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Ski Club of Great Britain Chief Exec resigns

 Poster: A snowHead
Poster: A snowHead
OK, so now it seems we have eight tiers of people in SCGB groups?

1. Chair and CEO
2. Council
3. Employed Staff
4. Leaders
5. Reps
6. Seasonaires
7. Members with 20+ years of membership and at least 3 trips per season
8. Mere holiday skiers

Really makes me want to join up...
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On the rocks wrote:
To be fair 50% of them were women, especially those guarding the canapés from Scgb mere holiday skiers


Just out of interest when was that?
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 Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
@ousekjarr, regarding 4./5.
Don't you realise, they're not called reps any more.
Where have you been since the rebrand?

http://youtube.com/v/I3fF91jGdPM
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chocksaway wrote:
On the rocks wrote:
To be fair 50% of them were women, especially those guarding the canapés from Scgb mere holiday skiers


Just out of interest when was that?


March 2017
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@On the rocks, I suspect I know who you are talking about. That venue is now the foundations of a new hotel. If you come to Tignes again the social hour is at the Cave du Loop and all members get a chance at the food. I make sure of it, whilst politely trying to keep others out of it. Whilst I do not offer to ski with anybody, I do spend a lot of time offering advice, as i do on here. But I now ski regularly with people I have met through ILG.
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not the grumpy old men referred to the other day!


I'm not always that grumpy! wink

ILG days were run for different levels of skiers on different days . Ranging from intro to off-piste, to days that involved skinning and hiking. As an aside, I don't think that I've encountered a more realistic avi search practice prior to skiing. New Gen's Jerome certainly knows how (and where) to bury a bag. A bit of touring will find a weak link if there is one.
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 Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
Having come to skiing from a climbing background I was often dismayed at the SCGB approach to avalanche safety on leader days when I used to regularly participate in Argentiere. Transceivers were handed out to participants and told how to switch them on. There was no appreciation of skiers' ability to know how to use the model they were issued with, nor how to use them in a search should the worst happen and the leader or guide get wiped out. The follow the leader approach seemed to do little to foster the self reliance and mountain awareness I would expect of mates (particularly climbing mates) on a peer type skiing day, very occasionally a leader may have, for example, pointed out why they were avoiding a convex slope.

At least on Freshtracks holidays transceiver practice is a required part of the week, but I found the exercises on my FT holidays fell far short of Snoworks in terms of simulating a real incident.

The time is past now but I think it would have been better if the leaders had done more to foster self reliance amongst their members, but this may have gone against the Leader/Punter model.
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 After all it is free Go on u know u want to!
After all it is free Go on u know u want to!
ousekjarr wrote:
@GeorgeVII, do you not see that as being part of the problem though? The SCGB almost certainly paid a reduced rate for the guide and instructor, but £60 in total from 3 people means it is always running at a severe loss and the more people use it, the more the club loses. The ILG with a group of 4 would also result in a loss - they probably can't break even on any of them, even if 6 people turned up.


Absolutely. Reminds me of a broken welfare system circa 1970s. Some of us really don't like the idea that others are subsidising our skiing. All feels a bit grubby somehow - it's a comparatively affluent sport, if you want something and can afford it go and pay for it. If not, save up.

But never mind, those Leaders who agreed through gritted teeth that they would support the club and pay for some of their own expenses this season, probably won't when it really comes down to it. What would you do? Book and pay for your own carefree ski trip or pay to go and work? It's been handled pathetically - I'd say they can have their freebie if they actively go out and promote the club and sign up X new members. You know, like they used to! Quid pro quo Clarice.

I've had a look at the new virtual Ski+Board. I'm confused, it's just another website, one that is doing what the main website should be doing on an ongoing basis, like being updated consistently - keeping us interested, giving us news etc. Only now they have created another URL just to confuse and annoy Google. Even major Global corporations like Apple manage to run absolutely everything under one URL apple.com with /uk or /fr etc. And you need a log in to access the virtual Ski+Board which begs the questions How many are going to bother? What's the big secret? and Why, when you've gone to the trouble to create original content? - surely they want all skiers to make it their first port of call for anything ski related - then, assuming they can present some real compelling USPs, want to join up. It's now like some kind of secret dark web society, or the Masons.

The Interim Chairman's report is now laughably late.
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Pruman wrote:
The Interim Chairman's report is now laughably late.


In danger of being the doctor turning up with the livesaving treatment long after the corpse has been buried and the last mourners are leaving the wake?
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Pruman wrote:
... I've had a look at the new virtual Ski+Board. I'm confused, it's just another website .... surely they want all skiers to make it their first port of call for anything ski related - then, assuming they can present some real compelling USPs, want to join up. It's now like some kind of secret dark web society, or the Masons....
That's the same mind-set which enabled this site to exist and flourish. I guess they're going to make the same mistake over and over until the money runs out. I wonder if it's not a state of mind which comes from being in a relatively powerful position: they don't expect to need to have to fight for it like everyone else does.
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Nothing wrong with Ski+Board having some good stuff behind a log-in, and so available to subscribing members only. But absolutely agree it should be on the main site. And (for the whole site as well) there should be enough attractive free material to tempt everyone to look at the site, PLUS an indication that there is much more available if you join...

Say:
- Ski+Board: opening paragraph of articles available to all, full article to members only (which is how many newspapers now work)
- snow reports: current year to all, past years to members only (AND an indication to all that it is all there; you just have to sign-up...)
- resorts: summary details to all, but full details to members only
etc.

It may be that this is how it works at the moment, but I don't find many links that say "this content available to members only....". So as a non-member there is nothing much on the website that tempts me to join... (In fact, rather the opposite: e.g. it advertises "up to 24 season's worth of snow data", but as I can see only 2018-19, it appears to just not live up to the hype).
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 And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
philwig wrote:
Pruman wrote:
... I've had a look at the new virtual Ski+Board. I'm confused, it's just another website .... surely they want all skiers to make it their first port of call for anything ski related - then, assuming they can present some real compelling USPs, want to join up. It's now like some kind of secret dark web society, or the Masons....
That's the same mind-set which enabled this site to exist and flourish. I guess they're going to make the same mistake over and over until the money runs out. I wonder if it's not a state of mind which comes from being in a relatively powerful position: they don't expect to need to have to fight for it like everyone else does.

Except if they intended that only members could access it, they've failed. If you try and access Ski+Board it says: "As Ski+board is a Member benefit you will need a password to access this. You can find this password in your Ski Club locker." I left the Club at the end of April, but still have a login. On the off-chance, I logged in and had a look in my "locker" and what should I find but the (not very imaginative) member password for Ski+Board.
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 So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much
So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much
You don't need to be a paying member to access Ski+Board, just signed up to the website.
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 You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
Out of idle curiosity, I just e-thumbed through one of the free back copies of S+B. One article which related directly to snowboarding, about how Slopestyle snowboarders are at the highest risk of injury. Not one other snowboard related article or advert in the rest of the thing. I think the last time I did the same thing (albeit in the paper-form) I had exactly the same experience, although I think it was an article about How to try snowboarding for a day or something of that ilk.

I should be these guys key demographic, years of Snowsports experience, family of winters ports enthusiasts, consistently hitting the French resorts twice a season. But I cannot for the life of me find anything they can offer me as a snowboarder.
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 Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Richard_Sideways wrote:

I should be these guys key demographic,


clearly not in their demographic then...

I must admit that as a skier I don't find S&B interesting or engaging, maybe its not really 'snow sports' which are key....
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Richard_Sideways wrote:
... One article which related directly to snowboarding, about how Slopestyle snowboarders are at the highest risk of injury....
April 2018 may be the one to which you refer.
I looked quickly at the images which had easily recognisable skiers or snowboarders in them and counted 27 skiers and 1 snowboarder,
although the snowboarder's used to illustrate an article explaining that snowboarding's dangerous.

Richard_Sideways wrote:
...I should be these guys key demographic, years of Snowsports experience, family of winters ports enthusiasts, consistently hitting the French resorts twice a season. ....

bob wrote:
...clearly not in their demographic then...

In which case they are at best completely confused about their market.
The name of the publication is "ski and board", but this copy at least "doesn't do boarding" and that's no accident.
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 Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Let's be honest the SCGB never really did or got snowboarding. Didn't really fit with the reactionary attitudes of some of their older cohort at the time (let's say the 90s when snowboarding really became a mass market thing) and snowboarders' inclinition to JFDI and get into what they wanted. Then of course things like SCUK (& formerly AdrenalinTrip) eventually emerged as both digital hubs and real world clubs with their own discount offers etc on a fraction of the overhead of SCGB.

On the odd occasion I've flipped through a copy of Ski & Board, the tokenism of the latter is abundantly clear, notwithstanding that they may at times have employed young people who snowboarded at times in the editorial team.


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Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
Let's be honest the SCGB never really did or got snowboarding
....notwithstanding that they may at times have employed young people who snowboarded at times in the editorial team.

TV Smith: "the mistake was fighting the change, was staying the same."

If the scgb have not accommodated something which happened 40 years ago,
perhaps one could deduce something about their ability to deal with change.
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Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
Pruman wrote:
The Interim Chairman's report is now laughably late.


In danger of being the doctor turning up with the livesaving treatment long after the corpse has been buried and the last mourners are leaving the wake?


I think the memorial service is over as well. The graphs are all pointing the wrong way, the HQ staff don't care, the Reps are revolting (couldn't resist that but wait til they have to start shelling out hard cash to go and rep), Members are mostly ambivalent or deserting, the websites are unloved, the French hate it, snowboarders are discriminated against, they can't even get minutes of the AGM out or a report on the debacle. If it was a sick old cat you'd be down at the vets doing the deed by now.
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I think they have been surviving on the sale proceeds of their prev grand HQ in Eaton Square, Belgravia, 20+ years ago. Trouble is, it's not a bottomless pit...
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@stephen buck, Whilst there's still a bit of cash left to be wasted then there's no impetus for change. If anything those left are now trying to bleed the corpse for themselves at the expense of others. It's a grossly overstaffed and over expensed business which has no prospect of ever getting back to break even. It has no product to 'sell' any more. The cash reserves will be gone soon, and then that's it.
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