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Europe's ski resorts to remain closed until mid January?

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Castex said there would be enforcement when the Swiss PdS resorts open (Dec 15th).
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@WindOfChange, who's going to enforce it? it's truly unenforceable.
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Like i said here theres only really 2 border crossings, and the extra Gendarmes normally posted to the ski resorts could easily do it, as they'll have little else to do.
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@WindOfChange, 2 xings in the PDS but 572 kms of normally unpatrolled border with CH and per the news story, 9 brigades of douaniers to do the patrolling on top of their normal duties...

The news anchor was rather trying too hard not to laugh ... snowHead
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Has any date been officially been given for when the french will reopen the lifts ?
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@robs1, Not yet.
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ecureuil wrote:
Handy Turnip wrote:
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Not sure if already posted but France to impose random border checks to stop skiers crossing the border to Switzerland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55157175


Good luck with that.....there are dozens of border crossings, including usually unmanned ones, that will need to be policed so they'll probably concentrate on the main ones. Probably more of a psychological deterrent than an effective control


Completely agree - maybe they'll impose such a high fine for getting caught that it puts off the majority from trying, even though the odds of getting through are in their favour.

A threat of mandatory isolation /quarantine, perhaps in a government facility, if caught on the return may also help.



On the way upto the ski resorts in Swiss PdS, really there's only 2 border crossings that are any use, St Gingolphe and Pas de Morgins.
You could come across from St Cergue or Geneva and dog it round the top of the lake, but it's a bit of a schlepp.

Also there's no fine - You will have not broken the law.
Castex said as much in the interview.
He said we can't stop you from going into Switzerland to ski, but we want to deter you.
You will need to quarantine for 7 days though as you have been in a "high risk" area.


Strange though that they don't mind me crossing into Switzerland daily to work indoors in an air conditioned office with other people, but they don't want me in the outdoors when I will be waring a mask and gloves. And no quarantine or people trying to deter me. ( Apart from Mrs WoC )
Also my helmet will protect me from everything, I read it on here last year.

Liberty- Fraternity - Equality == Police State - Intolerance - Hypocrisy


I'm of similar thinking to you.

The tunnel vision of Merkel, Conte and Macron seems to be that absolutely skiing in the EU must be curtailed to next to nothing. Similar to the 4 UK nations where leisure, even outdoor some sports, were banned. Their argument I guess would be that education and industry/commerce must prevail, where choices have to be made to bring down R values, over sports. It's not just skiing/boarding in itself, if hotels and lifts were open, that would encourage huge numbers e.g. wealthy Germans to ski elsewhere ... movements of people fuelling the pandemic across the EU. Ischgl seems to get mentioned all the time, but can't the sport be continued this time with closed bars and nightclubs?
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Exactly - Banning skiing because of Ischgl is like banning football because of Heysel.
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Snow&skifan wrote:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-austria/austria-allows-christmas-skiing-effectively-for-locals-only-idUKKBN28C1RG

VIENNA (Reuters) - Austria on Wednesday chose a middle way in its standoff with neighbouring countries on whether skiing over Christmas is safe, by letting resorts reopen on Christmas Eve but making ski holidays virtually impossible.

Restaurants, hotels and tourist accommodation, however, will stay closed until Jan. 7, the government said, meaning skiing over the holiday period will essentially be limited to people who live close enough to a resort for a day trip.

In an apparent concession to Rome, Berlin and Paris, which had expressed concern about cross-border trips, Austria also said it was introducing a new quarantine requirement for anyone arriving from their countries and many more.

Until Jan. 10 all arrivals in Austria from a country with more than 100 coronavirus cases per 100,000 people in the previous two weeks will have to go into 10 days’ quarantine, which can be shortened if they test negative after five days in isolation, the government said in a statement.

That covers virtually all of Europe, including Germany, where the level is currently above 300 and Italy, where it is above 600. Austria’s own infection level is 796, according to the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control.


So they don't have a plan for after Jan 10th? Can't see them going less stringent after that but can they ban ski holidays forever?
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@Pastorius, long term plans don't really work in these Covid times, as the situation is constantly changing. My guess is the quarantine restrictions may remain in the hope that the various national lockdowns manage to reduce the infection rates sufficiently. That would at least allow the hotel industry to reopen.
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Our ski trip to italy with ingams has been confirmed as cancelled, they are trying to offer us a week in march if theres availbility at the hotel we had orginally booked into..now waiting to hear if my first week in feb is also cancelled
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A message in the snow to Macron, from the Paradiski pisteurs;

https://en.la-plagne.com/discover/ski-area/webcams/roche-de-mio
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@RichYork, can't see anything. Is it yellow?
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RichYork wrote:
A message in the snow to Macron, from the Paradiski pisteurs;

https://en.la-plagne.com/discover/ski-area/webcams/roche-de-mio


Did you mean this shot?
https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=153187&start=40#4683788
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You need to rewind the webcam to about 14h to see it
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The organiser of our trip to VT (2nd Jan departure) says that VT won't open until 23rd Jan. I've not seen anything on here but can anyone else have confirm this?
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Swiss hotel rooms were selling out fast yesterday and today, I assume on the back of the news from Austria.

(From perusing booking.com and individual hotel websites).
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@halfhand, Steve Angus on the Snow Reports subforum also mentioned 23rd Jan but no one else has (other dates mentioned include 5th, 15th, 20th). No idea where the date comes from, but maybe there is some info on the ground, there are a few Snowhead spies in resort who might have clues.
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@j b, Cheers. I don't expect it to be going ahead anyway Toofy Grin
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Heard from a friend of ours, who is a head-waitress at one of the bigger operations in Tignes that she will be starting work in early Feb.
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@Ski lots, if true that gives a very tight window for anyone trying to avoid French half-term. According to another thread that starts 6th Feb, though congestion will be worst after 13th (Parisian plus UK holidays).
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waitress implies not only opening, but restaurant or bar opening. Here's hoping.
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Friends in the Kronplatz area are expecting opening on 7th January. They would normally be opening about now
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I'm in Switzerland at the moment. Huffing and puffing at federal level about limiting capacity etc but with the rate at which the French and others are talking about preventing people from travelling across the border I don't know how busy it will be. The restrictions now seem all a show and the rush is to get back to normal.

Either way, it's time to crack on here. Restaurants and bars re-open in Valais very soon as well.
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@Ski lots, if true that gives a very tight window for anyone trying to avoid French half-term. According to another thread that starts 6th Feb, though congestion will be worst after 13th (Parisian plus UK holidays).

Cough cough JB, I think you mean English holidays, our half term is 6th Feb. I wish it was that week later as every week counts at the moment
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I can’t see the numbers being anywhere near normal for UK travellers at half term given schoolchildren would need to quarantine for a week and miss school (if they don’t mind paying the test & release) or two weeks if they won’t pay it.
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@Skimum1, also the one week a year skiers who aren’t that into it won’t care too much about missing a year
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@Skimum1, I'm happy to pay for the tests but quarantine even for a week will kill it I want my kids in school they've missed too much as it is.

Unless quarantine disappears by February 13th (unlikely) I can't see us going at half term. Still a few weeks away from paying a balance so sitting tight as I'm sure many others are.

Only hope is Erna Low can change booking to Easter and wife can get the time off work.
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Lucky you (normally) @Jonny996, we were always grateful on the occasions when our local county council set our February half term different from the majority of the country.

This year of course, no point really in worrying about dates at the moment. Very little is predictable.
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also the one week a year skiers who aren’t that into it won’t care too much about missing a year


Ime it's the one week a year skiers that are kicking up the most fuss and going to the more extreme lengths to try and ski. Most of the seasonnaires/ski bums I know are "meh, can't be bothered with the hassle of this season - it will still be there next year".
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Ski Miguel are delaying start of their season to mid jan for all destinations
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Just seen Hotelplan suspended Inghams ski and Flexi Ski at ski until after 30th January, apologies if already been said.
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r11s wrote:
Ski Miguel are delaying start of their season to mid jan for all destinations


Could be end jan / start Feb, awaiting details
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@WindOfChange, 2 xings in the PDS but 572 kms of normally unpatrolled border with CH and per the news story, 9 brigades of douaniers to do the patrolling on top of their normal duties...

The news anchor was rather trying too hard not to laugh ... snowHead


You wanna bring back the old days and play a petit cache-cache on the cols? It's totally true, not even the Gestapo managed to seal that border completely. I'm just not sure that's everyone's cup of tea.

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The tunnel vision of Merkel, Conte and Macron seems to be that absolutely skiing in the EU must be curtailed to next to nothing. Similar to the 4 UK nations where leisure, even outdoor some sports, were banned. Their argument I guess would be that education and industry/commerce must prevail, where choices have to be made to bring down R values, over sports. It's not just skiing/boarding in itself, if hotels and lifts were open, that would encourage huge numbers e.g. wealthy Germans to ski elsewhere ... movements of people fuelling the pandemic across the EU. Ischgl seems to get mentioned all the time, but can't the sport be continued this time with closed bars and nightclubs?


Switzerland and Austria are real ski nations, while Germany, Italy, France and the UK are not. The difference being, is skiing seen as a normal thing you do or perceived as a leisure for the upper classes. Some skiers will catch covid, bars closed or not. The press would make a fuss about that, even if the risk isn't any higher. The corona measures are already heavily redestributive to the top. Lower income people are losing their jobs by the thousands while the rentier class is pretty much uneffected. That all doesn't play well with maintaining the public corona discipline and down the road with support for the leading politicians. So at its core it's some kind of symbol politics. But not in an ineffective way.
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6 lifts to open in Soelden on 24 Dec. Hotels/Rest from 7 Jan.

https://www.soelden.com/winter/live-info/current-ski-resort-information.html
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The way it’s looking, does anyone think it’s actually realistic that we will be allowed to ski in France at all in January?
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Bodski96 wrote:
The way it’s looking, does anyone think it’s actually realistic that we will be allowed to ski in France at all in January?


No. You need to look beyond France.
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@Bodski96, I was rather hoping to ski in France next week but the forecast snow seems to have passed us by.
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@Bodski96, I was rather hoping to ski in France next week but the forecast snow seems to have passed us by.


Seems like they all made it!
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