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Badgastein 2020

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I was trying to write a trip report but somehow pressed the wrong button a long way through and lost it all and frankly cannot face starting again.

However, if anyone wants more info either put Q on this thread or PM me.

Sorry, I hate computers and the chromebook whilst being excellent overall has things on the lefthand side that do mean if your finger errs you lose the whole lot or it is still there in the ether but heavens knows where
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@countryman, great timing - have just started looking at this area for the first time, due to finding ridiculously cheap Salzburg flights.

We wouldn't be going until the last weekend in March, but it would be good to get your thoughts on the ski area as a whole and the best place to base yourself in the valley.
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There are four ski areas which are connected by bus. Between areas half hour frequency but from hotels to lifts within a town seemed more frequent than this. So unless close to a lift the bus timetable is vital. Main area is badgastein and badhofgastein. They link in a valley station called Angertal which you can get to by skibus. Actually quite a lot of skiing is above treeline for an Austrian resort sort of 1/3 above and 2/3 below. Whilst here are some lovely blues most of the skiing is on reds which are good challenging and long. I would say on the blacker end then bluer. There is a lovely 11k red run claiming to be the longest valley descent in salzburgerland down to badhofgastein sadly served by a two person fixed grip chair (or perhaps happily!). Even there worst queue was less than 10 minutes. Best access seemed to be Angertal or badgastein - the only day I tried badhofgastein horrid queues at the gondola. Second area half hour two busride from badgastein was dorfgastein. A lower and more tree covered area of a reasonable size, reds arguably slightly easier and a very nice long slightly challenging blue top to bottom on dorfgastein side. Some nice looking restaurants. Third area graukogel in badgastein and fourth area sportgastein not skied. Whilst I was there high winds shut top lifts for a couple of days and although it snowed I felt sportgastein might have been a little scalped in places. Listening pretty good. Piste marking excellent. Mostly good lifts. A lot of gondolas. Rail accessible 1 1/2 hours from Salzburg. Stunning valley. Badgastein town where I stayed is a rather tired old spa town in a steep valley with a waterfall through the middle. The action is up at the top by the rail station and gondola - bars, shops etc. The corner bar shows six Nations although commentary in german! Couldn't really comment on badhofgastein or dorfgastein although the last looked a bit dormitory and apartmenty around the lift. Travelled with sunweb.
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@Valluga, It's on my short list for exactly the same week.

@countryman, many thanks for starting this thread. What I'd be specifically interested in, over and above what you've written is:

whether it's a good place for a non-skier to find things to do then get a gondola up to meet for lunch or at the end of the day?

and whether there are plenty of good value places to eat out in town which would make self-catering a viable option?
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Non-skier. Spas. Suspect a bit of walking but for a whole week? Salzburg is E30ish 1 1/2 hours train return and places like kitzbuhrl and sell am see again train gettable. Suspect more valleyish walking in dorf or badhof. Although the train goes through a tunnel to the south the valley stops south of badgastein so it effectively a south North valley. I assume that one can get a pedestrian pass on gondolas and as always with Austria plenty of places to eat on the mountain. Ahornhutte just below badgastein gondola middle station superb goulash soup. More goulash than soup. As for badgastein not quite so sure as I was on HB. Suspect a few places up near the rail station and gondola but further down the hill probably more restricted. It is quite a steep hill. Cannot comment on badhof or dorfgastein although nice bar restaurant close to lift station at dorfgastein.
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Thanks for posting.
We're thinking of going to that area next week but are hesitant because the piste maps seems to be mostly reds - I don't mind reds but I want to be able to ski them, not fight my way down.
When you say the reds are at the black end - narrow? Steep? Bumpy?
Are they all difficult reds would you say, in that the whole resort is downgrading the markings?
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@Scamper, unlike some resorts where they seem to 'invent' red runs, the reds in the Gastein valley are genuine reds. They are not overly steep, narrow or bumpy but consistant in gradient and in most cases fairly long runs.

I don't think they are on the black end they are just not on the blue side. I have had several holidays in the Gasteinertal and the skiing is excellent. The area however does not have much easy blue run skiing. For blue's Dorfgastein/Grossarl is the best bet but this area is still mainly genuine red skiing. The Dorfgastein valley run has been downgraded to blue since it was widened slightly but it is still the trickiest run in the area in my opinion when the snow is soft.

Schlossalm probably slightly easier skiing than Stubnerkogel with the exception of the Hohe Scharte run which is outstanding, a proper red which tests your stamina doing it top to bottom.

Some excellent huts, Hirshenhutte and Waldgasthof both in Angertal I can recommend from last season and Wengeralm at Dorfgastein is the best in the Valley.

Never had the need to visit Sportgastein since we have always had good snow and its a trek from where we normally stay in Dorfgastein.

To sum up, don't expect easy (blue/red) red runs, they are lengthy red runs of a consist pitch.
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For non skiers you can get the Gastein Guest card from most hotels which gives reduced fares on buses and trains

There is some cross country skiing and snowshoeing in the area and Bad Hofgastein has a lovely spa area with heated indoor and outdoor pools

There are walks along the valley by the river and some lovely walks up by Angertal starting in the ski area

As others have stated there aren't really any easy blue runs as most have a consistent pitch

Non skiers can get to mountain restaurants but bear in mind that the restaurants are not adjacent to the gondola arrival stations, most that we visited you had to walk approx. 200m down/up the side of the piste
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@3offthetee, thank you, that gives me a good idea of what to expect.
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@countryman, @3offthetee, @gazza330, Thanks for all the invaluable advice. I's a complex group I'm trying to plan for, incuding 2nd week skiers, so I'll cross this one off the list.

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I think for a second week skier it might be a bit challenging. The long blue B21 is accessible off a chairlift in the Angertal as are a couple of other blues. Reds are very nice and wide but definite reds. Lots of ski schools there tho' so there must be lots of developers other than the local schollkids having their ski days

3offthetee +1 for Wengeralm had very good grostl there and excellent waiter service.
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Sounds a great area. Close to an interesting city, scenic and doable by train. Rugby on the telly. Why haven’t I heard about the area before?

I like the sound of lots of real reds. We have been to quite a few resorts where many of the reds are not too far off the blues, its tempting just to cruise around and you don't progress or get pushed.
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There is a good week of skiing there for intermediate skiers. Early intermediates not so much and I would not recommend it for beginners or early intermediates. Not many cruisey blues.For non skiers the Spas in Gastein and Hofgastein are topclass. Non skiers can take the gondolas from Hofgastein, Gastein and Angertal to get to the top of the mountain for the views and the restaurants. Special mention for the single chairlift that brings you to Belleview Alm from Gastein. A mountain restaurant that is hundreds of years old.
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Great info, sounds very promising. Aside from the slope grading and the need for buses, can anyone advise on how it compares to other resorts in the Salzburg area (I'm thinking Saalbach, Schladming and Flachau)?
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@Valluga, my recollection of it was that the skiing was okay, though disconnected, the apres was almost non-existent (although I was staying in a catered chalet, which had its own bar), and there was an annoying walk to get to the main gondola by the railway station.
Plus points were the spa, and the Ski Miquel chalet we stayed in.
However I much preferred Saalbach (even before I’d acquired my own place there) in every respect except the spa.
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@tatmanstours, thanks for the info.

Yes, Saalbach is our favourite place, but we've just come back from there and have vowed to try somewhere new!
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I am sure Saabach is great and would love to go there but seems to have got very expensive and unless you book very early, which my diary never allows, no single rooms left which makes it even more expensive. A victim of its own success which is why one tries to search out other places. I would also look at Flachau area and Hochkonig if I could find places there, as accessible by public transport at a sensible price. Many have also mentioned Serfaus etc but getting there independently without hiring a car looks to be a bit of a schlep.
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