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Thanks to the amazing Richard_Sideways and his friend my daughter now has her first snowboard.

Can anybody help me with what the edge angles will be?

Googling has just confused me.

It is a Rossignol Diva.

The base angle I have seen suggestions this could be several things - my tool is good for 1 degree. So will need to get a new one?

The side edges google suggests 90 degree but then others say it could be up to 87? So anybody know what manufacturer angle would be?
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@rayscoops, really? Certainly not intended as such? I had expected to be able to get them of the manufacturers site but failed so far?
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@NickyJ, I will be genuinely interested in the replies
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Why not just set them to what you want?
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1 ish and 1 ish Happy

Shouldn’t really need to do the base unless it’s had a grind.
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It's actually probably at 90 at the moment, and maybe best leave that until E is more confident on the board. You can take it to 89 (or less) if you want more bite on hard snow.
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@Richard_Sideways, thanks!

@hang11, they clearly encountered something hard so I had intended to ensure I smoothed over before fill the couple of little holes in the base, then waxed.

Overall it is in amazing condition. Just, I guess, looking at it with the same eye I would put on skis.
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Base angle don't change them.

Side edge I do all mine (me, wife ski's, 2 kids skis and boards) to 87 regardless of manufacturer setting. Basically because I want more bite on hard pistes and then there is no downside on anything else that I know. Why not more... just isn't a need. Also, read up quite a bit and 87 seems to get a good consensus.

Piste Office has a page for factory ski angles: https://thepisteoffice.com/index.php/edge-angles-wax-data/15-ski-manufacturers-edge-angle-specifications.html
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Layne wrote:
Base angle don't change them.


Trying desperately not to, hence the question. Ski’s are 1 degree. My google seemed to indicate boards may be different?
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and then you de-tune the edges ... just a little bit and just in a small location ... or maybe not for some? Very Happy
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I always set my boards to 1 on the base, and afaik most boards are factory set to that, but somebody may come along with a better answer. I would be careful with base edges if they are just scuffed up. The edge needs to be level to the base, so removing edge on the base isn’t a good idea, angles only really need to be set after a base grind, just clean up the rough bits with a stone. Sharpen edges from the side. I always do mine at 1 or 2 depending on the board, but more is fine if that’s your thing.

I do all my own tuning, but I’m no expert, so take my advice with a pinch of salt.
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hang11 wrote:
I always set my boards to 1 on the base, and afaik most boards are factory set to that, but somebody may come along with a better answer. I would be careful with base edges if they are just scuffed up. The edge needs to be level to the base, so removing edge on the base isn’t a good idea, angles only really need to be set after a base grind, just clean up the rough bits with a stone. Sharpen edges from the side. I always do mine at 1 or 2 depending on the board, but more is fine if that’s your thing.

I do all my own tuning, but I’m no expert, so take my advice with a pinch of salt.


Thanks! Yes that was all I was going to be doing but as I use the guide to do that, was worried if it was the wrong angle Happy

This is reassuring to read
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I had the Rossi Jibsaw which is the men's version, it's very forgiving so you don't need to worry about detuning the contact points. I think you would have a bit of a problem getting a consistent edge angle through the magnetraction, my board had a particularly stiff centre camber and was difficult to engage on ice anyway. Very nimble board and good fun.
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Layne wrote:
Base angle don't change them.

NickyJ wrote:
Trying desperately not to, hence the question. Ski’s are 1 degree. My google seemed to indicate boards may be different?


Don't see why. The same principle's apply afaik.

With no angle on the base it would engage instantly which by and large (slalom racers excepted) you don't want. A one degree is enough to make the ski/board ride more predictably but still very responsive.
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https://www.snowcampseu.com/2018/12/02/how-to-set-a-base-edge-angle/
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edge angle theory hasn’t quite caught up with board geometry ... on a bang average camber board it may have been a little bit important (try running a stiff 163 fast & flat on a cat track with 90 deg sharp edges) ... but it’s amazing now what a bit of rocker, asymmetric shape and magnaT gives you Wink
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@rayscoops, Absolutely. We run our Bataleon Triple Base boards at 0, 90. Edge catches - what are they?
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@NickyJ, if you have a 1 degree base edge file holder run some black felt tip pen over the edges then run a stone/file (in the guide) over the edge then if it all comes of nicely then you have 1 degree.

Side edge, with boards these are variable, if its a brand new board, then do the felt tip test with your side edge angel holder, to see if its 1 (89) 2 ( 88 ) 3 ( 87), or just decide what angle you want to have.
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Layne wrote:
... With no angle on the base it would engage instantly which by and large (slalom racers excepted) you don't want. A one degree is enough to make the ski/board ride more predictably but still very responsive.
Yeah but you don't actually need to be in a race in order to want race performance. That explains my car and my Kessler SL and a few other toys.
Whatever, I think you should tune boards the way the designer intended, which for Kessler is 0.5 base and 3 side.
For powder boards I don't care as I don't ride them if there's any danger of needing to use the edge.
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Thanks all. Going with my 1 degree base tool and using 90degree for edge angle, seems to have gone fine.

Done some little p-tex fills where a couple of sinks on the edges. Board is now cooling after applying reconditioning wax.

Thanks for all the help
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Most average recreational riders wouldn't 'feel' the difference between 88 / 89 / 90 ...... apart from when the lesser grabs and slams 'em

One and one usually ends up as the default due to servicing

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Quite, and far more important than a degree or so

I roll them off a lot, and over a longer 'location' ....... I guess it's an old guy thing ......
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BCjohnny wrote:
Most average recreational riders wouldn't 'feel' the difference between 88 / 89 / 90 ...... apart from when the lesser grabs and slams 'em

One and one usually ends up as the default due to servicing

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and then you de-tune the edges ... just a little bit and just in a small location ... or maybe not for some? Very Happy


Quite, and far more important than a degree or so

I roll them off a lot, and over a longer 'location' ....... I guess it's an old guy thing ......


I bought a Jones Hovercraft a couple of years ago. "Nose and tail detuned from the factory" it said in the blurb. It was weirdly 'grabby' even when riding flat base you'd suddenly feel something engage and the board pull and slow. I took it into a shops service centre and they detuned the nose, saying it hadn't been done at all. Totally different board. I didn't realise what it was and how much difference it made.
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rogg wrote:
BCjohnny wrote:
Most average recreational riders wouldn't 'feel' the difference between 88 / 89 / 90 ...... apart from when the lesser grabs and slams 'em

One and one usually ends up as the default due to servicing

rayscoops wrote:
and then you de-tune the edges ... just a little bit and just in a small location ... or maybe not for some? Very Happy


Quite, and far more important than a degree or so

I roll them off a lot, and over a longer 'location' ....... I guess it's an old guy thing ......


I bought a Jones Hovercraft a couple of years ago. "Nose and tail detuned from the factory" it said in the blurb. It was weirdly 'grabby' even when riding flat base you'd suddenly feel something engage and the board pull and slow. I took it into a shops service centre and they detuned the nose, saying it hadn't been done at all. Totally different board. I didn't realise what it was and how much difference it made.


This sounds like something I may need to research further!
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@BCjohnny, I generally just run my file down the edges to sharpen them so probably have different angles all the way down the board, sometimes though, just take a bit off the sharpness at the top and bottom.

However sometimes when I don’t detune, I really do feel the board catching the the front toe edge when riding on flattish ground (normally tracks) and wanting to turn when I do not want to turn - I would call it ‘twitchy’ and probably an issue for learners or intermediates not being able to react to adjust their center of gravity ... a face plant is the normal outcome Skullie
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The 3D base on the newer hovercrafts definitely helps as well. Don’t feel the need to detune mine although only really ride it in new snow.
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