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100% agree with you Scooter. I wouldnt F about slowing people down, i was hoping it was pretty quick to set up and go.
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Nothing on the market is even close to being able to do follow-me in cat-ski environment (generally lots of trees / other obstacles). I haven't really tried mine snowboarding generally, but would be very surprised if it managed to catch more than a few seconds before losing track. Follow me works OKish on MTB if the trail is relatively straight and not in the trees. Still unreliable though.

On the other hand, footage from a half-decent drone operator is on another planet to go-pro footage if you can spare the time to set-up and fly. When I'm bike guiding, I shoot some guest footage from time to time. Usually we'll have 2 guides with the group, so I'll send my colleague ahead with the clients following. I'll film, land the drone, pack it up and catch-up. I'm generally slick enough to catch the slowest client before they get to the bottom of the trail so the clients get some good footage without having to wait around and without any reduction in guiding effectiveness (as I'm still sweeping up at the back if anyone has a problem and my colleague is leading from the front).
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@stevomcd, the Skydio is meant to be able to follow well with obstacles.

A high wind test from a non pro here, not a lot to avoid but does well around the lighthouse in crazy winds!


http://youtube.com/v/dK6gAjGsXtw

and some MTB tree avoidance


http://youtube.com/v/sXxijpHqs10&t=80s
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kitenski wrote:
... the Skydio is meant to be able to follow well with obstacles.
...
and some MTB tree avoidance
<laughs> marketing's great, but those people don't pay for their stuff.
They sometimes pay for catskiing trips, but for reasons already given, it's not happening there even if it worked, which it won't.
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@philwig, you seem to have a big downer on skydio?? Dcrainmaker ain’t payed to test it at all.
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Gotta agree with @philwig, regardless of if it is marketing reviews / paid product testing I am very skeptical the skydio would work while skiing trough trees

Most if not all drone footage of cat skiing is done on an FPV you cannot get the speed agility otherwise.
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do you think skiing is just too fast?

I'm 100% sure dcrainmaker isn't paid to review, he shows it following him as he runs thru trees about 4mins 16secs into this, tight trees at 5:35

cycling and trees @ 8:06 onwards

mtb and trees 9:45


http://youtube.com/v/PW-zR_WGoDg
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kitenski wrote:
do you think skiing is just too fast?

I'm 100% sure dcrainmaker isn't paid to review


He says he's not paid to review and I don't have any reason to believe otherwise. The Skydoo drone you link to does look good although at 1500 euros it should be. I've not seen many reviews though. You see the limits in DCR' video, not really AI as it can't navigate the obvious path and he has drone anxiety looking around to see if it is still there.

I wish he'd get someone to overdub his voice, I have to ask my dog to translate. I have to watch those videos with the sound down and CC on.
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I think there are a number of issues with skiing - there is the speed, there is the sudden change in direction of the skier left / right, especially as you work the terrain if there are rollers etc, there is the complication of the terrain change the drone also has to adjust height. On top of this all I would assume the sunlight and bright white surface does not help to create an identifiable object that needs to be tracked - similar to issues with DJI and skydio had with water - "Unlike solid ground, visual navigation is less reliable over water because of the constant changes in geometry and texture"

On the assumption that Skydio is the best commercial drone with tracking available - look at the performance here and then imagine it in trees.

Starts @02:15


http://youtube.com/v/i4dyTBb5LU4&t=136s


I found this video supposedly of skydio being used for heli skiing - suspicious of the fact there is not one long shot and the guys skiing are going pretty slow and you can see it loses the subject a number of times


http://youtube.com/v/Mxs8gCfOUGE

A further video skiing - again losing the subject


http://youtube.com/v/_u4j9AsQrKA
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Drone footage, as others have said means the pilot does the work and gets a few seconds per outing of your mates but not you. You can’t teach a buddy how to pilot a drone on a descent so resign yourselves to drone pilots filming others.
360 cameras work for me and allow you to ski and film in ego-land easily and without disturbing or delaying others, at all. You can happily pass a 360 on an invisible selfie stick to another capable skier and get good selfie shots and great tracking shots.
Stitching drone and 360 shots, yes please.
MaviC Pro & MaviC Air (love the way it autocorrects to Mavis) and Insta 360 and GoPro Max.
I would never dream of taking and flying a drone on a cat-ski day.
Droning when ski touring is great: you can stop, fly, catch up, look over cliffs, no time pressures
Follow me is killed by no altitude descent: I have wanted to position the drone maybe 100m below top of pitch and ski down 200m vert - steep Couloirs look super-steep face on like that and drone doesn’t need to track and pilot can ski.
Basically drone flying and skiing at the same time are a huge faff. 360 is easy as pie.
360 short bursts are best:
Lap 7 in la Petite Balme from Grinning
https://vimeo.com/328668991
GoPro max from Grinning
https://vimeo.com/461513720
Balme from Grinning
https://vimeo.com/464029562

Drone: landscapes fab:
Norway April 2019 from Grinning
https://vimeo.com/334200467 used the drone to find out where the cornice was at 2:00
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@Grinning, casual front roll from your snowboard mate there Razz
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@Grinning, casual front roll from your snowboard mate there Razz

Hee-hee - I left the door to his personal white room fully open. We did 11 rotations that day. Good day
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A bit on drones on @FreeFloFloss, YouTube channel this week...


http://youtube.com/v/ynmAiDNJRP0
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adithorp wrote:
A bit on drones on @FreeFloFloss, YouTube channel this week...



"so yeah, first tip like, er, you nee to buy an autofollo dro if you wanna be follo, yeah, not a lorra people know that"

Well that was really useful. Next up, you need skis to go skiing !
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Giving up on the drone idea as its just not partical. I am hoping gopro have a 2 year product cycle on the 360 max camera so will wait until early winter to see if they replace it with a newer model and who knows there might be a drone game changer lunched on the market before then.
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Just thought I’d leave these here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CLZ7o3DIYcP/?igshid=1tn2ruko8k86e

https://www.instagram.com/p/CLO-rRDoVVw/?igshid=1c94ltfyqvtef
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Incidentally, that Skydio footage is actually pretty impressive, but it still doesn’t have a hope in hell of following someone either skiing or mountain biking at pace in trees.
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stevomcd wrote:
Just thought I’d leave these here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CLZ7o3DIYcP/?igshid=1tn2ruko8k86e https://www.instagram.com/p/CLO-rRDoVVw/?igshid=1c94ltfyqvtef

Those are ace @stevomcd, Assume you’re the pilot and filming your buddies.
I would love to capture that sort of self-footage from the drone.
Post-Covid resolution is to teach my ski buddies to fly & film!
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@stevomcd, very nice videos! How was that filmed and with what kit??
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Had no probs launching mavic mini from altitude higher than 3000m


http://youtube.com/v/I3gOfDtt4y4

Nowadays FPV drones becoming very popular, but their require dedicated operator, I like idea of having mavic mini as flying tripod so could film myself having controller in the jacket pocket (without the sticks). This is for offpiste scenario of course where no people around.

Been practising with the bike Smile

http://youtube.com/v/0pKaksAh-fE
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Hi @ed48, - lovely footage.
1st video. Not viewed 2nd.
That drone was being flown by a pilot, yes?
There is no following happening of any one target that I can see unless it is locked, then lost?
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stevomcd wrote:
Incidentally, that Skydio footage is actually pretty impressive, but it still doesn’t have a hope in hell of following someone either skiing or mountain biking at pace in trees.


Fabulous! That cross run looks epic snowHead
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Cheers guys, yeah, they’re all filmed by me, manually piloting my Mavic Air.

If I’m out on my own, I sometimes pop the drone up to a nice angle and just ride past it, either capture a few seconds of video or just grab some stills. 4K video stills make pretty decent photos! E.g. https://www.instagram.com/p/CLKSZYpFMx3/?igshid=1kmvo4srjv3t2

I’ve had the drone for about three years now, but I’ve hardly done any snowboard filming with it. Probably still wouldn’t if the lifts were open. Since there’s nobody around and no time pressure, we’ve been taking the chance to get some good images.

I mostly use it for bike stuff, e.g. https://www.instagram.com/p/CE4x7LvCmWl/?igshid=7zrhx41rlm2s

Bike stuff is easier as you know exactly where the rider is going, so you can stay a bit tighter. Plus the speeds (especially the vertical speeds) are lower.

I’ve had pretty mixed results with ActiveTrack for solo filming, but it works ok on linear, unobstructed trails: https://www.instagram.com/p/BkNiKQBBcAM/?igshid=1vqzr8zmnbnz6
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That last bike vid is pretty cool. You managed to get it to descend in active track mode? And did you take off the sticks and stash the controller in your pack?
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Yeah, controller in the pack. Tried using phone-only control (then you can lock the phone) but the range is too short.

I guess it is dropping height in that film. That’s on side-on activetrack. Maybe the drone not changing height is a myth? I didn’t do anything special. Whether the drone can drop or not, the main problem is that the max vertical speed is 1.5m/s. You can drop much faster than that on snow.
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stevomcd wrote:
Yeah, controller in the pack. Tried using phone-only control (then you can lock the phone) but the range is too short.

I guess it is dropping height in that film. That’s on side-on activetrack. Maybe the drone not changing height is a myth? I didn’t do anything special. Whether the drone can drop or not, the main problem is that the max vertical speed is 1.5m/s. You can drop much faster than that on snow.


You nailed it there! Seems I need to practice more!!!
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Hi @ed48, - lovely footage.
1st video. Not viewed 2nd.
That drone was being flown by a pilot, yes?
There is no following happening of any one target that I can see unless it is locked, then lost?


Yeah, footage in the 1st video is stunning. Where was it filmed?
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Thanks! That was pilot operated. Ive dropped idea of self following by activetrack, as result doesn't look good to me. Im planning to try litchi (they have added support of mini (beta) and air2) flying by waypoints, but it will require some beforehand preparation and planning.
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My take is that the only decent drone footage obtainable is by using a dedicated pilot. Any form of follow mode needs so much setting up and then controller or tag care that when you’re skiing you’ll only be thinking about the drone and “is it following?”
We need a multiple-pilot collective ski day - bagsy I film the last rotation of the day!

Might have already mentioned this but if I’m without a pilot on my next foray, I plan to send the drone out 1/2km looking back at the pitch we’re skiing about half way down framing the shot to capture the ski top to bottom. That perspective makes even a modest line look vertiginous- then just turn the video on, pack controller away, enjoy the ski, stop and recover drone. It’s not so interesting as the drone doesn’t pan (which sets a nice shot) but it’ll capture all the action.
Any other ideas to relieve avid skiers who don’t want to be pilots all day?
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2 Grinning

I was thinking about that. One idea is in theory (never tried that myself), is that, mavic 2, can be operated with 2 controllers, primary and secondary. We do most runs one by one anyways, so while first skier descends, the seconds skier (waiting anyways) operate the drone, then when 1st skier get into safe location, he takes control over drone and films the 2nd skier descent.
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I think this is a good example of nice and easy to achieve shot, but still require pilot panning the camera down.
Not sure if one can lock the drone in position and just move the camera down based on active track, like focus follow and keeping subject in the centre of the frame, without moving the drone itself. I think I ve seen this on litchi app for mavic mini, not sure if it works now for mini 2.


http://youtube.com/v/mlEZ6ZKVMIQ
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Grinning wrote:
... Might have already mentioned this but if I’m without a pilot ... It’s not so interesting as the drone doesn’t pan (which sets a nice shot) but it’ll capture all the action.
Any other ideas to relieve avid skiers who don’t want to be pilots all day?
This is a different scenario than the OP, but if you use a 360 camera then you can pan in post which is not a bad option.
It's a bit like instead of needing a pilot and a camera operator, now you only need a pilot.
Without 360 you're not able to frame anything so you'll get the wide shot if you're competent, but that's it.
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@ed48, those are fab drone shots and, as you say, operator controlling camera.
2 controllers - that would be a good solution to handover control! Spare controller: Don’t think my Mavic Pro controller works with my Air.
@philwig, invisible selfie-stick mounted 360 (see my post above) is great and my preferred least-faff option for filming without messing with my team’s or my own enjoyment.
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Grinning wrote:
I plan to send the drone out 1/2km looking back at the pitch we’re skiing about half way down framing the shot to capture the ski top to bottom. That perspective makes even a modest line look vertiginous- then just turn the video on, pack controller away, enjoy the ski, stop and recover drone. It’s not so interesting as the drone doesn’t pan (which sets a nice shot) but it’ll capture all the action.
Any other ideas to relieve avid skiers who don’t want to be pilots all day?


Thats going to be my plan too Smile The panning can be done in post, using premier pro is easy. Shoot in 4k then zoom and pan in 1080p. It would be nice to shoot in 4:3, but I dont think dji supports that.
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