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Is This Season Going To Happen for The British ???

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We confirmed today with our apartment booking in Alpe de Suisi for the end of March that we won’t be going. Lots of good wishes each way between us and them. Sad...
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Finally admitted defeat and moved our booking to Easter 2022 Sad
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LaForet wrote:
ed123 wrote:
LaForet wrote:
ed123 wrote:
LaForet wrote:
Yes, about time we had a holiday, come what may. A few more tens of thousands of dead people is neither here nor there now we'd buried 120,000, and routine NHS surgery delayed for another six months is well worth it.


I do hope you'll be putting your hand up to be one of them.

You're saying you wish me dead?


Not at all- only that if you are prepared to make that sort of assessment then you should be willing to e one yourself. A basic tenet of a Rawlsian sense of natural justice. Alternatively you should be prepared to get a job turning COVID patients in your local ICU. Although you are quite clearly saying that from your point of view a holiday (for you) is worth a few tens of thousands of (other) people dying. I have never heard anyone say that sort of thing before- go and have a little think about yourself.

You understand I was being ironic?

If you'd read any of my previous posts you'd have realised that this was the case. Rather than wishing me dead. Which I feel no amount of circuitous logic can really justify.

Let me explain: I was responding to those posting with the premis that 120,000 covid deaths, or 72,000 excess deaths, or 29,000 care home deaths is somehow not significant in relation to the total population. I disagree strongly with this. I also disagree with the assumption that we could have avoided massive economic impact of covid if we'd just carried on as normal. There was never a 'deaths vs jobs' equation in operation: the UK was going to be hit hard by redundancies and business closures, whatever we did. If you'd looked at some of my earlier posts, then you'd have realised this was my position, to the extent that some Members were complaining that I was banging on a bit about this on what is primarily a skiing-related forum, rather than a political platform. On a by-then-44-page thread, it would perhaps be have been useful to read from at least a couple of pages back, to understand the context of the discussion.

So it looks like one of those typical Forum misunderstandings. Where both sides read posts as overtly offensive when that was never the intention, but react as if it was. And it goes downhill from there.

I'm sure everyone else would just be relieved if we can go back to commenting more directly on the subject of the thread. To which end:
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Is this season going to happen for the British?

No. I just don't see the necessary conditions being in place in time for most of us to get out to The Alps this 2020-21 winter season.

Most people aren't going to have been double-vaccinated by Easter (4th April). I'm 67 and this won't happen for me until 1st May. Add another 3 weeks for full effect. Travel insurers and destination countries are likely to need this to apply as a basic criteria for entrance. And that's before any additional requirements for testing before arriving in the Alps and then arriving back in the UK.

Perhaps if you have been fully vaccinated already, then it's just possible the insurers and Alpine countries and UK will all agree that a vaccination certificate plus tests will allow you to avoid quarantine. But the window must be closing on this.


Hi- I'm really sorry.

I wasn't wishing you dead though (I'd reserve that for a very few - who are mostly dead anyway- Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot - a good few others actually - but you get the gist).

Yes you are right regards irony and misunderstanding in fora like this. Tone of voice and all the non-verbals are lost and they convey so much.

Again - sorry.
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j b wrote:
ed123 wrote:
... a Rawlsian sense of natural justice...

One of the benefits of Snowheads is serependitiously introducing us to whole topics previously unknown to us. For whcih thanks.

(But don't test me on it, at first look it is massively more complicated than your simple explanation of its implication).


Great- the bit that is important is the thought experiment in which principles of justice would be chosen behind a veil of ignorance; the parties select principles that will determine the basic structure of the society they will live in. This choice is made from behind a veil of ignorance, which would deprive participants of information about their particular characteristics: his or her ethnicity, social status, gender and, crucially, their conception of the good. This forces participants to select principles impartially and rationally.

i.e. what rules would you choose to live by if you had no idea who they would effect you as an individual- the rules you should choose for everyone are the ones you'd be happy with yourself. Seems fair- justice as fairness.

So regards COVID- arguments should be made blind to how they would effect you- for example- I am a healthy well off person with no physical health comorbidities, a normal BMI, white ethnicity, with no living relatives in old age / infirm, I live alone and have an income affected by lockdown, would be quite a partial position to argue from if the argument was obviously for the betterment of oneself- and to the detriment of others.

Needless to say it is a somewhat abstract construct.

Back on topic- we are all doomed. A few might ski in the Arctic in summer?

Will next season happen for many of us?

Expensive / price gouging / busy / odd?
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I suspect that this season wont even happen in Scotland now.

Grim
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@GreenDay, yes I was in hope of a few days in March/ April but looks like I'll be stuck in Fife until all the snow is away Crying or Very sad Now looking a bit iffy for our bike packing trip in May up north following today's announcements on going down the tiers
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Just rebooked a flight scheduled with easyJet for April to Geneva. Now booked for early December to Innsbruck with some early skiing in either Obergurgl or Stubai as the open idea, keeping our fingers crossed on that one. First season since 1983 that we've not been able to ski - on reflection we count ourselves lucky and look forward to next season.
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@ed123, thanks, that concise explanation is really good. In a sense it is my instinctive approach - except that I do have human bias.

And yes, for skiers it is all about next season now. If things keep moving in the direction they are now without some new impediment, skiing should be possible next year but there may be some restrictions continuing. I would still be nervous if, for example, I was wedded to the idea of traditional catered chalets.
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ed123 That's a very generous response. I certainly have learned that I probably need to put a bit more context in any post, just for clarity. And that perhaps it is unreasonable to expect people to work back through pages and pages of postings to see what I've posted earlier. I think everyone is just getting a bit fed up as well with having missed out on a season. Even if, in the grand scheme of things, we are very lucky if this is all we have to worry about.
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@LaForet, not at all. Glad you saw it. I was going to pm you also (but didn't).

Yes we are all absolutely fed up and bored.
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GreenDay wrote:
I suspect that this season wont even happen in Scotland now.

Grim
I'm still holding out a small hope for the end of April, early May. Self-catering, obviously. I'll get my second jab by the 14th April. Mind you, will they think it worth opening the lifts, even if they allow the English entry. At least Boris looks like allowing us to go to the border.
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Seems that Cairngorm will continue with the policy of not operating under Level 4 restrictions, which must pretty much cancel the season there given the reliance on low level surface uplift at present (they have only opened the odd day without the Carpark T-bar or Ridge Poma) and the expectation of no part of mainland Scotland being below level 4 before late April.

For residents of relevant local authorities, a little bit more hope that uplift may resume under Level 4 Lockdown as per pre 5th Jan, but the very earliest re-opening date under level 4 restrictions from what can currently be ascertained is Fri 12th March, and if that comes and goes with no relevant reduction in the enhanced restrictions currently applicable to level 4, then Fri 5th April would be the next potential chance (given the intended 3 week staging of changes including phased education return). If not then, it seems likely that uplift will remain prohibited in level 4 and a return to level 3 or below will be required.

Worth keeping an eye on the Scottish Government dashboard map by local authority - here - can't link directly, follow link then click through to interactive dashboard .

Not just the overall prevalence, but some notable hotspots in the large mainly rural local authorities of Highland and Aberdeenshire which contain the ski areas (along with half the Lecht in Moray) likely need to fall more inline with the overall quite low prevalence across these authorities before uplift is likely to be OK'd again.

Of course the weather will be a factor, things do unfortunately have a bit of a feeling of a front loaded with with a spring easing to lockdown vs a back loaded winter with a spring start to lockdown last season! Sad However we look like going into a perhaps a week or more of benign high pressure dominated weather, if the models are right with high pressure centered over or at least very close to Scotland there should be little further change in snow cover and there could be some decent overhead for touring once again for those in local authorities that have access to high enough terrain to still have reasonable snow cover.

So far as access to the ski area bases for touring / hike access the Cairngorm ski road is shut at the Glenmore snow gates and will remain so indefinitely. Only residents from the local authority that the ski area bases are in (or immediately adjacent local authority where your start point is within 5 miles of your council boundary*) can legally access the ski areas for touring. People have been fined for breaching the 5 mile rule by relatively modest amounts, Argyll and Bute residents starting an ascent of Buachaille Etive Mòr from Altnafeadh some 2 1/2 miles beyond the 5 mile mark being a newsworthy example, so if you are going to breach the 5 mile rule doing so ill equipped, fuking up and then calling out mountain rescue isn't the best idea! Laughing
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@snowball, I foresee an issue that may delay visits from England is that HM Government have abandoned the English Tiers. As a first relaxation the intention before the new variant took off was that travel from Tier 1 and Tier 2 areas would be permitted to level 0,1 and 2 areas in Scotland. But now if there is going to be no tiers in England, a few higher prevalence areas could delay recreational / holiday travel into and from Scotland for/to all of England, particularly given the way things unraveled last summer.
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I foresee an issue that may delay visits from England is that HM Government have abandoned the English Tiers
"They think it's all over"....It's certainly looking that way Confused
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haggishunter wrote:
@snowball, I foresee an issue that may delay visits from England is that HM Government have abandoned the English Tiers. As a first relaxation the intention before the new variant took off was that travel from Tier 1 and Tier 2 areas would be permitted to level 0,1 and 2 areas in Scotland. But now if there is going to be no tiers in England, a few higher prevalence areas could delay recreational / holiday travel into and from Scotland for/to all of England, particularly given the way things unraveled last summer.


It doesn't really matter what happens to the tiers in England - once across the border the law of Scotland applies - and if that says no travelling outwith your local authority area then you will be stopped and fined for travelling from England.
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colinstone wrote:
BBC R4 World at One. Today the results of a Scottish analysis of 1 m doses from Dec - so elderly. OAZ achieved 94% reduction in hospital admissions, PBTech 85% reduction.
Not invented here syndrome.
Swiss have similar problem. I'll happily take it off their hands!!


https://www.strath.ac.uk/whystrathclyde/news/vaccineroll-outworkingfirstnationalstudysuggests/
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MCL wrote:
@GreenDay, yes I was in hope of a few days in March/ April but looks like I'll be stuck in Fife until all the snow is away Crying or Very sad Now looking a bit iffy for our bike packing trip in May up north following today's announcements on going down the tiers


Join the club. However I did sneak in a day of touring in the Lomands. I was not the only person either. Though making the car park required winter tyres (I saw four wheel drive vehicles fail) and chains if you where in a front wheel drive. I doubt a rear wheel drive would have made it. I could not make it till Saturday by which time the wind and moved the snow about. It would have been epic on the Thursday and the tracks jutting above the snow attested to that.
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