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VIP SKI go into administration

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Snowfinders wrote:
Wow, gents, this is some kangaroo court. They contracted chalet hotels; perhaps the amount was for one of them? Maybe it was staff digs for the season? Maybe it included renovation works and refurb? They also contracted on blocks such as the aspen lodge that housed many chalets (Lys Martagon building in Val). Certainly they didn’t market a chalet by the name vita brevis Charlie and who’s to say they named it that? Maybe the owner named it that? Lots of jumping to conclusions here which isn’t helpful or fair.


I was a regular VIP customer and would expect that they did make decent profits through their business. That's why they do it.

To be in business for 30 years, they were obviously doing something right. But to lose the end of last season and potentially the whole of the next season is not a viable business model for any business. Its not at all surprising they've gone under and i don't think it should be a negative reflection on the company or the directors in any way.
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Rather than just dwelling on VIP, a company who never had the benefit of my business as I do not really do or can afford "high end", the wider comsequences are more relevant.

Personally, I prefer a hotel with the flexibility of dining times, meals seven days a week if I wish, and the better chance of meeting people from a range of different countries or I would B&B and enjoy dining in a range of different places.

There is another reason for my bias against the chalet market - that is it generally catered for the couples market - they would generally rather have empty rooms rather than not charge a ridiculous single supplement, even for very late bookers. Outside France single rooms are quite often available at little or no premium in B&Bs and hotels.

The sad reality is, at the top end, the chalet companies were charging hotel prices for effectively free wine with dinner. Even the extra "benefits" they ahd been able to offer eg guiding had been banned by law.

My suspicion is that the reality is, and as has been commented elsewhere extensively, with proper employment regulations being applied to chalets the business model was already on the way out and what has happened with VIP and others has just accelerated that process. How much of the cost structure has been driven by very high competition to rent high end properties I do not know. May be one result will be chalet holidays reduce to more competitive price levels in the future if chalet rents drop significantly due to lower levels of demand. Of course, a hotel has a summer and autumn season whereas I suspect a lot of chalet owners had to earn their rent just on a winter season.
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@countryman,

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Rather than just dwelling on VIP, a company who never had the benefit of my business as I do not really do or can afford "high end", the wider comsequences are more relevant.


See...
https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?p=3499913&highlight=future+chalets#3499913
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I took the Phoenix reference to be one made re prepack administrations which often seem to be used to wipe out a slate of creditors and carry on the same business immediately. Some of those can appear dubious particularly where there have been significant drawings from the business or preferential payment of close associates prior to the administration.
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Snowfinders wrote:
Wow, gents, this is some kangaroo court. They contracted chalet hotels; perhaps the amount was for one of them? Maybe it was staff digs for the season? Maybe it included renovation works and refurb? They also contracted on blocks such as the aspen lodge that housed many chalets (Lys Martagon building in Val). Certainly they didn’t market a chalet by the name vita brevis Charlie and who’s to say they named it that? Maybe the owner named it that? Lots of jumping to conclusions here which isn’t helpful or fair.

At 31 May 2019 they had £1.5m in assets, and were perhaps one of the stronger capitalized smaller operators. To go into administration suggests that £1.5m has been lost from the company over 2019/20 and this summer.

I wouldn't have expected them to make a profit for 19/20, but by mid-March they would perhaps have roughly broken even. I doubt they employ 130 over the summer. I could quite understand them just closing the business, because they don't see much prospect of making money for a few years, but I do find it surprising that they have gone into administration
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Are they the company that used to weigh chalet hosts regularly to track weight, ahem, discourage ‘chalet girl bum’?
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What puzzles me is that they claim to have built 60 chalets and 2 hotels, but these don't show up on their books as assets. I mean, that's at least £50m in properties. Their USP was that they ran and owned these themselves: they said they weren't just an agency and that they had skin in the game because they built the properties. But it looks like while they built them, they sold them on, and didn't actually own them, so in fact, they were 'just an agency' after all. They were a developer who then offered owners the chance to organise rentals through a successful agency. Which is pretty common practice for apartment (the same immobilier builds an apt block, then administers it for the co-props, and rents on behalf of owners if they want). Or am I mis-reading the Annual Report?


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DB wrote:

He appears to know more about them than DG knows about Admin's taxes.


I've got to say you are on form at the moment. A career in stand up beckons.
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The directors seem to be involved with 4 companies including property finding and the travel company. The travel company appears to have lost money in both 2018 and 2019 accounts and the losses seemed to be growing. This probably means that the losses for Y/E 2020 would be even greater especially given the loss of the end of the season. The group company did have significant "cash in hand and bank" in the y/e 2019 accounts.

It's a difficult time for the ski holiday industry and we have to wonder who's next Sad Sad
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In the absence of VIPSki, do knowledgeable snowheads have any tips for which (surviving) operators I should try instead? Early intermediate skiier, thinking France/ Austria / Italy in early 2021, provided resorts are open by then.
I think that's how I should phrase it, rather than asking which ones to avoid, although that's of interest too.....
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@peerless ploughman, just do it yourself.
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I think you need to wait until literally the week before, there’s this viral thing doing the rounds which you may have heard about ?
In that week you would be able to ascertain, in no specific order:
1) What your local travel and lockdown rules are
2) If you are Ill or under self isolation due to a notification
3) What countries are open
4) what resorts are open
5) If you can get there with any confidence
6) if when you get there you have digs

So, a few pieces to move there. Very Happy
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@peerless ploughman, I've not used them but have heard good thinks about Kaluma https://kalumaski.com
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@peerless ploughman, If you are solely looking for a package then I would recommend LeSki.
Otherwise - go DIY and definite last minute - as Orange above indicates
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Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
I took the Phoenix reference to be one made re prepack administrations which often seem to be used to wipe out a slate of creditors and carry on the same business immediately. Some of those can appear dubious particularly where there have been significant drawings from the business or preferential payment of close associates prior to the administration.


Maybe you are right and I'm just showing my age, but Pheonix companies has been a term used since long before prepack was a thing.
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peerless ploughman wrote:
In the absence of VIPSki, do knowledgeable snowheads have any tips for which (surviving) operators I should try instead? Early intermediate skiier, thinking France/ Austria / Italy in early 2021, provided resorts are open by then.
I think that's how I should phrase it, rather than asking which ones to avoid, although that's of interest too.....


Agree with what someone else said. If you're not going DIY then go with LeSki! Excellent group of people.
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almost there wrote:
Which chalet was that! Their average chalet size was 10 to 12 people and would be circa £1200 p.p per week . At £1500 per week per person, would only bring in 360k over a 20 week season. Couldn't have had many chalets earning more than that!


I think you're missing the point, the aim of that is to extract money out of the business, not to drive profit on that particular chalet and it's rental.
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midgetbiker wrote:
Also someone asked higher up the page whether a Pheonix business meant people had been ripped off, and no, it doesn't. All it means is that one business is birthed from the ashes of another.


I'm not sure that's accurate? IF a business goes under then it suggests it's unviable (maybe at a point in time), but if you restart instantly it's clearly a viable business. All that's happened is you've destroyed one legal entitiy with debt or obligations and created a new legal entity without those debts / obligations.The concept of a company going bust, then another 'phoenix' company doing exactly the same thing, with the same suppliers / structures is indeed to offload debt / debters and effectively screw the suppliers / banks.

Note: I'm not saying that they are doing that...
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orange wrote:
I think you need to wait until literally the week before, there’s this viral thing doing the rounds which you may have heard about ?
In that week you would be able to ascertain, in no specific order:
1) What your local travel and lockdown rules are
2) If you are Ill or under self isolation due to a notification
3) What countries are open
4) what resorts are open
5) If you can get there with any confidence
6) if when you get there you have digs

So, a few pieces to move there. Very Happy


That pretty much sums up what I an doing. I have a couple of weeks targeted and will assess. Flights will be more, but hoping that late accommodation will be less - all the rest will be normal
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Sad to see a great company go under. Been with VIP a few times and they’re the best we’ve had to date. Great service and nothing was to much trouble for the staff. R.I.P V.I.P.
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I've traveled with VIP quite a number of times since around 2006, always been very happy with them and even when there were issues they rectified them as satisfactorily as possible. They had a solid offering with excellent standards albeit at a slightly higher price. I wholeheartedly believe what they have said in their statement, the coming season is frankly impossible for a company like them to navigate a way through. Deciding to pull out now is probably a good idea rather than have hundreds of people stuck in resort when it goes wrong later in the season.

I'm not connected with VIP in anyway but I do hope they return to the market in some form when this is all over. I'd have no hesitation in booking with the new company.
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My only experience of VIP was the chalet they had in Les Gets, as we were living in Les Gets in the winter at the time. It was a good place to meet up with other visiting members of the family and have lunch. Their chocolat chaud was the best around. The nannies were lovely - when one of our little grand daughters got splinters in her hand one of the nannies spent ages coaching them out, telling her she was a brave girl etc. The staff they employed in that chalet appeared to be very competent and friendly.
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I hear you folks, but this thread is the only reason I know I won't get the VIPski holiday I've paid for.
Otherwise, I'd have found out when I turned up at Gatwick.
Alternatively I'd read elsewhere about french ski resorts not opening in time, and then I'd ring VIPski about it and get the apologetic ansaphone message.
As it is, I'm now watching the CAA/ ATOL website, pending publication of the specific claim form needed.
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