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New Marker Duke PT

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If the shift didn't exist then yes but the removable toe is a issue for me.
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I’m getting them on new Freeride skis. Looks like the best downhill binding with a PIN mode. Have Shifts on another pair so will compare
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BobinCH wrote:
....Looks like the best downhill binding with a PIN mode.....

I'd be interested to hear why you think that?
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Ok weighs the same or more in uphill mode as my F10/12. Doesn't hold me to the ski any better/wose. Doesn't fit all boots (need tech fittings). Doesn't adjust for many sizes. Expensive. Bits to loose. Kinda pointless marketing junk.....guess I'll see a lot on the hill.

For occasional use (more like backup uphill mode in case I end up in the wrong place) I'll stick with my F10's
For Touring use , real tech bindings - See Plum/Dynafit/G3/ATK etc.
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spyderjon wrote:
BobinCH wrote:
....Looks like the best downhill binding with a PIN mode.....

I'd be interested to hear why you think that?

BTW, I don't mean that as any kind of trick question. This season will be my third selling the Shifts and I'll be selling the PT's also (arriving mid Aug).
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spyderjon wrote:
spyderjon wrote:
BobinCH wrote:
....Looks like the best downhill binding with a PIN mode.....

I'd be interested to hear why you think that?

BTW, I don't mean that as any kind of trick question. This season will be my third selling the Shifts and I'll be selling the PT's also (arriving mid Aug).


Have Griffons on the DPS 124A’s which feel really solid as a downhill binding. Shifts on Blizzard Rustler 11’s also feel good but not as solid as Griffons. I hear Duke PT based on Griffon heel so expecting it will be the most solid Freeride binding downhill focused with occasional touring which is my gig. And Non scientific but all my Marker experience has been good.
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I hated my grifons, loved my vists (although more chance user error than bindings).
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PT 16's and 13's just arrived although that means another new jig Evil or Very Mad





I've had a lot of enquires re whether the new PT will work on skis mounted for Jester/Griffons.

The PT heel has the same L80mm x W32mm pattern as the Jester/Griffon but the metal insert worm drive track is a lot longer to give the greatly increased length adjustment.

The PT toe has a L46mm x W38mm pattern compared to the L31mm x W36mm of the Jester/Griffon.

Here's the PT mount in red alongside a Jester/Griffon mount in black, both at 300mm bsl and both mounted on the line. The heel holes are identical. The PT's toe locations straddle the rear toe locations of the Jester/Griffon by 15mm and 16mm so there's more than enough room for a conventional mount and sufficient room for a QK/BF mount even if the original mount was with inserts.



It's a pity that there's 2mm difference in the mounting width at the toe but if you wanted to use one of the pairs of Jester/Griffon holes then you'd end up +15mm or -16mm off the mounting line (assuming the same bsl) so very few will want to do that. But if you did want to do it (ie when there's a difference in bsl) then if you mounting the PT toe with inserts then the insert would enclose an original conventional mount and you'd be good to go.

So kudos to Marker for giving Jester/Griffon users the ability to upgrade their bindings without incurring any mounting hassle.

If anyone wants me to check the mounting hole compatibility with a different binding then advise the make/model/bsl of the existing mount plus the bsl for the Duke mount (if different) and I'll overlay the jigs to check.

And yes, the Duke PT's work great with Quiver Killer inserts and I have the screw sets in stock.
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@spyderjon, couldn’t you make a jig.
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jbob wrote:
@spyderjon, couldn’t you make a jig.

Puzzled . A jig for what?
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@spyderjon,

“PT 16's and 13's just arrived although that means another new jig”
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@jbob, I've got the new jig - it's the one pictured above with Duke PT written on it in big letters wink Laughing. I was just complaining that I had to fork out for yet another jig!
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Idris wrote:
Ok weighs the same or more in uphill mode as my F10/12. Doesn't hold me to the ski any better/wose. Doesn't fit all boots (need tech fittings). Doesn't adjust for many sizes. Expensive. Bits to loose. Kinda pointless marketing junk.....guess I'll see a lot on the hill.

For occasional use (more like backup uphill mode in case I end up in the wrong place) I'll stick with my F10's
For Touring use , real tech bindings - See Plum/Dynafit/G3/ATK etc.


Nail on head : this binding is 3 years late to party.
For a 50:50 ski the shift is a better option. For pure touring ski something like classic dynafit TLT is lighter / much better option.

Suspect the removable toe is simply to get around Salomon patents on the toe piece design?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Or looking at it another way, you can have a 16 DIN solid downhill binding, which can transform into a PIN binding. Who else offers this except CAST?
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BobinCH wrote:
Or looking at it another way, you can have a 16 DIN solid downhill binding, which can transform into a PIN binding. Who else offers this except CAST?


Why do I want DIN 16 unless I am skiing world cup GS race? I am 6 foot 3 and 14 stone. Usually ski at DIN 8 and never suffer pre-release.

If you want a 50:50 / one ski quiver to be used resort & touring then shift (DIN13!) looks like better option for most people? It's lighter, no removable toe paff and skis like an alpine binding. As ever touring equipment all about compromise : what goes down must go up
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Haggis_Trap wrote:
BobinCH wrote:
Or looking at it another way, you can have a 16 DIN solid downhill binding, which can transform into a PIN binding. Who else offers this except CAST?


Why do I want DIN 16 unless I am skiing world cup GS race? I am 6 foot 3 and 14 stone. Usually ski at DIN 8 and never suffer pre-release.

If you want a 50:50 / one ski quiver to be used resort & touring then shift (DIN13!) looks like better option for most people? It's lighter, no removable toe paff and skis like an alpine binding. As ever touring equipment all about compromise : what goes down must go up


You’re probably right for a 50/50 but I’m more of an 80/20 and would trade a Marker Alpine toe/heel for an extra 100g on the up. Griffon skis better than a Shift IMO. Maybe it’s the delta angle?
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BobinCH wrote:
Haggis_Trap wrote:
BobinCH wrote:
Or looking at it another way, you can have a 16 DIN solid downhill binding, which can transform into a PIN binding. Who else offers this except CAST?


Why do I want DIN 16 unless I am skiing world cup GS race? I am 6 foot 3 and 14 stone. Usually ski at DIN 8 and never suffer pre-release.

If you want a 50:50 / one ski quiver to be used resort & touring then shift (DIN13!) looks like better option for most people? It's lighter, no removable toe paff and skis like an alpine binding. As ever touring equipment all about compromise : what goes down must go up


You’re probably right for a 50/50 but I’m more of an 80/20 and would trade a Marker Alpine toe/heel for an extra 100g on the up. Griffon skis better than a Shift IMO. Maybe it’s the delta angle?


Just don’t drop that toe piece in all fluffy powder at the top transition or you will be 0/100 ! Very Happy
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@BobinCH I hope you do a review on the PT, you will be one of few people who have spent your own money on both products.

Also note the marker PT is more expensive than the shift approx £100 for PT 12 and £150 for the PT 16.
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Just done this mounting comparison for the TGR crowd which some might find useful. Same bsl and mounting line although when mounting the PT over an existing Kingpin mount and sharing the two toe holes will mean that the PT will be mounted 4mm back (which is effectively nothing).

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@spyderjon, That's a handy picture, thanks for that.

Yeah I think you just get the DIN16 over the Shift, though im guessing it was just a knee jerk reaction from Marker. "How can we use all our existing products to get a binding on the market as soon as possible before Solomon have the monopoly, while avoiding existing Patents". Obviously very few people actuallt need 16, but the Duke proved that people will buy it because it must therefore be more reliably built... so maybe they are not so foolish.

I've heard (perhaps unsurprisingly) that ice is a problem for reattaching the toe at the top of a long walk. But time will tell.
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