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Eurostar overnight - standard or premier?

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Hi,
We are planning to travel to Les Arcs on the overnight Eurostar on Dec 20th - 2 adults & 3 not so small children (15,13 & 10)!
Is there much difference between standard & premier class please? Any top tips?
Many thanks!
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I've taken the direct ski train before, I assume that's what you mean? Sadly most of the couchettes have been binned according to the Man in Seat 61's website. I took it back in 2012 and it's just like a normal train except some of the seats are marked as for ski kit only. You have to sleep upright or on the floor so it's not ideal. I found that we lost the first day due to tiredness but had the extra day at the end which was cool. I don't like flying or airports much so it was better overall. However, sleeping bag and pillow are essential unless you're OK sleeping upright.

When I took the Eurostar in 2016 I went Premier as there was some deal on. The carriages are quieter, you get some free food and a copy of the paper. I don't know if the seats were larger or anything like that.
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Hi yes direct ski train! Thanks for that info - I’m not great at sleeping sitting up but rest of family seem to be able to sleep anywhere! Thought we’d give it a go as airports were a nightmare last few times!
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I really like the lack of admin hassle: leave from a beautiful station after a few pints in the nearby pub and minimal security faff then you're away. Sleeping on the floor is the downside otherwise you can take as much food/drink as you like without having it thrown out/bought at extortionate prices. I'm not exactly swampy but the eco benefits are a plus as well.

I'll be taking the coach out next season which people don't like but I take a sleeping bag and get some reading done so it's never really bothered me.
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Hi Clarkey - have done both - I'd definitely go for the premium seating if I wanted to sleep - especially with larger kids in tow. Standard = 4 seats across width of the train - only 3 seats in the higher classes. Seats are both bigger and have more space around them.

Eurostar have banned booze on the overnight services for the last few years - lots of negative criticism on that but they seem to be sticking to it. The odd smuggled bottle has been known to make it - but they are definitely confiscating as well (given they scan your bags they should be able to find it!!!) Food (even their taster menu) is on a par with the best you'd get on any premium airline as a minimum - often really good.

If you're up for it my advice is to be quick as soon as the tickets go on sale for the best prices...especially with the travel dates. Likely to be busy with little floor space for sleeping options Sad
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Thanks JP Wolf really helpful - I’ve got alarm set for day tickets go on sale Madeye-Smiley
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Neither are particularly comfy, but at least Premier is wider and seats are reclining (a little bit), so go for Premier
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Hi

We went for the first time to Arc 1950 this year, it's a lot less hassle once you're on the train and a quick transfer to Les Arc.

We're going back on Dec 21st, I don't think you get much sleep on the night train, but you do get more skiing.

Does anybody know when the tickets go on sale?
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I have had an email this evening from Eurostar, saying tickets for mid dec to mid jan on sale now. Wasn’t looking for trains to the alps, but was thinking of going to Bruges around Xmas time for a few days.
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That doesn't seem to be the snow train tickets to the alps.
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@clarkey321. Often been on the overnight service, and in spite of not getting much sleep have always skied for almost a full day on arrival.

Most people sleep in their seat. If you are lucky you may find an empty seat so can spread out. People sleeping on the floor, or with legs out sideways, tend to block the corridor - so can get kicked by people moving through the train, to toilets etc. Eurostar provide a blanket, inflatable pillow, eye mask and ear plugs (which you have to keep for the return journey, so leave a bit of space in an accessible bag), but some people take an extra pillow / neck support. If you are not in Premier, you can always take some food/drink for evening & breakfast.

The biggest issue can be with accommodation arrangements on arrival and departure. You might not have access to rooms until the afternoon on arrival, and have to vacate them by say 10:00 on departure day, so need facilities to get changed and leave your bags somewhere for both days. If you have to get changed in a broom cupboard, without unpacking, having everything you need for skiing in one place and readily accessible can help. On departure you may not have access to a shower after skiing, and may need to hang around/eat somewhere in resort other than your accommodation until around 19:00 - although an alternative might be to go down to Bourg St Maurice earlier and eat there.
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@ecureuil, there is a pizzeria that does very tasty pizzas just opposite the station. I'm sure everyone knows about it but when I came down the hill from the Three Valleys I was starving and really appreciated it!
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Overnight - definitely go Premier - it will help what sleep you can get. Much more room and better seats. You also get some wine with your included dinner. Other than that alcohol is not allowed on board not sold in the bar on the overnight.

Daytime service cattle class is fine because you can go stand in the bar and drink and don't need to sleep - alcohol is allowed on this service.
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justabod wrote:
@ecureuil, there is a pizzeria that does very tasty pizzas just opposite the station. I'm sure everyone knows about it but when I came down the hill from the Three Valleys I was starving and really appreciated it!

A pizzeria in Moutiers isn't a great help for the OP boarding a return train in Bourg St Maurice! (But there are certainly some food options in BSM)
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I would only do premier for overnight. Sleeping in standard would probably be worse than sleeping in the economy section of a plane as I don't think the seats recline. neck pillows recommended. It is also nice having the evening meal and glass of wine in premier and fewer people.
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I did the overnight train from Ashford to BSM for the first time this year, with a group of 6.

The train to BSM was a breeze, we joined at Ashford so could drive up and unload the gear easily. They did scan all the bags and do confiscate alcohol.

As others had said there is only a limited space for luggage in the carriage but they'd reserved some of the seats to stack the equipment so it all went in ok.

We were in standard class (no recliners) and the carriage was full, so meant trying to sleep upright... after people had settled down it looked like a scene from a disaster movie with bodies up and down the corridors and everywhere!

We booked with a TO and they had a minibus waiting to take us up to 2000, fortunate as we arrived before the Funicular was running. This mean we got to the Hotel just in time for breakfast though Smile

Also worth noting if you get the full Paradiski pass, this allows you to ski from lunchtime the day before the pass starts, so combining the early start and late departure meant 7.5 days skiing for price of 7. This also meant we could get a few hours shut eye on arrival before venturing out to the slopes.

Coming back was a bit of a scrum at BSM, not sure if it this is the norm or we were just unlucky... certainly BSM was busier because the train doesn't stop at La Plagne as it does on the way up.

All in all a good way to maximise your slope time but don't count on getting much sleep.
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Thanks to everyone for your advice - will book Premier & give it a go! As people have said, main disadvantage in some ways is v early arrival & accommodation not available till 17:00. But there’s somewhere to store bags & big sofas for a snooze so all good!
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make sure to bring eye masks as when I did it they left the lights on all night..
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@Joff1, There isn't, you can change at Paris and get an over night train with couchettes. This helps on where to find the information https://www.seat61.com/ski-by-train.htm
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Thanks for the useful link, I'm going on the day train to bourg St Maurice I think the tickets come out sometime this month.
but l'm not sure, dose anybody know roughly when they come out.
It would be nice to jump in early and get the premier tickets at a decent price.
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@Joff1, they go on sale in July https://help.eurostar.com/faq/us-en/question/How-far-in-advance-can-I-book-Eurostar-tickets
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Thanks radar
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@radar, couchettes have been binned to all but a few resorts now.
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Just got an email from Eurostar

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Our ski train tickets go on sale at 08:00 on 17th July, so now's the time to start planning your ski slope sojourn.
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Likewise from Snowcarbon.

I'd check if that's 08:00 CET rather than BST... wink
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yes, popular dates like HT and Christmas go very quickly
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