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Tignes and The Espace Killy 2019/20 (Useful Links Page 1)

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Really disappointed that they would do this without immediately replacing the old lift...Don't recall such an instance previously - where such a lovely circuit is spoiled by a lift removal.

It's very significant (and inconvenient) for those coming from Les Boisses and Les Brevieres.
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@mountainaddict, I did hear rumours that it was condemned and it's licence was removed.

It has happened before in Val, when the Cema chairs predecessor was condemned in the early part of the century. The only way off the Pissailas was on a rope being towed by a piste basher.

Still inconvenient though!
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Bummer. They do seem intent in isolating Brev/Boisses. That's two way's out gone in 3 seasons, and makes Aguille Rouge and Bleutes even more of a bottleneck.

I doubt Marais was anyone's favourite lift, and it could be perishingly cold in bad weather. However, I'll miss is, and next time we're in Lo Soli we'll hold a wake in it's memory. Very Happy
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@Judwin, There is a plan to put 2 4 man chairs to replace the old two. But with covid drop in income from last year I suspect timescales may slip....
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Bummer. They do seem intent in isolating Brev/Boisses. That's two way's out gone in 3 seasons, and makes Aguille Rouge and Bleutes even more of a bottleneck.

I doubt Marais was anyone's favourite lift, and it could be perishingly cold in bad weather. However, I'll miss is, and next time we're in Lo Soli we'll hold a wake in it's memory. Very Happy


We usually do Tignes in January (cold !), and for that reason I have probably done that lift maybe 5 times in 20 or so years of visits.
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@chocksaway, www.skiresort.info suggests 6 seater detachable chairlifts for Marais and Aiguille Rouge.
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It has happened before in Val, when the Cema chairs predecessor was condemned in the early part of the century. The only way off the Pissailas was on a rope being towed by a piste basher.

I remember it well. A bit of fun
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@johnE, Until the noob in front fell over Shocked
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Assuming Tignes brings in similar rules:- More cleaning in accommodation - Brit chalet/chalet-hotel staff (if there are any in the coming season??) will have less mountain time.
Sitting only service in bars with 1 meter/fixed wall separation will vastly reduce capacity, especially hard for small bars and/or those without outside seating. I presume there will be no seating at the bar, either. Could this be the death of bar based live music in resort? And with reduced capacity will it be one out, one in? With the probable reduced income (and increased staff to wait on tables & control numbers coming in?) I wouln't be surprised at significant price increases.
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Any current info on self isolation rules in tignes for uk arrivals?
Is it still 2 weeks?
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There are no special rules for isolation in Tignes. The rules will be what are in force in France bit may be adjusted locally by the prefacture.

Checkout the Tignes Web page for the latest info on CV19 and glacier opening on 17th October Very Happy
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There are no special rules for isolation in Tignes. The rules will be what are in force in France bit may be adjusted locally by the prefacture.

Checkout the Tignes Web page for the latest info on CV19 and glacier opening on 17th October Very Happy

Thanks although it was the National rules I am trying to establish
When uk did the 14 day thing on France a junior minister said they were going to reciprocate but as far as I can see nothing was put into la Loi!
French isolation seems less draconian than the uk version
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snowornever wrote:

French isolation seems less draconian than the uk version


Not really. The French just seem to obey the rules without all the stupid questions.

During April and May for example you were only allowed out for 2 hr per day and then only within 1 km of your home.
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Realistically, how feasible is any trip to France next winter looking with the UK at 4,000 cases a day & rising....and France 10,000 Shocked cases a day and rising...??

It just seems sheer folly to announce that (for understandable reasons) it will be ski/board business as usual in the Alps.... Confused
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Might as well risk it in the alps as risk is less there than here outdoors mostly don’t do pubs/clubs self catering
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stewart woodward wrote:
snowornever wrote:

French isolation seems less draconian than the uk version


Not really. The French just seem to obey the rules without all the stupid questions.

During April and May for example you were only allowed out for 2 hr per day and then only within 1 km of your home.


1hr/1km with restrictions on activities.
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It seems to me that skiing can be done perfectly safely with the minimum of inconvenience with a few exceptions.

1. Cable cars - a No-No. Bubbles - keep in your social bubble
2. Lunch/Drinks - Go to outdoor bar/restaurant spaces only. Assume bar/restaurants may be given additional space to allow distancing. Or just do not go to apres.
3. Accom - self catering or apply simple rules, staggered meals, use of boot rooms, reduced numbers.

By definition staff have to be tested regularly

We will all have to allow for the fact it will be difficult or unpredictable. I can put up with that for my skiing fix. So still preparing to come out

Economic collapse of many/most resort businesses will be an inevitable result of a non-season
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Agreed Mark1863...

The only thing which would make me think twice is limiting lift capacity, leading to massive queues-we don't go peak weeks anyway but I wouldn't want to pay full whack without getting a fair ski return.
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I concur with that. High Season is going to be difficult. My view is the resorts will have to restrict numbers.
No intention of being in resort over Christmas or during the Feb-Mar half-term melee. If I am it will be because of quarantine restrictions coming in and out of UK; just easier to stay out. In that case, try to keep off the beaten track, etc.
It is probably going up the mountain at off-peak times, very early, lunchtime, late on etc.
So - if allowed - I will be there winter opening weekend; maybe before if my rowing coaching has pretty much stopped before that
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I suspect numbers will police themselves a little during peak times - some people will not go because of Covid even if the rules allow, some will have financial issues, people who normally go catered chalet won't be able to get anything, some will be concerned about having to self isolate on their return, etc. etc.

Or maybe that is just me hoping.... as we still planning on going Christmas week.
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@Mark1863, @Layne, what are you planning on doing re: insurance? The exclusion for medical if you contract Covid whilst in resort with MPI is vexing us. Everything else we can control or manage. With no EU reciprocity, it’s the only issue we are really struggling with. The only cover we’ve found so far has an age limit of 59 which would exclude us. Any views or info?
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Interestingly I am with MPI and they have not written to tell me that I would not be covered. Up to end of year the EHIC applies. Problem thereafter. I am over 59
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https://mpibrokers.com/news-advice/mpi-news/mpi-now-covers-emergency-medical-expenses-if-you-contract-coronavirus-overseas Indicates there is some cover under medical expenses. Need to refer to my policy and see what that section covers.
My policy shows
Under Emergency Med expenses you have £1-5 million cover depending on policy
You appear not to be covered for anything else if your policy started after mid-March 2020.
My annual Policy expires late Feb 2021.
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Regarding the facemask on lifts rule. On Fbook those using the Tignes lifts for mountain biking in the summer say it was a bit of a pain - helmet off, mask on, helmet on, get on lift & reverse at the top.
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@Mark1863, thanks for that-I’m going to give them a ring to clarify. I’m not bothered about cancellation or curtailment, but if one of us contracted the virus whilst we’re there (we would be there for 11 weeks) I don’t want to be left without cover for medical costs. I feel like we can manage most other things to a level if risk that is just about acceptable, but we will try and think of an alternative plan for the middle two weeks of Feb when the Parisian schools are on holiday. Maybe decamp to a small resort in Italy.... we usually go home for those weeks but tricky with 2 week quarantine in place. We’ll be grateful for anything we can get to be honest. Even a few weeks.
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@lynnecha, Let us know what they say. Cheers.
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@Mark1863, @Layne, what are you planning on doing re: insurance? The exclusion for medical if you contract Covid whilst in resort with MPI is vexing us. Everything else we can control or manage. With no EU reciprocity, it’s the only issue we are really struggling with. The only cover we’ve found so far has an age limit of 59 which would exclude us. Any views or info?

I'm going at Christmas so EU reciprocity still in play. My current policy is with Asda and covers Covid https://money.asda.com/travel-insurance/

Won't travel against FCO advice.

If we have to quarantine for 14 days on return that could be a problem as my son will be due back in school after 7 and won't be keen on home schooling for a week.

I am going to pull out all the stops to get the Christmas week skiing because we already missed our second week in the Spring and I think the family really needs the break and I think the chances of infection is very low risk.
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Might as well risk it in the alps as risk is less there than here outdoors mostly don’t do pubs/clubs self catering
Don’t see issue?
Agreed re the outdoor aspect and would be self catering but what about:
- Getting there. Being jammed in a plane for a couple of hours still doesn't have much appeal. We have 3 GVA flights booked between Dec & Mar... We took a chance in Mar when easyjet put them on sale (after all, Boris said we'd be sorted in 12 weeks wink)
- Quarantine for 2 weeks on return....
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if the quarantine on return is lifted....we are definitely going, although going to lose the chalet we had booked as they are not refunding cancellations if you have to quarantine on return.

Chunnel is booked so would just need to load car and go................and find other accommodation if chose option gets rebooked......but suspect there will be plenty of availability
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Might as well risk it in the alps as risk is less there than here outdoors mostly don’t do pubs/clubs self catering
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Agreed re the outdoor aspect and would be self catering but what about:
- Getting there. Being jammed in a plane for a couple of hours still doesn't have much appeal. We have 3 GVA flights booked between Dec & Mar... We took a chance in Mar when easyjet put them on sale (after all, Boris said we'd be sorted in 12 weeks wink)
- Quarantine for 2 weeks on return....

Read somewhere recently that flying isn't as risky as you'd think. Air is well circulated and if you mask up, sanitise the hands and all that good stuff. I think aside from the actual laws and regulations people have to make their own call also. I take part in an organised indoor sport and 90% of people playing - but 10% just don't want to take the risk. And that is what it ultimately comes down to.
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Might as well risk it in the alps as risk is less there than here outdoors mostly don’t do pubs/clubs self catering
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Agreed re the outdoor aspect and would be self catering but what about:
- Getting there. Being jammed in a plane for a couple of hours still doesn't have much appeal. We have 3 GVA flights booked between Dec & Mar... We took a chance in Mar when easyjet put them on sale (after all, Boris said we'd be sorted in 12 weeks wink)
- Quarantine for 2 weeks on return....


We drive , very good hotels on way and back,pat of the holiday, length of stay makes 14 days isolation on return bearable
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@Mark1863, spoke to MPI this morning. They confirmed that if there is an FCO warning in place, there is no Covid cover under any section of the policy, including Urgent Medical Cover. All other situations are covered under the Urgent Medical Cover, so if you are injured, have a non-Covid illness, etc. it is covered. If the FCO warning is lifted whilst you are in resort, the Urgent Medical Cover for Covid automatically kicks back in. They were very helpful and very clear, but there is definitely no cover for Covid whilst the FCO warning is in place. Hope that helps.
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Cheers @lynnecha.

I think that is standard right... if you travel against FCO advice you automatically invalidate your travel insurance cover - otherwise you are good? I mean as forgetting Covid.

And now as far as Covid is concerned it just falls into line...?
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@Layne, the difference with MPI seasonnaires policy is that you don't invalidate your cover. It is just the Covid cover which does not apply, but other medical costs are still insured which is an important distinction for us. We are researching the market with a specialist broker to see if we can find anything which will fill the gap for an extended stay. It's a long shot, but if I find anything I will report back.
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Doesnt the daily express and Madden make the same forecast at this time every year?
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I will look at what EHIC provides up to 31/12/20. Look as if the under 30s throughout much of Europe may have done for us. The rest of us who have social distanced, worn masks etc were wasting our time as far as this is concerned.
I have lost an uncle so I do not take this lightly. Now openly rude to people not following regulations.
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Also looking at the insurance problem here. Still keen to travel over to Tignes early Nov. for the season, unless the situation deteriorates so much that it's getting like it was in the spring. Will be driving across and staying in own flat, so minimising those risks that I can (and have never been much of an apres animal...). Glad of the MPI clarification, thanks @lynnecha; do let us know if you find something that fills the gap this leaves. I have been looking into health insurance as opposed to travel insurance and most health insurance policies maintain C-19 cover even if you travel against FCO guidance. Some, however, exclude off-piste skiing (and any treatment needed as a consequence of any off-piste accident). Ball park cost of health cover looks like about double (ball park) of travel cover. Will report back once I've checked a few more companies.

Also going to look into a long-stay visa. I'm expecting the 90/180 rule to apply as a minimum, as indeed it already does even for EU citizens (but largely ignored / not enforced).

Wonder: is the insurance thing worth a separate thread aimed at seasonnaires & long-stays?
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@bobski62,

Will carte Neige cover your off piste insurance requirements.
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It gets me into the medical centre, but at that point the standard Carte Neige would then hand over to your normal insurance or French health system. And for some health cover policies, that onward treatment is not included if the injury was sustained skiing off piste. Only some, others do include. Once I've had a good gander about I'll post up what I've found out.

The higher cover that I think you get with Carte Neige as an option or if your take a 'licence competiteur' might go beyond just dumping you in the cabinet medical but not read the fine print yet.
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@bobski62, yes, the broker I asked to outlook the market is a health insurance broker so I will come back with anything she comes up with. My thinking is that if the MPI covers Ugent Medical Costs for skiing and non-Covid related requirements, it is just the contracting Covid in the resort which needs to be covered.

@Mark1863, we lost a very dear friend, so my condolences to you about your uncle. Like you, we are not taking this lightly.

The bottom line question for us now is the level of risk in just being there. As it stands we are just about ok with January risk, not so much for second week February onwards.

Yes, a fresh thread would be a good idea, but I don't know how to make a link to post here. Can someone do that perhaps? I will put any updates on the new thread.

Bon chance à tous.
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