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BASI Level 2: doable?

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The standard at L1 might not appear to be very high, but in order to pass you need to be technically accurate in your skills. Your movement patterns, timing, rate and range of those movements, ability to vary the blend of how you steer your skis, all with an absence of obvious bad habits, will need to be at the level required to pass the course. As holiday skiers we don't have to develop that level of accuracy in order to have a fun time, which is why @davidof is absolutely correct to observe that people who have been skiing a long time, especially if they've not had much technical instruction, might have trouble ensuring their skiing is adaptable and accurate enough.
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kitenski wrote:
@swskier, all BASI L1 courses I've seen have been over a week. Inside out have done specfic BASI training over weekends from memory....

http://www.insideoutskiing.com/snowheads/index.html


That's my experience looking around, surprised it's not something that happens, without looking in to too much detail, i'd be inclined to look in to doing IASI instead purely on the basis that it's possible to do so without using up annual leave.
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^^^This. I can ski reasonably well for a punter, but totally fail when asked to do a BASI style snowplough turn. Seem to have completely skipped that! I once had a very interesting discussion with a BASI trainer about my complete inability to ski using rotational skills and not edges snowHead snowHead snowHead
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JamesHJ wrote:
^^^This. I can ski reasonably well for a punter, but totally fail when asked to do a BASI style snowplough turn. Seem to have completely skipped that! I once had a very interesting discussion with a BASI trainer about my complete inability to ski using rotational skills and not edges snowHead snowHead snowHead
That's a frequent issue when candidates have a race background. I always see the July L1 course at Hemel, which often has kids who train with one of the local ski race clubs; they've completed their school exams and look to crack through the L1 before the summer holidays get in to full swing. Often very good skiers, but unable to get off their edges as that contradicts everything they work in in their race club training. They do well on longs and shorts, but ugly as hell on their Central Theme (progression that beginners use from Day 1 through to skinny parallel turns).
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oh and you are going about it the right way, doing your research and getting some training in. From memory the Inside Out Day I did with Rob included all the snow plough stuff so it was a really good day to get a feel for everything.

The other positive point is that you can go into L2 having passed L1 and not be up to standard. You are getting top notch instruction with the aim of getting you through the course.
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JamesHJ wrote:
^^^This. I can ski reasonably well for a punter, but totally fail when asked to do a BASI style snowplough turn. Seem to have completely skipped that! I once had a very interesting discussion with a BASI trainer about my complete inability to ski using rotational skills and not edges snowHead snowHead snowHead

Not an issue if you were taught Old School - and that was all you had, for years!
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Well I've booked an afternoon with Inside Out with an eye to a BASI course in late autumn/early winter depending on what they say. I probably won't be able to get a BASI level 2 in this winter but I should be able to:

- Pass BASI 1
- Sort out the child safety certificate and first aid
- Do 35 hours with a ski school, preferably the same school that does the:
- BASI level 2 coaching. BASS look really good, they have something called 'Flexi Pro' where you do bits of the course over a period of time. I should be able to wedge this in around work.

Next winter I'll do an early course in November or similar maybe, BASI run build-up courses and one of those might be useful.
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Looking forward to giving you a good run in Smile

Good choice with BASS and their flexi programme, Andy Jerram or Lesley Page would most likely be taking that course and both are very good trainers... Be an idea to find out who will be taking the sessions and I can forward your video to either AJ or Lesley both of who I know well..
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@boobleblooble, sounds like a spot on plan, enjoy the journey!!
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@boobleblooble, similar to my plan although I will follow the IASI route.

Good luck!
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I was looking at these two programmes: BASS in Morzine and Altitude Future in Switzerland. How is it AF can offer 300 hours of coaching, season pass and airport transfer for £4,900 (https://www.altitude-futures.com/courses/basi-gap-courses/#PRICES) but BASS only offer 141 hours of coaching for £2,850 (http://bassprotraining.com/become-a-ski-instructor/bass-pro-2/)? BASS include 70 hours shadowing an instructor but shouldn't that be free as all you're doing is observing?

Just seems odd that the two are so different.
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Both look really good to me. It's a lot of coaching and the more the better but obviously, those gap courses are quite expensive, especially in Switerzland. As said before, if you have a good level of skiing already do the L1 here in the UK. I've done the IASI L1 recently and although you need to be able to adjust fairly quickly there is a lot of coaching from the trainers, I really enjoyed the course and learned loads. Having the L1 done, with one week of focused coaching in the mountains, I believe you can go for the L2 and skip a full gap course program, you will have to sort all the extras such as first aid, shadowing and etc but by yourself but if budget matters for you, your pocket will be way happier. That's my plan if things go ahead this winter. Unfortunately, it's looking increasingly less likely that traveling will be viable but... fingers crossed.
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Gustavobs wrote:
Having the L1 done, with one week of focused coaching in the mountains, I believe you can go for the L2 and skip a full gap course program, you will have to sort all the extras such as first aid, shadowing and etc but by yourself but if budget matters for you, your pocket will be way happier.
This is an important point. It seems to me that there is a perception held by some people when they are thinking about starting instructor qualifications that the "gap course" is the only way to do it, with a multi-week training course an essential element of doing the qualification. This is not the case. You can simply book the instructor courses when you meet the requirements (no requirements for L1, some requirements for L2). It's what I did when I started, booking the L1 in the December, the L2 the following February and starting on the L3 modules at the end of that winter.

That said, if you are not confident that your skiing at the level, the gap courses are normally good value for money. You get a lot of coaching in a very supportive environment, in a short period of time. But it's not the only way to do instructor exams.
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rob@rar wrote:
Gustavobs wrote:
Having the L1 done, with one week of focused coaching in the mountains, I believe you can go for the L2 and skip a full gap course program, you will have to sort all the extras such as first aid, shadowing and etc but by yourself but if budget matters for you, your pocket will be way happier.
This is an important point. It seems to me that there is a perception held by some people when they are thinking about starting instructor qualifications that the "gap course" is the only way to do it, with a multi-week training course an essential element of doing the qualification. This is not the case. You can simply book the instructor courses when you meet the requirements (no requirements for L1, some requirements for L2). It's what I did when I started, booking the L1 in the December, the L2 the following February and starting on the L3 modules at the end of that winter.

That said, if you are not confident that your skiing at the level, the gap courses are normally good value for money. You get a lot of coaching in a very supportive environment, in a short period of time. But it's not the only way to do instructor exams.


This is a similar route to what i'm planning myself.

L1 IASI booked at Hemel in November, and the L2 depends on what happens with Covid. Due to go to Canada in Feb, but if that doesn't happen, planning on trying to do the L2 in March instead. Getting the shadowing hours in is where i'll struggle, working full time, leaving only weekends, and i'll need to fit in a first aid course over a weekend as well.

Was planning on seeing if I can do my shadow hours at a snowdome, but they're all 2.5 hours away, which means I couldn't get them in during the weekday evenings.
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@swskier, Dryslope? My daughter did her L1 shadowing at one nearby. Took most of the winter as it was GCSE year.
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IASI have just announced that you'll be able to do part of L2 (looks like demonstrating the core skier development skills and some teaching) via a 2-day course at a snowdome. This will count as a credit towards the complete L2 which will still need to be done in the mountains.

Seems like a really great idea given the current circumstances and one which I'll be very interested in taking up.
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rob@rar wrote:
But it's not the only way to do instructor exams.


I would echo that and suggest those thinking of embarking on the Instructor pathway also look at the Snowsport England (Scotland or Wales) coaching schemes, perhaps doing as I did, both SSE and BASI\IASI in parallel.

As a starting point, the SSE Level 1 training weekend offers a low cost way of getting some initial training and should give access to a mentor coach and shadowing opportunities through the slope running the course. In addition, there are some differences between the schemes which are beneficial if you plan to work through the systems, and the SSE work book and resource packs are excellent.

https://www.snowsportengland.org.uk/ukss-ski/
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@Claude B, that's an option i'm going to explore as well, have a couple local to me I could try, especially for some evening hours mid week.

@narbs, I've just seen that on Facebook, sounds great, so hopefully I'll be able to get part way towards L2 this season, and perhaps finish off during the summer/autumn.
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Agreed, someone posted on here years ago that after L2 they'd not had any formal training except for racing. I will be trying a 'Gap' course this winter though as I don't really have the confidence to just get on with it and will be ski-bumming the whole season too, so will at least be able to find some ski buddies through the course.
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@Gustavobs, Do you know if the 70 hours required for L2 include the 20 for L1, or is it an additional 70, making up 90 hours in total for L1 and 2?
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swskier wrote:
@Gustavobs, Do you know if the 70 hours required for L2 include the 20 for L1, or is it an additional 70, making up 90 hours in total for L1 and 2?
70 hours in total before you do the L2 course, I believe.
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Yes 70 hours total before you can start your l2.
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@swskier, I thought l1 was 35 hours after the exam to get your certificate? Then you need to do another 35 before your l2 and proof submitted a week before the l2 starts.
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kitenski wrote:
@swskier, I thought l1 was 35 hours after the exam to get your certificate? Then you need to do another 35 before your l2 and proof submitted a week before the l2 starts.
20 hours for IASI L1. 70 hours (in total) for L2.
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@rob@rar, brill thanks, I could have waited for my L1 course next month to check, but good to know.

@kitenski, as @rob@rar says, IASI is what i'm doing, confusing given the title of this topic, but I knew Gustavobs had said he's also doing IASI.
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@swskier, good luck, enjoy if you can!
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@swskier, good luck. I have found the trainers very supportive. Is your exam with Ski Definition?

You can start reading the manual and understanding the IASI progression. Your knowledge will be tested throughout the course =)
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@Gustavobs, yes, Ski Definition.

I've made a start on the materials, will keep going over it between now and mid November.
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@swskier, good, they are great
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@swskier, good, they are great


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