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The seasonnaire response to the OP:- "Bloody punters".
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boarder2020 wrote:
all the people complaining about lift line etiquette and filling up seats, you need to stop skiing in Europe. Go to North America and experience the pleasantness of civilised lift queuing. Lifty organising the line plus a dedicated singles line means everyone gets up quicker in an organised fashion. Why the Europeans resorts can't implement this I don know.


I like the US system. Funilly enough, when I worked my season in Courchevel many moons ago they were experimenting with singles lines on some of the fast four mans - they were great as a saissonaire when you wanted to get out for 2 or 3 hours on a busy day and just lap the bumps. They didn't persist with the system though.

One issue with it is that it effectively just spreads people from the lift queue up and down the piste which makes the pistes even busier* - some customers might not find this an improvement?

*keen skiers may not have that problem because they may be heading off piste and be avoiding the crowds
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boarder2020 wrote:
all the people complaining about lift line etiquette and filling up seats, you need to stop skiing in Europe. Go to North America and experience the pleasantness of civilised lift queuing. Lifty organising the line plus a dedicated singles line means everyone gets up quicker in an organised fashion. Why the Europeans resorts can't implement this I don know.


Attitude/need. I've been in US/Canadian lines that really need to use every seat or the line would never reduce whereas in Europe in modern lift systems there's often a lot of redundancy e.g. how often do 8 seaters fill every seat? That said Euro singles lines work well in the odd place that has them.
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Making/forcing ready my teens in the morning to leave in time. Spoils my mornings but they still want to go skiing every year.
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I've been in US/Canadian lines that really need to use every seat or the line would never reduce whereas in Europe in modern lift systems there's often a lot of redundancy


I'm not sure it's that black and white. Yes you can point to some examples like Whistler where there's big crowds that need to be moved, although they have very modern lifts. Even at small resorts with little need there is nearly always a single line. Which is great as Iit iproves efficiency and means those on their own can get lots of laps in without unnecessary queueing. I suspect there is a cultural element in play too, n America there is very little queue-jumping and everyone is polite in taking their turns at merging into lines. I'm not sure that kind of system would work in Europe. The fact that people like to have a friendly chat with others on the lift (including strangers), probably means filling a chair is more socially acceptable in n america as opposed to Europe where I once filled in a chair and got the silent death stare from the group.

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One issue with it is that it effectively just spreads people from the lift queue up and down the piste which makes the pistes even busier* - some customers might not find this an improvement?


I guess it depends how many runs their are off the chair. If there's only 1 or 2 pistes you probably have a good point. Due to the Abu controlled in bounds nature of n American skiing there are usually ample routes down so maybe not as much of an issue as it might be in Europe.
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Hitting a chipmunk (in Alta) at speed - it ran out of the trees onto the run and I had no chance of avoiding it.... Shocked

I was horrified - for a split second convinced that I'd sliced the poor thing in half! It was a slight relief to see that I had only sent it cartwheeling down the run - before it picked itself up and ran away....

I mentioned it to the lift attendant at the bottom, who said he'd never heard of anyone hitting a chipmunk. So a seemingly rare and freak occurrence - which was of no consolation when I missed another one by millimetres later on the same holiday Laughing
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Fast skiers passing too close to slower skiers.



I think this is pretty much the only thing about skiing that winds me up - people skiing arrogantly, dangerously and discourteously

The other stuff is tiny beer vs the pleasure of skiing

Yes, especially on ski roads that tend to have a lot of nervous/new people.
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as if they expect me to be skiing safely enough to anticipate the unexpected. So selfish! They should have their accidents where I can see them!


And move to the side if not going to go straight away.
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Hitting a chipmunk


Now there's a euphemism
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mountainaddict, you sure it wasn't just a squirrel ?

As we saw someone do that the other year there, under Supreme lift.
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I never knew Alvin the chipmunk had such a harrowing experience at Alta.
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@boarder2020, I found the problem in USA was the passive aggressive “Sorry, are you in a hurry?” in queues & the fact that complete strangers would insist on talking to you on the lift! Laughing
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Mr.Egg wrote:
motyl wrote:
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in the middle of a blind corner

as if they expect me to be skiing safely enough to anticipate the unexpected. So selfish! They should have their accidents where I can see them!


And move to the side if not going to go straight away.

Indeed.
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Attitude/need. I've been in US/Canadian lines that really need to use every seat or the line would never reduce whereas in Europe in modern lift systems there's often a lot of redundancy e.g. how often do 8 seaters fill every seat? That said Euro singles lines work well in the odd place that has them.


I wouldn't necessarily say that NA is better with attitude, it depends on your expectations.
I'd say Sweden is a lot better with both keep distance, not stepping on me skis and so on.

But all in all, part of the problem is a bit of overload - when everything is busy and crowded people sort of want to get on with it faster which I'm guessing triggers some sort of "oh oh, me first!" problem.

It's also not really sustainable to go skiing 3-4 times in a season and go to NA. I take a decent amount of time to get used to the new timezone, and enjoy the proximity of everything in Europe.

I'm actually curious to people that have been - what's the etiquette like in Japan?
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jedster wrote:
boarder2020 wrote:
all the people complaining about lift line etiquette and filling up seats, you need to stop skiing in Europe. Go to North America and experience the pleasantness of civilised lift queuing. Lifty organising the line plus a dedicated singles line means everyone gets up quicker in an organised fashion. Why the Europeans resorts can't implement this I don know.


I like the US system. Funilly enough, when I worked my season in Courchevel many moons ago they were experimenting with singles lines on some of the fast four mans - they were great as a saissonaire when you wanted to get out for 2 or 3 hours on a busy day and just lap the bumps. They didn't persist with the system though.

One issue with it is that it effectively just spreads people from the lift queue up and down the piste which makes the pistes even busier* - some customers might not find this an improvement?

*keen skiers may not have that problem because they may be heading off piste and be avoiding the crowds


If it’s to stop a piste getting too busy I’d rather they turned down the speed of the chair but still had a singles line.

It blows my mind how they can experiment with it in somewhere like Courchevel and then conclude that the experiment failed. The only possible reason I can think of for scrapping it is if the ESF complain they can’t sell as many private lessons if the queues aren’t miserable enough.
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I quite like the fact that everyone's a bit more laid-back, polite and friendly in N. America. And the free tissues at lift stations! Will never forget an abominable experience once in La Plagne, of hordes of French kids barging past and clambering all over my skis, in humongous lift queues, during the Easter hols... Was a teacher at the time, so had no choice but to go then. Never again!
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If they turned down the speed of the chairs in North America they'd be going backwards!
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Often no guard rail, either... and if they have them, they often don't use them. Find that scary!
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@Ricky B, yep, lots of US skiers are reluctant to put down the safety bar (even when fitted to the chair, which as you say isn't always the case). Perhaps if you refer to it as a foot rest instead they might use it more.... Wink


http://youtube.com/v/0zeCG8_zPpQ
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@Alastair Pink, Nice..!
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lots of US skiers are reluctant to put down the safety bar (even when fitted to the chair, which as you say isn't always the case).


I'm not sure reluctant is the right word. A lot won't bother putting it down. As someone that prefer the bar being down I've never had a negative response to asking to put it down. The thing that does annoy people is when somebody immediately smashes the bar down on them. It doesn't take a second to check everyone is ready for the bar to come down, it's just being polite.
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