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Chamonix 2020/21

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“ Press release Compagnie du Mont-Blanc
Chamonix, 29/10/2020

COVID-19 - UPDATE

Dear Customers & Partners,

In accordance with the measures announced yesterday evening by the President, please be informed that the Aiguille du Midi cable-cars, Montenvers – Mer de Glace rack & pinion railway & the Flégère gondola will close this evening until further notice.

Our maintenance teams of both ski areas & excursion sites will continue to be in operation in order to ensure the opening for the winter season, subject to authorization, with the dates as previously announced & communicated.

We are doing everything in our power to ensure the best possible service on our lifts in order to guarantee your safety & that of our teams.
Take care of you & yours.”
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If I'm honest I'm starting to have my doubts Les Houches will open on the 3rd of November.
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An announcement from CdMB regarding the rebuilding of GM. Sounds like no deal yet with the insurers. Could be a while. 5 yrs!




“At the dawn of a new season, we are sending you some encouraging news on the future of the Grands Montets area:
- The CMB has surrounded itself with the famous architectural firm Renzo Piano to imagine the new future of the estate. Renzo Piano himself was passionate about this ambitious challenge and worked on a global project including not only the reconstruction of the cable car, but also and above all, a reconfiguration of the departure station in Argentière.
- Regarding the departure station, the main idea is to proceed with the demolition of the current building, which is too large in volume, and to reposition a more compact cable car station in a location allowing better accessibility to transport collective by bus, and direct access to the heart of the village of Argentière and its SNCF station by a footbridge.
- The architecture of the summit station must be inspired by the mineral and crystalline environment very present on the site.
- The choice of a cable car type device on the 1st section seems relevant in view of the logistical needs, knowing that the Plan Joran gondola is already the main lift for transporting skiers to the area.
- For the 2nd section, a mechanical lift with detachable cabins of smaller capacities for better ease of boarding and disembarking with a 3S type installation remains to be defined.
- The purpose of the project we are carrying out is to offer a "4 seasons" area allowing both mountain professionals as well as excursionists and hikers to practice a year-round activity in this exceptional site.
- The soul of the Grands Montets will naturally be preserved. The redesign of Lognan should make it possible to considerably free up space on the snow front and improve flow management by making it easier for skiers to bypass stations.
These main lines of the project will continue to be worked on in consultation with elected officials and state services. It is therefore not possible at this stage to give a precise timetable for the reconstruction of the Grands Montets.
The situation with insurance has improved, at least with two of them. CMB is insured for its ski lifts with a group of co-insurers made up of the GENERALI company (55%), the ALLIANZ company (30%) and the Royal Sun Aliance company (15%)
If an agreement could be reached, after hard discussions and negotiations with the companies GENERALI and ALLIANZ, the company RSA decided at the last moment to dissociate itself from its co-insurers and refused to sign the memorandum of understanding.
This refusal, even though appraisals lasted for two years with company experts and our experts, is inexplicable, especially since the majority insurers and the most at risk have accepted this transaction.
As a result, the attitude of the RSA company makes the reconstruction process more complicated and obliges us to take legal action against it.

We are working with determination and passion to imagine and carry out a fully integrated future project for the Grands Montets site. This large-scale project must respond to the challenges of ecological transition by collectively imagining an appropriate device for the next fifty years. It is with this in mind that we work and will keep you informed of the progress of the project.”
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@jbob, Thanks ,interesting. I guess the obvious location for the new lift is the far end of the overflow/long stay gravel car park beside the river almost directly across from the station. That's the only way I can see how to have a footbridge from the station.
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@jbob, cheers. I quite fancy a Shard-Pompidou combo myself.

It generally sounds pretty positive and forward thinking, although I doubt anyone would get approvals for major projects that weren't "4 Seasons".
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Looking at the bigger picture, the train in Chamonix is massively under used and could substantially reduce the issues with cars. Les Houches is too far from the station, GM could now be adjacent, at Les Praz the station is just a little too far away, Le Tour is too far away, Valorcine is fantastic. What is needed for it to really work is a large car park adjacent to a station.
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jbob wrote:
What is needed for it to really work is a large car park adjacent to a station.


Could also do with a higher frequency of trains - the popular ones are completely rammed. The 4pm-ish service back from le buet on a sunny early spring day can be like the Tokyo subway.

I'd like them to make the road a toll road from Les Houches up. An annual sticker, so it's not punitive for residents (€20/year should do it), but helps shift the needle towards using public transport and would be a huge revenue earner from the tourist trade. Then they could invest the proceeds in doubling the train and bus service.
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@snowdave, totally agree, I guess its all about money. But nothing that a bung from the lift pass cash couldn’t solve, then quadruple the service frequency. LH can be a pain, it didn’t help when they built chalets on half the car park.
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@jbob, running on from that - frequent little shuttles between stations LHs & LT - and why big buses anyway, the road infrastructure doesn't support them. And bring back the bus laybys (yes, I know, cars were blocking buses in rolling eyes ) - but when one single issue is literally the biggest complaint about the valley winter season, shouldn't that be the highest priority?

Liking @snowdave's toll idea. Could even be free for residents, (including seasonal residents but maybe not 2nd homes . although that may be legally questionable).

Must confess, having been quite +ve above, I got a stroppy email from a chum who précised as,

"We have marvellous plans, no concrete proposals, nasty insurance company ruining all our fun, no discounts for you" Twisted Evil
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Since my toll road idea has support, here's another one that'll never be implemented:

Tarmac over the railway line, and make it an express bus route, with e-buses (so no pollution) which can therefore directly connect the lift stations to the railway route.

Imagine jumping on a bus at GM at the end of the day, and being back in Cham centre 20mins later, when it's a 45 min drive.
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@snowdave, not a dreadful idea, as the existing railway line is single line and iirc the wrong gauge ...
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It won’t be worth the lost decade, but having a proper high capacity lift for the top section will be a really nice upgrade. I was worried they were just going to recreate it as it was.

I wonder if they thought about scrapping the bottom section entirely though. A small chair on the mountain linking Lognan and Joran could achieve the same access but would probably get more use.
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@hold_my_biere, I think they are very keen to have easy beginner access to the new nursery slopes at the mid station, without needing to send classes of little kids up the gondola and down a chair.

Once it's all operational, the nursery slopes could be a great asset - very snowsure, gentle, and with easy access to restaurants. As it stands, they were great for snowtubing and not much else!

I'm not so keen on a high capacity lift for the top, or indeed any lift at all, but that's just selfishness on my part! It's a beautiful easy tour.
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As @snowdave says, they are very keen to establish the new nursery/ints slopes as due restrictions on all other Cham areas (natural reserve) Grands Montets is bizarrely the only area that realistically can be developed (including snow making, etc.)

And opinion from most of the Concept Pro clients (inc guides) they're really liking having to walk up.
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@snowdave, I agree re the top ticket. A high capacity top lift would be plain dangerous. I’d still like to be able to get to the top without a walk.
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Bargain.
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@jbob, did he not also have to pay for the recovery of his aircraft?
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@under a new name, i think they landed walked to the top then took off again. I know there was a dumped rowing machine that had to be remove from another stunt. I saw someone land and take off on the argentiere glacier and that was impressive.
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jbob wrote:
https://www.ledauphine.com/amp/faits-divers-justice/2020/11/19/proces-de-l-atterrissage-au-mont-blanc-une-amende-de-38-euros-pour-le-pilote-suisse?__twitter_impression=true


Right @ww166no this is the new plan: Once we can all get back to Chx you need to bring that toy of yours across and start shuttling us all upto the top as required, until the new lift is in place.

You'll need some 'wing walker' frames adding like they had back in the day, but other than that little detail I can see no flaw in the plan.
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