bars on lifts. Hopefully more resorts will go down this route as it's far more convenient than faffing with phones and paper maps.
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I've never really found apps that useful when on the mountain, but maybe I'm missing something.


That's why I'm skeptical. Ski tracks is the only ski app I'd say is at all popular with the people I've skied with (but even with those few it is usually just reserved for a day or two a season when they go out to beat their "PBs" e.g. top speed, most vert in a day, most km etc.).

The Strava guys that like having all the numbers and data just use their GPS/smart watches which have a number of advantages over phone app.

For navigation piste maps have always been enough for me and the people I've skied with. Resorts are designed to be as easy to navigate as possible, most have plenty of signs up. Even missing a turn is unlikely to be catastrophic - probably just means 10mins late and most people's time is not that important (if it is you probably don't want to be skiing in a group anyway as they will just be slowing you down).

I think an app that sets routes and basic navigation could be good for nervous beginners. At the start of the day they could feed into the app their perceived ability, how many hours they want to ski for, if they want to stop for lunch etc. And the app could suggest an itinerary for them and provide some basic navigation.

I suspect for many part of the joy of skiing is that it feels like a bit of an adventure and it's time in nature away from screens. I think the idea of sat nav guiding you around takes away some of that for many of us. Particularly stronger skiers who are not worried about ending up on a red run and enjoy a bit of discovery - oh that run over there looks nice, let's see where it goes.

Perhaps I'm in the minority though. I suspect what @plectrum really needs is some market research. I actually think snowheads are probably not your apps target audience so you may get different feedback elsewhere.
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So you can take your phone out of your pocket and look at it quicker than you can to take a map out of your pocket and unfold it.

UM! except you usually look at a map while sitting on a lift. Would you take your phone out on lift?


That probably the biggest issue for me. If I ever do have to get my phone out on the lift, I'm always nervous of dropping it, and that was before I upgraded to an iPhone 11!
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@boarder2020, i agree with much of what you say but equally the fact is we do look at a paper map and we all carry our phone with us. Dropping your phone on a ski lift is as unlikely as dropping your ski pole sure it may happen but i generally see one pole dropped per trip out of millions of skiers (and I bet there is more people losing their phone drunk at the Apres Ski!)

I think if digital offers more than paper then it is worth investment into that upgrade.

I guess lots of updates such as which Apres Ski has live music that day or how the restaurants are graded on style or price or even availability.

Which pistes have been rated as very good for different types of skiiers based on live feedback.

There is already proprietary software to link ski lift activity with maps so as to give awareness of queues but this can be more sophisticated and actually aid resorts by looking to try and guide or offer advice so as to minimise time waited queuing.

..... I just hold the belief that anything a bit of paper can do a phone can do and more so surely there is a value in putting thjat to work, it is only restricted by the amount and quality of data at the end of the day.
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p.s. this is a very old idea from around 20 years ago - kinda wished id just started it then! lol at the same time I was one of the first to pitch for the idea of printing the ski map onto a lens cloth.

I see this as still a very viable option and actually a very good marketing technique - the lens cloth is sponsored on the rear as well as being part subsidised by the resort as well as our app and given for free as it is owned by the app and promotes the app.
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@Timmycb5,

So many here stating nervousness about pulling the phone out! Noone is nervous to pull their pack of fags out! ROFL! Seriously though Im always doing so and dont quite grasp this nervousness. Remove glove unzip pocket clasp phone take out use put back in pocket zip pocket. It we cant handle this coordination then how on earth do we manage all to ski those gnarly blacks with consummate perfection!!!

Lol - thanks for the feedback - I do grasp that snow-heads may represent a very specific part of the market, experienced and well versed to navigating the mountain but those also often are group leaders and some times also perhaps it is ncie to say look ive turned this app on you turn yours ive taken you to an easy area of the mountain its all blues, ski where you like im off for 2 hours to blitz and ive set a meeting point just stick a head phone in in 90 mins or look at the screen and it will tell you exactly how to get there easily and safely.

See ya .....


Perhaps if via this post some are convinced and others are at least open to this development then it really has actual legs for the wider market.
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So you can take your phone out of your pocket and look at it quicker than you can to take a map out of your pocket and unfold it.

UM! except you usually look at a map while sitting on a lift. Would you take your phone out on lift?


That probably the biggest issue for me. If I ever do have to get my phone out on the lift, I'm always nervous of dropping it, and that was before I upgraded to an iPhone 11!


I guess now that phones are nearly the size of ski lifts it is slightly harder to elegantly remove, use and replace from pocket. The lifts though may no longer be the place to do the map checking.

Many do so at the top of lifts crowding around the big ski map boards. I guess if youve already chosen your 2 horus of routes then you can pull your phone and just see where you are at a glance and the routes you have to take flashing or highlighted and in a side bar the names of those runs in order and lifts.

This is very useful just as a prompt too?

With or without in ear prompts which I know many feel isnt desirable but many do ski with music nowadays and so many have air pods that if a subtle message came into your ear at just prior to forks new runs etc or at lift station bases then it would perhaps be fine.

Dont forget the normal is one of your mates shouting at you across a piste take the next run to the right or its the lift at the bottom or the group leader flailing an outstretched pole in a direction!
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Dropping your phone on a ski lift is as unlikely as dropping your ski pole sure it may happen but i generally see one pole dropped per trip out of millions of skiers (and I bet there is more people losing their phone drunk at the Apres Ski!)

You are clearly from a different group of skiers than I am. I am amazed at the number of dropped ski poles. On many lifts just looking down you'd see a number of dropped poles under the bits you can't ski back to. The odd glove as well. OK poles are 20 or 30 € a pair whereas mobile phones cost more so perhaps people do take more care of them. I have also to confess I rarely take my mobile phone out of my pocket when skiing, only looking at it at lunch (terrible manners - sorry). I have one friend who never takes one with him at all while skiing. I agree with him in that cruising down a really nice run and your phone goes off is really anoying.
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I think most of us could use a phone on a lift successfully 99.9% of the time. That doesn't mean it's not a slight cause for anxiety, or wouldn't be a massive pita that 0.1% of the time it's dropped. So I'd rather use a paper map for now on lifts - with the added benefit I don't need to take my gloves off like I would for a phone screen. I suspect more resorts will start putting maps on chairlift bars though anyway as a means to get rid of papers maps and solving the problem.

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I guess if youve already chosen your 2 horus of routes


Many times I've been out with a group where on the first chair we are planning out the day (all had a few seasons at the resort so navigation was not an issue, just picking best runs and order). The plan inevitably got scrapped almost instantly most days (oh that face is already kind of tracked, north sides skiing much better than south due to wind loading, oh that run was good want to redo it). Perhaps in a euro megaresort when you want to ski from let's say courcheval to Val t and back it might work (although plenty manage it just fine as it is without apps!). But I'm not sure blindly following an app is going to result in the best skiing - which is what most experienced skiers are looking for Vs what is the most efficient way to get from here to here.
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What’s wrong with the vastly underrated Acme referees’ whistle as a search and find device?
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IMO this is creating something that will only attract a very tiny niche of snow sports users.
Assemble:
If large groups go away skiing together, then split up into several smaller groups for the day, it is usually down to ability and/or keenness. They idea that they will all want to meet up, for anything other than lunch, is remote.
Getting Home:
Every lift has a “time of last lift” signposted as you get on. A quick squint at the piste map will tell you you are 3 lifts from home (or whatever). It is rare that you will have a great deal of choice in alternative routes home anyway. [may be useful, for some, if an alarm was to beep before you got on a certain lift, warning that you might not make it back to the last lift before home in time]

The live feedback concept from drones is fanciful. As is the idea of slope users giving feedback at the end of each run.

As I regularly just ski with my wife as a couple, and occasionally with our girl and her man, it wouldn’t offer anything that would interest me enough to download it.
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