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Salomon S/LAB Shift binding

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@spyderjon, oooh you are clever! So what degree climbing aid would the extra piece provide (or how much extra over and above the existing 10 degrees?)
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VolklAttivaS5 wrote:
@spyderjon, oooh you are clever! So what degree climbing aid would the extra piece provide (or how much extra over and above the existing 10 degrees?)

Dunno, I haven't measured it yet. The part's in my shop but if I recall correctly it adds 30mm of lift above the existing riser. It may even be too high but a guy on TGR a few months ago made a bent wire one from a bike spoke so I'd used his as a guide (assuming that he might of measured/researched it first) plus that was the width of the piece of bar I had in my scrap bin!

I know Salomon quote 2 degrees (ie flat) and 10 degrees for the Shift but I've never seen anything published as to what sole length that's based upon as the closer the toe and heel are together the steeper the angle will be. If I get a minute tomorrow I'll work out the height/angle but Saturdays are choka so it might take me longer.
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@spyderjon, yes that is true, it’s probably based on a sole length of 340mm or something. I’m not sure what the ‘average’ sole length is really.
No rush for measuring it.
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@spyderjon, If you have a cad file it would be interesting to see how they would 3D print. The new carbon material would be interesting. Obviously Non disclosure etc.
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VolklAttivaS5 wrote:
@spyderjon......I’m not sure what the ‘average’ sole length is really.....

IME it's about 310/315mm
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@spyderjon, If you have a cad file....

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@spyderjon, If you have a cad file....

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@spyderjon, If you have a cad file....

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Had a chance this afternoon to do a bit of measuring of my protptype climbing bar angles measured off a Shift that was mounted for my Dynafit Mercury 304mm bsl boot (which actually measures 306mm in the Shift jig).

Here's the ski mode which gives sufficient room for the binding crampon to be fitted. I'm sold out of crampons and I've lent mine to a customer so I can't yet measure what the shortest sole length you could have without my bar reaching the crampon, although the crampon could quite happily sit on top of the riser.



Here's the factory lowest skinning mode which is advertised as 2 degrees but with my boot it measures 5 degrees:



Here's the factory riser which is advertised as 10 degrees and with my boot it's very close to that at 11 degrees:



Here's my high climbing bar which measures out at 17 degrees:



As a comparison I mounted up a pair of Tectons for my boots (jig also set to 306mm). The Tecton climbing heights are advertised as 2, 9 & 13 degrees but with my boot they measured out at 3, 10 & 15 degrees.
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@spyderjon, ooh well that might explain why I quite liked the flat setting for quite a lot of the time if potentially it went up as much as 5 degrees. I didn't think it felt like 2 degrees compared to the 7 degree setting on my Marker Tour F10s.
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Rubber hinge spacer now sorted (used an off-the-shelf cable grommet but cold temperature performance is an unknown) and the lock nuts swapped out for a proper washer/nylock nut. Assembly is rock solid but currently lacks any feature to be 'ski pole enabled' so currently requires the user to hand operate.

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I went for another skin this morning, exactly the same route as 2 weeks ago.
Anyhow it seemed easier this time so I'm either fitter or better with technique or both.
I don't think I'd need a higher riser but like you say it all depends on the skin track the guide or person at the front puts in for you.
I'm considering doing an all day one (including skiing down) tomorrow somewhere else and that's a lot more ascent than what I've done so far. Luckily I don't need to tell them if I'm coming or not until tomorrow morning as I'm pooped after just this morning's 2 hour one. It would be good to try it 2 days running though to see what it's like.
I swear it's harder than any other exercise including running.
You feel alright at the time it's when you sit down afterwards.
P.S the snow was fabulous this morning on the descent, it was spraying up like smoke/dust and everything
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Whether you need a high riser or can depend upon the boot sole profile you're using which effects the delta angle of the binding - and the greater the delta the greater the effective height of the riser. The Shift delta with my boot is 8mm and I use a 6mm shim under the toe (not shown in the pics above) to reduce that to 2mm so I've effectively taken 6mm of the height of the factory riser.


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@spyderjon, that's probably it then.
Speaking of sole profiles, I've got Tecnica Zero G Guide Pro W boots from last season and I understand they've changed the sole material this year?
Reason I ask is I've done a lot of walking in ski boots this season, to and from bus stops, train stations etc, I was going somewhere different every day depending on my fancy and I didn't want to carry my shoes around, besides I don't think I'd get them in my pack with everything else as well.
Anyway the soles are coming off at the toe and heel of each boot.

To be expected I suppose with so much pavement abuse but they wore a bit too quickly for my tastes.
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I note that the Skywalk soles like I have on my boots are replaceable though and the Vibram soles on this season's version are not replaceable, so maybe I will just get new soles!
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I've been cutting skins to fit my Shift mounted Mythics.

Has anyone else experienced difficulty locking the brakes out of the way without a boot in place? I've got the ski/walk plate in the right place before anyone asks. On one ski they'll lock, but trigger with the slightest touch - ask my mangled little finger... On the other ski they go into position, but won't lock up unless there is a boot in place - which is obviously a PITA for faffing with skins.

Am I doing something wrong? Or do they all do that Sir?

Edit: resolved, but I am going to leave this here as I deserve whatever abuse is coming.
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@IanTr, glad you got it sorted.
I've pinged my little finger on the knuckle a few times when getting skis sorted for skins. I'm not sure how but yes it bloody hurt!
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