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Something to increase Waistline Warmth?

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I have a Norrona Lofoten Pro Outfit and I wear a sweat wicking T-shirt, a Merino base-layer, and an Ortovox Merino soft shell jacket underneath.
I also wear one or two sets of Merino long-johns, depending on how cold it is.
This is a bunch of top-line expensive stuff.
This all works brilliantly apart from ... my waist/lower back tends to get cold, ie where all these garments meet.
I have tried basic stuff like pulling layers over layers but nothing seems to work consistently.

Has anyone had a similar problem and come up with a good solution?

Any suggestions/advice appreciated!

Currently up a mountain in Canada ......
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@FoofyNoo, i have resorted to wrapping a pashmina round my middle. I know that sounds a bit poncy ....
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One thing that keeps my lower back and waist warm is my back protector. It has a velcro belt that also keeps the layers underneath in place.

Are you wearing a softshell under another shell or insulated layer ?
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Are you fastening the powder skirt to seal the bottom of your jacket from drafts?
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rjs wrote:
Are you wearing a softshell under another shell or insulated layer ?


It's more of an isulated layer than a full soft shell jacket.
I will look into the back protector idea ... thanks
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spyderjon wrote:
Are you fastening the powder skirt to seal the bottom of your jacket from drafts?


Yup .. at first I forgot to do this until a stint in Japan powder permanently jogged my memory Laughing
Now I do it up every time.

I think that a lot of dynamic off-piste skiing is just pulling the layers apart and letting cold air in.
This is never noticeable when actually skiing but I really feel it on a chairlift.
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Have you tried eating 3 of these a day for 3 months pre season?

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Icebreaker sheep suit or a monsie - one piece base layers. Also handy for puppetry and general ninja shenanigans.
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@FoofyNoo, my lower back has never been warmer since I got my Helly Hansen Sogn bibs. No drafts get in, and when you sit down you get a lovely puff of warm air coming up round your waist and lower back. I realise that it would be a drastic solution, given you've already got some seriously fancy trousers, but bibs would solve the problem.
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@FoofyNoo, one of my friends had a neoprene kidney belt to keep her lower back warm when we were sailing in the winter. I borrowed it once - worked a treat (under a dry suit). No idea where you'd get one from though.
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You might try cycling bib tights. These come in a range of thickness, and you should be able to find a pair *without* a chammy pad as I'd expect a pad to be seriously uncomfortable when skiing.

Something like this, maybe?
https://www.wiggle.co.uk/endura-fs260-pro-thermo-bib-tights-no-pad/
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mgrolf wrote:
@FoofyNoo, one of my friends had a neoprene kidney belt to keep her lower back warm when we were sailing in the winter. I borrowed it once - worked a treat (under a dry suit). No idea where you'd get one from though.


I've got one of these- its a simple wrap around overlap with velcro
. I'm pretty sure I bought it in one of the pound shop / home bargains shops for very little money . Its blue and in their wrist/knee/back support range.
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You need a pair of these bad boys!!




https://shapermint.com/collections/shapewear/products/empetua-all-day-every-day-shaper-boyshort?variant=21968696082492
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All-in-one skisuit.
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@FoofyNoo, overlap alternate layers should do it? Works for me.

One thought - is moisture getting trapped under your layers?
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Replace the longjohns with one of these...

https://rab.equipment/uk/power-stretch-pro-bib
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Roguevfr wrote:
mgrolf wrote:
@FoofyNoo, one of my friends had a neoprene kidney belt to keep her lower back warm when we were sailing in the winter. I borrowed it once - worked a treat (under a dry suit). No idea where you'd get one from though.


I've got one of these- its a simple wrap around overlap with velcro
. I'm pretty sure I bought it in one of the pound shop / home bargains shops for very little money . Its blue and in their wrist/knee/back support range.


Back in the 80's bikers (particularly German ones I seem to remember) would wear leather kidney belts under two piece leathers to keep their midriffs warm.
I had one, it worked.
Then I switched to race reps and garish one pieces for the 90's!
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I've personally always worn a cummerbund when skiing, it keeps my waist warm and is handy if I accidentally ski through a wedding reception.
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Loads of totally brilliant suggestions!
And some slightly dubious one's...... Very Happy
I will sift through them and get back to you with my preferred solution.

Thanks everyone!
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beer & pies

or bib pants
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A one piece swim suit?
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I've got a snow skirt built in to my ski trousers, works perfectly.
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I wear a kidney warmer....something like this. They're great as you can weave your top and bottom layers over them and whip them off easily if it gets a bit too warm. I use them all the time, not just winter!
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They may look odd but this is what I wear to avoid the cold middle-bit: https://rab.equipment/uk/power-stretch-pro-bib
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Decathlon back support, neoprene, keeps things warm around the middle. Especially good to insulate against a cold chair lift or to keep stuff from riding up.

Probably the cheapest easy option to test, I have mine in the bag for every trip, and has the added benefit of a bit more support when you hit a pile of slushy snow and are getting thrown over the handlebars.
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Also handy for puppetry ...
Are you a cold-weather puppeteer? Very Happy
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All in one ski suit is the answer, when I started skiing years ago everyone wore one, unless it was more than minus 15 all I wore apart from it was a pair of pants, if you dont want to wear one buy a all in one under layer
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I ended up buying this .....

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B016VV1YXS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1&tag=amz07b-21

It worked perfectly!
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One-piece ski suit.
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I can't be a rsed to read the thread but have you tried a thermal one-piece? Norrona make them and they're excellent. Everyone takes the wee wee but if I fall I've got a warm belly and back afterwards! Also cheaper to buy together rather than separate.
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@FoofyNoo, it might be your underwear/boxer shorts/knickers (not sure if you are male or female) that is making you feel cold. If they are cotton mix it doesn't matter what is on top of them it is the undies next to the skin
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