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Grand Massif 2020/2021 snow report, Les Carroz, Flaine, Samoens, Morillon & Sixt

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Happy New Year Folks!
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You too, and welcome back GM!
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Posted yesterday by Polo on last years thread - thought that, now we have a '21 thread, I would move it here.... (Hope they don't mind...!)

polo wrote:
Will put this conditions update (29 Dec 20) in last seasons thread.....it's surprising no sH's out here, considering even some of the more obscure threads are well ahead of normal pages this season, you know England, Scotland, Wales, Verbier etc

So 6 of us headed into unknown territory, starting near Samoens on Route des Allamands, and looking for the path up to Tete de Bostan.
It didn't begin well with all of us parking at the wrong (300m lower) car park, but that extra walk did allow us to help out a group of locals whose van had slid off the road.

It's a long mellow uphill track through the forest, finally opening up a little around 1600m. The weather really deteriorated at this point though so we headed for the refuge around 1800m. We had read about the big open ski fields above this point, up to 2600m at the Tete, but there was no way we could carry on given the conditions. In any case, the french lads we had helped out earlier arrived at the refuge and told us the top section wasn't great for snowboarding as there is a long flat section.

So we started to head down, very cautiously as we had no idea what lines to pick, and could barely see each other. Made a quick video of the trip.....shame the conditions didn't allow for some better footage....poor viz above 1600, unknown terrain and a lot of shaky / splashed camera.

Not sure I'd go back though, as it's a very long hike in along a narrow path....and that's the only way down as well.....still we made the most of it and it's always a laugh in a group, despite the freezing cold, wind, getting soaked and falling over.


http://youtube.com/v/VrWSiaQ3jec
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@albob, no, me and my multiple thread persona's don't mind at all......the snowboader in the vid has just had an offer accepted on a small studio in Morillon so it's likely I'll be getting over there more often
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@polo, It does look wonderful in your vid.. Smile
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Here's a pic taken this morning from another mate based in Flaine......will remind him to point away from the sun Cool

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Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
Sadly it liiks like we have to pull the plug on out planned Feb visit thanks to bleedin' Covid. First time we'd be going back since 2009
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Should be driving out on the 22nd ... Sad
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We had forgotten to cancel our phone reminders and have been tormented with reminders all day to return our hire car and catch our EZY jet flight home this evening... keep the photos coming so we can live vicariously!
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@polo, good news on the Morillon crash pad! Your friend won’t regret it!
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I have deliberately avoid looking at the Webcams - up until today : Such a shame, all that snow and no skiers Sad
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@patrick!, .....let's try and keep to the new thread....so I've moved it here

polo wrote:
About 3 hours, but it’s only 600m vertical so am sure it can be done a lot quicker, we were slowed down by not starting at the highest car park, then the poor viz and just not knowing where we were led to lots of discussions and stops. It only opens up above 1500-1600m so the vast majority of the trip to the refuge at 1780m was in the forest.


patrick! wrote:
It must be amazing in better weather! So you parked at 900m, but it's possible at 1200m (Plan des Arches, says the map), right? Everybody talks about Tete de Bostan but I don't fancy the forest part - now looking at trying to get to the refuge from Morzine (lac des Mines d'Or) via La Golèse, out of interest why did you try from the Samoëns side?


The 300m was by road, not vertical distance. Only went to Samoens because a few of the group were staying there over the holidays, it can be approached from Morzine too I've heard....am sure @zzz will know more.

I'd go back in better weather and with a better route. There was a lot of open terrain around 1600-1900m that we didn't get to explore that day, and yes the forest is long and boring.....not the best use of time.

It's definetly a favourite spot for the 'real' locals, so that's a fair indication of how good it could be.
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I need to learn to properly ski on powder! Keep the videos coming, it inspires us!
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@polo, are you with a local or a guide? I know nothing about refuge de Boston so probably reluctant to do it without a guide. Interested to know more for future days when high winds close the GM. Which seemed to be happening with increasing frequency these last few years...
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@polo,
More questions:
You parked your car and hiked up how much higher?
You skied down to a separate car parked at the bottom where?
Then you drove back up to collect the original car?
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@Freestyle, neither local nor guide, groups of us just head off based on stuff we read on the internet Very Happy ....trying to remain safe and sensible at all times (all with transceivers and a shovel)

I had to dig deep to have faith in @zzz recommendation to do Point de la Croix, as the way down wasn't visible from the ridge. Worst case we thought we would have to ski back along the narrow path, which isn't ideal after a 2hr climb hoping for a powder field. We are all fairly experienced at off piste in a resort, and thankfully one of the lads is a keen mountaineer, so he had a good app where he could zoom in on the contours and figure out which direction looked better. Of course you need a signal for that.

Back to the Bostan questions.....as you drive along Route des Allamands from Samoens (about 1km), there are several small car parks towards the end of it. Quite a narrow road, and we needed good winter tires that day. We assumed we were at the last car park, but we weren't, so we ended up walking (skins on) along the snowy track only to find the correct and final car park further along. There are several sign posts, and a few locals out snow shoeing to ask directions, but it's pretty easy to find the forest track that leads up to the refuge.

Here's a link I wish I had found earlier...has a good map you can zoom in on

http://rando-chablais.fr/index.php/randonnees-d-ete/?layout=modal&id=169
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@polo, good on you all! Thanks for the link. You’re going to love the valley in the summer too if you haven’t already visited at that time of year...
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Just checked the snow forecasts as we were due to drive out to Samoens on Friday 22nd for our annual mates trip. I've skied in the GM a lot with my family, but never with my mates as deemed a bit "quiet" so this year was the perfect opportunity to introduce them to it. Looks like it would have been perfect Sad Sad Sad rolling eyes
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@dunc999, all that untouched powder!
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Several people spotted on Grandes Platières webcam today. Conditions look perfect
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