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Are ski drills a waste of time?

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I think this is a rather obsessive blokey thing.

Just obsessive, not necessarily blokey. wink

True - but IME Blokes are generally more obsessive about their passions and hobbies than the Fairer Sex, who usually take a more rational approach....just browse the various hobby forums.
Randomly, I'm guessing that most quilters are members of "the Fairer Sex" (wha-a-at?!) - take a look at this, obsessive doesn't even begin to cover it: https://www.quiltingboard.com/main-f1/
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I’ve written down salient notes from the lessons that I’ve had. I use drills a lot on my first day of each holiday to speed up getting back to the level that I was at 10 months ago when I last skied. I’m of the mind-set where I’m always looking for improvement. I understand that for many skiers that isn’t their goal. I have been given drills to do that haven’t worked. In one case every student didn’t get the drill and the instructor soon found another which did work. You’ve got to try them all in order to find out which ones work for you and which ones do not. Obviously yo only use the ones that do...
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There people who just enjoy learning. Then there're people who just enjoy doing, however badly. The whole population of course, span the whole spectrum between those extremes.

For those who enjoy learning, drills are THE JOY of skiing (or swimming, or tennis, whatever!). Movements are somewhat non-intuitive, perfect setup for lots of drills and plenty of revelation that comes with it.

But a lot more people aren't like that. They just want to be in the mountains. They cruise around looking at scenery, or hunting for the next bar/restaurants. They may take a lesson when the visibility is poor and nothing to see. Or just fill the time till Apres. But otherwise are happy enough not to do boring drills.

Granted, even for people who don't find drills "enjoyable", if they get instant benefits (that "Aha!" moment), they maybe more receptive to more drills.

For the "born learners", drills are anything but "waste of time". But for the "doers", yes. For the rest of us in between? It's a waste of time unless it's clearly helpful at the time and can be taken to regular skiing.

This is not to be confused to the professionals who NEED to be at their best in doing what they do. They get paid for doing it, lest not forget.
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Great discussion.

@valais2 interesting you talk about the time involved and repetition involved in learning. I've heard comparisons about blocks of learning (ie how we do ski lessons on holiday) vs more spread out sessions over a period of, say, weeks. The blocks of sessions tend to get you good quickly, but the learning isn't as permenent. The more spread out sessions tend to impart more in-grained learning. I'd be interested to know if there's any research on that?

I guess if there is, then that demonstrates the power of using local dry or indoor slopes.

Of course there will be other factors at play too (motivation to learn, enjoyment, quality of instructuon/practice etc...)

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