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The Arlberg Snow Report 2020/2021 (Dec 4 to April 25)

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@Markymark29, fair enough. Can't blame people for not renewing at the moment, if that was an option. Still sorry about the change of use though, I liked that one.
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@Scarlet, yep good bar.
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@nunex, there are a number of large apartments / chalets to be found on the usual tourist office website https://www.stantonamarlberg.com/de though all of these will be self catering. Catered chalets are less common. There are some UK companies though how many of them will be running chalets in the upcoming season is an open question, simply do a search on Google but you are likely to find a focus on the more expensive end of the market. I believe there are some Dutch and Scandinavian companies running chalets but that might be out of date info. Again contacting the tourist office is probably a good first step.
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Thanks a lot munich_irish
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Jules was given notice at the beginning of last season.. There maybe a new location but because of CV19 this may be on hold...

The owner of the building ejected everyone including the rooms & apartment's occupied by very long (20+ yrs) term ski bums
some who had invested considerable sums of money into their apartments


Apres Ski is OFF this season

Entsprechend werde es etwa Apres Ski heuer "so nicht geben".
Details nannte der Kanzler nicht. Er verwies diesbezüglich auf
Tourismusministerin Elisabeth Köstinger (ÖVP) und Gesundheitsminister Rudi Anschober (Grüne),
die ein Konzept vorlegen würden.

"""Accordingly, Apres Ski, for example, "will not exist like this" this year.
The chancellor did not give details. In this regard, he referred to
Tourism Minister Elisabeth Köstinger (ÖVP) and Health Minister Rudi Anschober (Greens),
who would present a concept.""""

https://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/coronavirus-kurz-will-im-winter-skigebiete-und-schulen-offen-halten/401024693
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So that European “renting rather than buying” that you have promoted in the past didn’t work out so well then?
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@stanton, "Apres Ski is OFF this season".
I'll believe that when I don't see it in January!
One benefit of Covid could be that the slopes will be very quiet this coming season. Vintage snowfall as well? Very Happy
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@davidthornton, Apres ski as it was previously won't exist IMHO, it's not off, it will be different. Maybe more like what the English pubs I've been to have done, outside only, max groups of 6 who are in a household on one table, service to the table, no live music etc et
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The rules for bars and restaurants in Austria are clearly set out (in German) on the Corona traffic light site https://corona-ampel.gv.at/ , no reason to think those in ski resorts will be any different.

In "green" ie low risk areas that means (via Google translate)

Normal operation under increased hygienic conditions

Curfew at 1.00 a.m.
Comply with distance rules between visitor groups (no restriction on numbers in a group) or tables and at the buffet or other suitable protective measures


In "yellow" ie raised risk areas

Curfew at 1.00 a.m.
MNS (ie masks) for staff in service (expected to apply from September 11, 2020)
Comply with distance rules between visitor groups or tables and at the buffet or other suitable protective measures
Recommendation for contact data collection (except for take-away)


I suspect if the risk goes higher then there wont be much skiing anyway in that particular area so the rules for having a beer will be rather moot.

The rules dont specifically mention live music etc but it seems clear that no traditional apres such as the Moose / KK or clubs like the Piccadilly will be not be allowed for the time being. I have however read of some places (I believe in Sölden but might be wrong) that are planning something along the lines of "normal" apres, we shall see.
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@munich_irish, @davidthornton, @kitenski,

Anyone heading out to Austria 2020/21 for Apres Ski should prepare themselves for a "Wiener Konditorei" experience.

Apres Ski guidelines (New Concept) will be set out by Vienna and announced in the next few weeks.

Austrian Government has made that very CLEAR that it will not be as before

.....Entsprechend werde es etwa Apres Ski heuer "so nicht geben"....
.....Accordingly, Apres Ski, for example, "will not exist like this" this year.....

Alcohol consumption regulated (shot rounds maybe banned)
Music will be turned down.(background music)
Live music indoors will be without "sing a long music"
Everyone will have to be seated
Terrace controls with Social Distancing i.e regulated numbers

If the Moose, KK etc open this season expect them to be along the lines of Restaurants ONLY:..


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@stanton, Aargh! Is there nothing sacred? My favourite lift......hopefully not another chuffin' gondola.....bah.
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It would be a pretty short gondola? Detachable chair? is it going to be on the same alignment?
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Geek question on the snow patches on the hills, do they last until the next winter, or melt completely before the "serious" snows hang around for the new season??
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Last of the 'tough' lifts, Albona 2. Nothing to beat a cold slow chair, sorts the men (and women) from the boys (and the girls)!
Plenty of time on the ascent to survey the routes down and the conditions.
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Just a note on The Current CV19 Austrian Data

https://orf.at/corona/stories/daten/

Positive cases creeping up Valley towards St Anton...There are now 4 new Positives in Zams 3 new positives in Strengen

Over 200 active positive down in Innsbruck

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/d225672c788d4847b231f1283d63aead/page/page_2/
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St.Anton am Arlberg

Covid19 – Risikomanagement Wintertourismus

Après-Ski und Nachtlokale

Ein erhöhtes Infektionsrisiko durch große Menschenansammlungen in Partyatmosphäre gilt es unter allen Umständen zu vermeiden. Sowohl nach dem Skibetrieb als auch in den Abend- und Nachtstunden wird es diese in gewohnter Weise im kommenden Winter deshalb nicht geben. Der Sicherheit dienende Vorschriften werden derzeit erarbeitet. Hier sind die Regionen auch von den Verordnungen des Landes und der Bundesregierung abhängig. Die Einhaltung von geltenden Regelungen, wie z.B. ein Alkoholverbot auf öffentlichen Plätzen, wird verstärkt überwacht.

''''Après ski and night clubs

An increased risk of infection due to large gatherings of people in a party areas must be avoided at all costs. Therefore, after skiing as well as in the evening and night hours, crowds of people won’t be allowed in the usual way in the coming winter. Safety regulations are currently being developed. Here, the regions are also dependent on State regulations and federal government. Compliance with existing regulations, such as a ban on alcohol in public places, will be monitored more closely'''''''
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I wonder how the crowds in the mountain restaurants, eg Gampen & Galzig, will be managed. Reducing capacity by removing chairs would only create a bigger crowd in the foyer areas. I also could not image how such restaurants could be converted to table service.

Managing numbers on the ski buses could also be an interesting exercise.

It will be a different ski season, assuming it goes ahead.
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@ulmerhutte, Restaurants are not a big issue as you have to be seated anyway, no standing at the bar. Maybe there could be some reduction in the number of places though generally that hasnt happened much up to now though most people sit outside. Masks have to be worn whilst moving around, that would apply to queuing for food.

Buses more difficult to manage numbers perhaps simply more of them?

In any case visitors numbers are likely to be sharply down, dont think there will be many visitors from the southern hemisphere!

In all of this predicting what will be happening in a weeks time let alone three months time is rather pointless.
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Gampen and Rendl restaurants, in particular, would be almost impossible to manage under Covid circumstances, especially Rendl where it is the only restaurant on that mountain. Outside seating during a blizzard? The interiors of those places in bad weather are usually intensely crowded. Then you have the lift systems, with restricted seats/places there would be big queues, Galzigbahn and Gampenbahn at 10am!!! As mentioned, also the skibuses.
Of course visitor numbers could be well down voluntarily, so that would help manage numbers on the mountains, but many skiers will still want their 'fix' in 2021.
IMHO the only practical solution would be for officialdom to limit the number of beds available, say reduce by 50%. Obviously, compensation would have to be paid to hoteliers and gasthaus owners based on occupancy rates from previous winters. That would be easy to apply as police road checkpoints would only allow through people with bookings. Same at the station. No day visitors.
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This season (it is planned) to use a contact tracing tool in St Anton.

IT is intended to be used in all bars / restaurants / cafes throughout the Town during the winter.

There wil be a QR code at the entrance to all establishments, via Whatsapp / SMS to a server (GDPR compliant)
28 Days saved. If a positive case occurs, the persons will be texted.

Arlbergerbergbahnen (Lift Operator) Restaurants (Winter Regulations)

In Short.. If you are standing anywhere in ANY of the Lift Company Facilities/Buildings you MUST wear a FACEMASK.

https://www.stantonamarlberg.com/de/archiv/highlights-news/covid19-risikomanagement-wintertourismus/aktuelle-informationen-der-bergrestaurants-fuer-die-wintersaison-20-21

https://www.stantonamarlberg.com/en/archiv/highlights-news/covid19-risk-management-winter-tourism/current-information-from-the-mountain-restaurants-for-the-winter-season-20-21


New Rules as of Monday 21st for any Bars/Restuarant etc in Austria

Wear a mask and disinfect your hands when entering and leaving a Bar or Restuarant etc.
Wear your mask when ever you walk around or go to the toilets.
Table service only.
No standing at the Bar.
No interacting (hands or talking close) with Employees/Service Personnel. Keep distance at least 1metre.

https://www.austria.info/en/service-and-facts/coronavirus-information

https://www.tyrol.com/information-coronavirus

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360 Degree Fotos ... Enjoy

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@stanton, those sort of "rules" have been in force here in Bavaria since the Gasthofs reopened 4 months ago, nothing particularly new about them. Similar"rules" were in force when I was in Italy last month and I guess in most countries around Europe.
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@munich_irish, for some reason the Austrians dropped the mask wearing rules. Don't understand why. I expect with the second wave well underway they will tighten up anyway.
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@Steilhang, bad for business. There's a noticeable decline in retail and restaurant visitors when masks are required, and their own advisor stated that they made no difference to the infection rate. Concern over German tourists has caused them to bring masks back from tomorrow, as well as a 10 person limit on group sizes in restaurants and indoor meetings, weddings etc. in public.
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I reckon the emerging 2nd wave plus an expected vaccine this winter will change everything, for better AND for worse
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@Steilhang, Netherlands and Scandinavia were and are still even more liberal regardings masks
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@Langerzug, surprising considering Holland is considered a 'Risikogebiet'
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@Steilhang, by the Germans, not by the Austrians
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Here is more on the Test (at the Football ground) of the Contact App

https://www.tt.com/artikel/17351651/st-anton-contact-tracing-app-im-praxistest-fuer-den-winter

Lift Operations

As its stands the lift company has no plans to reduce capacity in/on the lifts as not required by law.

But can change by Federal law

They say if they have to , then they will not be running operations at full speed (this is normal)

The Lift Info is publically available on their website
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Curfew Western Austria (Tirol,SalzburgVoralberg)

All Bars etc must close at 22:00hrs from Friday.

https://www.tt.com/artikel/30753263/ab-freitag-tirol-legt-sperrstunde-in-gastro-auf-22-uhr-vor

https://www.vol.at/sperrstunde-um-22-uhr-event-und-nachtgastro-kaempft-um-existenz/6748491

The measure are Three weeks initially. Sure the number should reduce in the Big Citys but
St Anton & all Ski town are Ghost town's from now until December so it will not impact much..


The Dutch have now put a travel warning Innsbruck (specifically) on top of the Germans & Danes . This should worry the Officials in Austria.
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Looks like the peaks will be soon be white with snow in Tirol

https://www.bergfex.at/stanton-stchristoph/wetter/berg/
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@DB, not just the peaks, not just Tirol, and not just white.
It’s gonna be deep Very Happy
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Mountainwatch has gone big. Their forecasts however often prove to be, well, “optimistic”. That said, a moot point in September. The mountains will inevitably cycle through green to white, and back again, many times before the winter cover is established.
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Bearing in mind, the resorts that are likely to be closed are those with a young clientele and those who like to party and drink, I think St Anton is a very risky place to book a holiday for the 20-21 season...
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@cameronphillips2000, any sort of "party" is off the agenda next season, no loud music or standing. Whether spots like the Moose will even bother opening is open to question, they will only be able to offer seated service whether indoors or outside which is hardly what they are set up for. Basically ski and either quiet meal and drink sitting at a table or eat in your apartment. St Anton not likely to be any more of a risk than anywhere else.
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@cameronphillips2000, any sort of "party" is off the agenda next season, no loud music or standing. Whether spots like the Moose will even bother opening is open to question, they will only be able to offer seated service whether indoors or outside which is hardly what they are set up for. Basically ski and either quiet meal and drink sitting at a table or eat in your apartment. St Anton not likely to be any more of a risk than anywhere else.


It's all about the people who go there........
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@cameronphillips2000, unless they are going to try to start up private (and illegal) parties then they will be sorely disappointed. Anyone inclined to ignore the rules might find that the Austrian Police will be far more efficient in dealing with this than in the UK and they will very quickly be escorted out of the country! It will also be in the interest of all the hotel and chalet owners to ensure all their guests keep to the rules.
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I live near a university. They all just bought beers from Tescos and sat out in the road outside the line of pubs after ten last night.
They don't distance on the footpaths, in the supermarkets etc.
Sad to say bu the young are nowhere near as careful as the elderly with their distancing. .....
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@cameronphillips2000, compared to other Austrian villages, St.Anton has a relative high percentage of guests coming from overseas (flying). Hence it is to be expected that St.Anton will suffer more from Corona than villages with a predominantly continental (German, Dutch) clientele (by car).
It will be quiet probably, everywhere.
Assuming of course that lifts will open at all this december.... Puzzled
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@cameronphillips2000, any sort of "party" is off the agenda next season, no loud music or standing. Whether spots like the Moose will even bother opening is open to question, they will only be able to offer seated service whether indoors or outside which is hardly what they are set up for. Basically ski and either quiet meal and drink sitting at a table or eat in your apartment. St Anton not likely to be any more of a risk than anywhere else.


I would have thought the Moose could still make decent money even with a very different offering than in normal years. They have a lot of seating space inside and outside even in the normal configuration, and even more if they use more of the downstairs area which is usually packed with people standing. At lunchtime it's usually fairly popular for eating so maybe the evening time will just be more like a normal lunchtime. They have a small number of staff who work there all year round so they may just hire a smaller number of staff to offer a different style of business. I like it in there at lunchtime, it's quite laid back and you get to know a few of the staff which is handy when you need to get served at busy times. The places that I cannot see how it can work are Pub 37 - it's so small it's impossible to keep distance between people and the Piccadilly which relies on live music and lots of people standing.

The underground is going to be difficult too. People are normally seated quite close and the tables are big, Joan won't be able to just move people onto tables with a load of other people that they don't know which is how things normally work in there.
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