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@patrick!, thanks. I have read a lot of Balzac but not that one
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@davidof, Nice, though I think he has the wrong skis for the conditions (Soul 7 HD) Very Happy Very Happy
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@davidof, I love this story, if true.

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German mountain troops on the move, March '44
On the 14th a detachment of German mountain troops were dispatched to l’Alpe d’Huez looking for members of the resistance. All the men in the village were lined up outside Grand Hotel and questionned. The commander Schegel showed them a paper “I have an order to shoot you all and burn l’Alpe d’Huez to the ground, but I don’t want to harm this ski resort, in an hour I will be gone”. Later rumours reached the resort that the Commandant had been shot at Vizille for disobeying orders but in 1951 he was back at the resort as part of the Austrian bobsleigh team competing in the world championships.


I looked into this a bit more, Paul Vieux-Pernon said he was amongst the men stopped by Schlegel and Georges Rajon met him in 1951. The Vieux-Pernons are a big Oisans family.

The tourist board has been looking into the story, if you are over at l'Alpe it could be worth popping in and seeing if they were able to trace this Commandant Schlegel.
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@davidof, hopefully I'll be over there later this month. I'll look.


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Here's Chamrousse around the start of the 20th century



the mountain at the back on the left is the Brouffier and on the right its la Grande Serre. The ski tourer is in the Roche Beranger area.
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The Allevard ski club touring, possibly 1950s. Note the ropes rather than climbing skins. Probably in the Belledonne.

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I've been hunting down old photos and found a few.

From near where the resort entrance is now, 1950s.


Venosc end, 1950s again I think. Large building is UNCM (now UCPA) which was built about 1950. What is now Place de Venosc would be in front of it.


I found an old brochure including this piste map online. It was labelled as 1975 but I think it's far earlier, about 1969. Until 1971 we topped out at 2450m. I found this statement on the brochure highly amusing "Thanks to a Mediterranean climate winter fog and mist are unknown at Les Deux Alpes" Laughing
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Old, wooden skilift in Eastern Canada in 1965.

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Pre ski resort days and WW2 I think



The glacier on the Muzelle far larger than in the summer now.
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Étienne Livacic and his clients at l'Alpe d'Huez sometime in the 1940s. Skitouring, in the background la Muzelle.

High Mountain Guide and skier. In 1945 he set up the Alpe d’Huez section of the ski instructors federation and helped create the Syndicat des moniteurs du ski français. He had Medal #11 of the ESF. He died aged 36 during a descent of the aiguille Ravanel on the 1st August 1948 after being hit by stonefall. A porter and two clients escaped. He is buried in the new cemetery at Chamonix.
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I've accumulated quite a collection of old photographs, generally old postcards. Interesting to delve into the past.

This is from the late 40s I think. Generally just old buildings which had been there for many years when it was just the grazing pasture for Venosc. The first big building this end was the UCPA built in 1952 and enlarged in the mid 60s. Chalet Mounier is there too. Opened as a refuge in 1879 it became a small hotel in 1933. Now vastly different it is 4* with a Michelin 1* restaurant. Paul Michel was a well known local photographer who died about 20 years ago. Many of those old buildings are still here in various guises.


This is from about 1953. Téléski de Pied Moutet which opened in 1950. The small building at the bottom is actually Hotel Edelweiss which was built on stilts because it was marshy at that time. It opened in 1952 with just 4 bedrooms, again still there but vastly different.


This is quite an interesting article in french about "the first mountain aerodrome" (I'm sure there are many others claiming that) opened here in 1945.
https://www.anciens-aerodromes.com/?p=32815
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It appears St Anton was a well known resort in 1931. For some amazing skiing filmed there see


http://youtube.com/v/QSYrvA59F5M
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^ Good watch.

Ice skating had been a Summer Olympics sport since 1908. Ice hockey since 1920. The first Winter Olympics with skiing started in 1924.

By the 1930s, despite cr*p skis and clothing, skiing was growing fast among the rich 10% near the European Alps.

Only WW2 in the 1940s slowed its growth.
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