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New Board Recommendation with Burton Step Ons

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Absolut snow email notifying step ons are in stock
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If you're dead set on Step ons, then Absolute-Snow.com are selling Step On limited release Photon boots with bindings - but most sizes now gone.

You can also get the limited release Photon boots with bindings from Burton UK and EU websites right now. The full release (at which time you'll also be able to buy the Ion and Swath boots) will be 11th November I believe. If you want step ons, I would buy now now now. Photons are stiffer end of mid flex (I bought some non-step on Photons and am a beginner and they're fine for me). Ions will probably be too stiff so you don't want those. Swath will be softer than Photons, but still mid flex.
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TSA are also saying they have some Step Ons dropping too
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Yeah, I did check out the range earlier, but they only have the Photon's and I was erring towards the Swath, as the feedback from this thread (and what I've been reading) suggests the Photon could be a bit to bit a jump for my level at the mo.

What's interesting is that for the first time, you can now buy the boots and bindings separately (makes sense as I presume now they've allowed other manufacturers to produce boots this was inevitable).

Also, it seems Burton do free returns, so if you got the sizing wrong you could always send them back (if you don't wear them other than to try on of course).

So may hold off for now, but keep an eye open in a month's time while I carry on reading all the reviews I can find!
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I believe the Burton website sold them separately last year too. Yes I can confirm they take free returns. I bought Ruler and Photon wide boots and returned the Rulers as I decided on the Photons. They are a little more stiff compared to the Rulers (which aren't too dissimilar to the Swath), but even though I'm a beginner (only ever boarded on the Chill Factore slope) I'm finding them to be absolutely great and not "too difficult" for my lowly level. I'm 6"0 78kg btw, so not a big guy. I would recommend them as the Boas are really good (and not as flimsy as other companies' Boa cables as they use the same climbing rope as their Speedzone laces).

Full release 4th November btw, I was incorrect in my earlier post.
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Self bootfit will highly likely fail .
Why needs a long post..... common sense needs a couple of words as above .

Burton does true half sizes I would look at getting bootfit sizing help too get it more right than wrong as it is a complex learning curve and personal fit tolerance is individual .
Without increased ride time i think your paving a long road with self fit .
I went about 12 pairs 12 seasons roughly .

My first thought was this guy is talking uk shoes sizes buying new expensive priority alpine boots ....he is on the wrong page

Choosing to wait for the softer flex boot model going by the OP,s description of his riding seems he has made the right decision .
Have to say even though a entry rider the OP does seem well spoken and astute ... hes trying its not easy .

The real important thing with these stepins is the mechanical heel lockdown this is going to change the whole bootbinding game as we know it .
The ease of stepin feature is nothing new the heel hold is a major point .

http://youtube.com/v/U9p8piIGhgw

Where the boot heel is held mechanically this is similar..... lets say similar at this point....... to hardboot bindings or ski bindings .
This will be big news intergrated into any soft strap bindings .... not just stepins .
Burton could do it next .
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I would not normally recommend self bootfit generally, but have had bad experiences with even shops fitting properly (not recognising my wide feet made me upsize to a 13 in order to accommodate my feet width, when in reality I should have gone for wide boots and downsized to 11). There is a guy on the snowboarding forums who's a professional boot fitter in the US who gave me the best advice. How to calculate your foot width and Mondo size properly, which boots on the market accommodate that specific width (only two boots on the market are the correct EEE width for my feet). I took boots bought online having tried them on and made sure they were the right size, got them heat fitted and got aftermarket insoles to improve the fit/feel. Now they're perfect.


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Yes exactly the op should follow up in more detail
First thing is forget uk sizing mm/cm for feet and boots and get measured up accurately in mm.

My path was very similar to karasraf except earlier so less online input .
All dozen pairs were shop sized .
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Cool thanks for the pointers @Tirol 164, in Mondo sizing I'm 26, which I believe roughly equates to a UK 7 / Euro 40-41, but yep totally appreciate Mondo is better than shoe size for this.

Also, I have got custom insoles (and heat fitting) at Pro Feet in the past, which seemed to work pretty well, for boots (of any sort) I'd always go down that route. Albeit that was for Burton Moto's, which other's have suggested aren't the best comparable (also 5cm to big, I got Mondo size 26.5 at the time, but have worn Mondo 26's renting since, which feel right based on the descriptions I've read on-line about feel/movement within the boot etc).

I'm under no illusion shop fitting would be ideal of course!

No rush though, the next release is 4th November, so I'll keep researching away and see what other options come up over the next month.
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Thanks @vjmehra for starting this post. A lot of useful information here, even for female riders. Wow, Step Ons are so cool! The guy at the shop said though that they were meant for intermediate riders upwards so perhaps not for me at the moment... but something to aspire to perhaps in the future! Cool I can see Step Ons as the next revolution in snowboarding! Will definitely attract more people to give it a go... snowHead Good luck and let us know how you get on when you finally get your Step Ons @vjmehra! Very Happy
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Thanks @vjmehra for starting this post.

@aewynia, at least someone enjoyed it, can't say I did all the way through, ha!

But I agree I've learnt a lot and most people on here are pretty helpful.
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Interesting that the bindings are being sold separately now - gets more appealing for me. I usually switch board half way through the day and cant be bothered trying to swap bindings in a car park.

Would still want to properly demo them before committing though. Really like the NOW bindings for comfort and response, but they look interesting.
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Burton come to all the snow domes in the UK to allow demos of their gear including Step Ons about once a year. They were at Chill Factore in Manchester about 6 weeks ago. I'm sure they do this in most countries they operate in.
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@vjmehra, @karansaraf, has good advice. Seek on the guy on thesnowboardingforum.
IIRC you take a print out & then upload photos of your feet on them & he helps you from there.

If you really want to invest, then you could maybe arrange a trip to a flagship store. The one in innsbruck being the daddy.
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Make sure you go to a store and spend a lot of time trying the boots on. Be 100% sure they are comfortable before buying.

As has been said here before, different manufacturers have different last shapes.
For example, I have a size 10 salomon boot which fits great, but my last pair was k2 in a 10.5. Vans, 32, and forum boots were all simply too roomy for my foot shape. Last season I really loved the look of some Adidas boots, but trying them on, I knew they were not right for me, so no point buying.

The step on system will be great IF AND ONLY IF the Burton boot shape suits your feet. If the shape doesn't suit your feet any time you save on the hill thanks to the clip in feature will be negated by time spent adjusting painful boots.

It's your choice, but do consider that
1. £600 will easily buy you nice boots, nice bindings, PLUS a decent board AND you'd have change left over for enough 1 to 1 tuition that will raise your riding experience and skills to a level where binding clip in time won't be a consideration.
2. Say one of your bindings breaks. Do you have enough confidence in burton warranty system (I'm sure it's great) or are you comfortable with possibly having to buy new boots and bindings all over again?
3. Have you looked at alternative quick entry bindings such as flow?


As for board recommendations, the nitro prime and ride control are on glisshop at a decent discount
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@karansaraf, @Mr.Egg, @johndiamond, some awesome tips there, much appreciated!

Its probably not that much longer to Innsbruck than Hemel for me too (maybe not quite literally wink
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Tirol 164 wrote:

The real important thing with these stepins is the mechanical heel lockdown this is going to change the whole bootbinding game as we know it .
The ease of stepin feature is nothing new the heel hold is a major point .


we'll see it soon at some major competition. Will we see the main Burton atletes like Scotty James, Mark McMorris, Dany Davis etc. in step on's.? Not so sure.
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vjmehra wrote:
@karansaraf, @Mr.Egg, @johndiamond, some awesome tips there, much appreciated!

Its probably not that much longer to Innsbruck than Hemel for me too (maybe not quite literally wink


There is a test weekend @ Stubai glacier coming up
https://www.stubaier-gletscher.com/en/stubai-live/events/events/article/sportscheck-glacier-testival/

You could also contact Burton directly to see if they have any tests planned in the UK. I have always found them helpful.
They even told me what time Step-Ons was going on sale when they first got released. I checked 5mins after my purchase & 95% was already sold out.
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@kosmoz,
DC Shoes have already struck a deal with Burton & will release Step On Boots for 20/21 season
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Mr.Egg wrote:
@kosmoz,
DC Shoes have already struck a deal with Burton & will release Step On Boots for 20/21 season


and spring comes after winter, tell me what I didn't know already Laughing

speaking performance, heel lock from step-on + regular strap would be exceptional. For someone into pure performance that wouldn't be too complicated. Prototypes for top athletes for example.
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vjmehra wrote:
Cool thanks for the pointers @Tirol 164, in Mondo sizing I'm 26, which I believe roughly equates to a UK 7 / Euro 40-41, but yep totally appreciate Mondo is better than shoe size for this.

Also, I have got custom insoles (and heat fitting) at Pro Feet in the past, which seemed to work pretty well, for boots (of any sort) I'd always go down that route. Albeit that was for Burton Moto's, which other's have suggested aren't the best comparable (also 5cm to big, I got Mondo size 26.5 at the time, but have worn Mondo 26's renting since, which feel right based on the descriptions I've read on-line about feel/movement within the boot etc).

I'm under no illusion shop fitting would be ideal of course!

No rush though, the next release is 4th November, so I'll keep researching away and see what other options come up over the next month.


Both my wife and I went straight in last year at our actual shoe size. For both of us the fit was spot on. I have flat feet on the slightly wider side and even with this the boots are very comfortable. The only issue I have is due to my flat foot I have a pinch point on my left heel that actually squeezes the J-hook padding against nerves that are out of usual routing due to my foot being completely flat. After a weeks riding last year this had the issue of causing 2 toes to lose feeling for about a week, but now have some custom insoles and will be making an adjustment to the left foot inner j-hook padding.

Overall my view on this would be if you want to get in to the boots this year, order through Burton, order truefit size and Burton last year assured me if I needed any size adjustment that I could return the boots. When we went to the local store to buy our boards, we managed to get the boots heat moulded as well.
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