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When is it time to ditch an old pair of skis?

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You would think I'd already know the answer to this but I don't.

When you buy a new pair of skis and they are all bright and shiny with factory wax on them and we all love our new skis.
But the following season we try something else and we think its better.

When do we really need to throw the old skis away?
Is there still some life in them after 5 years?
or even 10 ?
Or Longer?
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@DrLawn, my last daily skis, 2010 Völkl Mantras lasted seasons 2011 thru 2017. So, pretty amazingly, 8 seasons of I guess 40-50 ski days a season.

Never had skis last like that before.

Reason to bin them was that they didn’t have enough base to actually tolerate a service.

Other than that...
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I have just binned some Skis, as Spyderjon advised me that the Bindings were no longer indemnified by the manufacturers, due to their age....and he'd seen several sets fail.

The skis themselves were OK, but new bindings won't fit.

This is just another angle to your question.
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Seems to me to vary considerably from one to another.

I bought some old Kastle skis, loosely dated to early 1970s from binding type, serviced them and ran them recently for "research" purpose. Absolutely nothing wrong with them structurally or otherwise, bought from a car boot sale with no idea of how they've been stored.

A pair of Salomon 1080 original type, bought news and only hand serviced by me, still fine and structurally without problems. Nearly 20 years old and seen quite a bit of use.

More recent Head Monster 88, lovely skis and one of my personal favourite, really started to fall apart with top sheet delamination both ends of both skis, repaired and still used until I crashed them and one bent upward in front of binding. One rockered and one straight so forced retirement for them.
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@Old Fartbag, the whole indemnification thing is a load of old smelly pants but Spyderjon’s experience is very definitely a thing worth treasuring and heeding. Imv.
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@Old Fartbag, the whole indemnification thing is a load of old smelly pants but Spyderjon’s experience is very definitely a thing worth treasuring and heeding. Imv.

That was the conclusion I came to. My beloved 2004 Atomic SL11s are more easily replaceable than my old knees.
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I think the question might be your tolerance to ski's that are now performing well below best. Like a car they may still get you from A to B but if your skiing is about enjoying the journey and having a bit of a poke then you'd need to upgrade sooner.

I'm not sure there is an objective answer.
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What I found with the seventies skis was that they lacked nothing in potency at all. They appear structurally perfect and punish any lack of technique with ease, just illustrates how very accepting modern ski design is of having a lazy driver aboard.

With good direction though they could certainly hook the edges up and run with some serious centrifugal force building up, certainly made me concentrate Very Happy

Built with decent materials integrity and attention to detail would seem to count for a lot. If they fall apart it's more to do with initial build etc in my view.
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Thanks for the input guys,
The only really old skis I have are a pair of Volkl Snow Ranger of about 1996 vintage, they are not carvers so a lot more of a handful, they caught me out a bit the last time I tried to use them which was on Royston Heath.
They didnt want to go the way I wanted them to Smile

I must admit that I only use my own boards now if I go to Hemmel Fridge, so I keep taking a pair of Kniessel Black Stars. I've never actually had them serviced ..
I used to have my skis serviced to death back in the day. But I'm not going to need the sharpest slippery skis in Hemmel Fridge.

If I drove to the alps again I'd probably fit a roof box and take all the old toys with me, but I find driving those sort of distances just too far now as I lake to take a nap quite often.

The real reason I ask the question is I have a pair of Salomon XT800 circa 2012 these too I have never had serviced and look to be in very good nick still.
The last outing they had was in Kicking Horse in about 2015.
I was wondering if they would still have that "pop" that skiers better than me talk about or will they be as tired as I am wink

I normally rent something these days, I go for either The Head Magnums or Salomon XMax12
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I just went out in the garage to look in nostalgia corner.
I love nostalgia.
Its given me an idea,
I should take my wife's skis on the next trip as we are going by train to Zell am See.
They are a pair of Atomic ETL short adult skis ... just 123cm long.
A bit like a pair of Blades but proper bindings.
She has decided not to ski any more after this years broken leg.
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“When is it time to ditch an old pair of skis?”
When they don’t match your new jacket and salopettes. wink
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@DrLawn,
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I was wondering if they would still have that "pop" that skiers bett


All skis -- especially those with a foam core, will deteriorate through use over time. If stored properly, and used spareingly they will pretty much last for ever. I too have some skis from the last century (Tua Big Easys), which don't get much use, but feel great when I get on them. My 2013 Mantras have got to their Use By date... a much much better skier than me skied them and said "They are doing you no favours"... so your XT800s would be fine.

A way of making any ski last longer is to never have therm shop serviced --- looking after the edges yourself by hand will remove less material. Waxing frequently minimises the risk of rock damage, by reducing friction, and accepting that the odd scratch isn't actually going to do any harm you can avoid ski shop grinders...
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A ski is done when both edges have been popped and you've gooped more expoxy in the top sheet than is strictly sensible. Until then you're just glory hunting.

Sez he - too many skis, not enough lifetime to ski them all out.....
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 You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
My 2013 Mantras have got to their Use By date... a much much better skier than me skied them and said "They are doing you no favours" Cheers gain guys..
@Awdbugga I cant see me getting another ski jacket ... in the rest of my ski lifetime..
I pop into Ellis Brighams, and I just can't work up any enthusiasms for any of the highly expensive kit there.
This reminded me and I just checked eBay .. and I've won a pair of 1980s style racing style pants Razz

@ski, I must admit I did not understand a bit of your post :
My 2013 Mantras have got to their Use By date... a much much better skier than me skied them and said "They are doing you no favours"
Did he mean they were on their way out?

@Dave of the Marmottes,
too many skis, not enough lifetime to ski them all out
I think I know that feeling Mad
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I ditched my Mantra's after many years. They just felt lifeless - possibly it was just me.
When i skied them alongside a newer ski i could tell they were knackered.
They are in the garage and have a Marker Duke binding on them if anyone wants to make an offer Very Happy
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I have just bought some head I speeds after several years of renting various models and manufacturers. The last skis I bought were kneissl white stars ( GS type things) in 1998. I absolutely loved them while carvers/parabolic skis were being developed. I had trouble changing my technique to the newer shapes as I got high sided frequently. As skis got laterally stiffer, I enjoyed them much more and now I can't ski on the old ones. I suspect that they are fine and, perhaps I'll take them for a spin in the snow dome for a laugh one day, but I only changed because I found something I liked better. If in doubt, experiment
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@DrLawn,
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Did he mean they were on their way out?



Yup --- too soft. And it was a she.
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@Dave of the Marmottes, On Kooky's old Atomic Access skis I have clamped and flex epoxied the last 20cm of topsheet on each end, some more than once. Still holding up Toofy Grin
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My Volkl Explosiv's are 25 years old and still in use, best crud / manky scottish powder ski ever. They do however have new bindings mounted at least.
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when to get rid of skis -

1. they break - blow an edge, delaminate, run out of edge to sharpen, get bent out of shape or go all floppy
2. you try something similar but better and have the cash for an upgrade
3. you realise that you are never going to use them (because it won't be worth carrying them to the Alps or under any condition you have an alternative you prefer)

The lifespan of skis varies massively depending on construction, how much you use them and how hard you treat them. Not useful to generalise.
I've got rid of four pairs of my own skis (and have one other that I've kept for visitors - have frame touring bindings and skins, handy for people who want to give skinning a try). Of those two were "broken" and two were just outdated/upgraded.
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