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Women’s avalanche bags

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My wife currently has an Ortovox 18l women’s specific ABS bag (Base 18l W), but finds it very bulky. It’s not so much the overall size as how much it sticks out from her back. It’s much deeper than my (larger) Mammut bag for example.

Many of the newer generation bags seem much slimmer in design but she needs something with a shorter back length (or at least adjustable) as she’s only 164cm tall.

Any recommendations for something slim, with enough space for a spare baselayer and some skins (plus probe/shovel) and that can accommodate a shorter back length?
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Ortorvox Freeride 20 S is a short back version of the Freeride 22. Bit. But looking at the picture it seems to stick out.

https://www.snowsafe.co.uk/product/ortovox-freerider-20-s-avabag-unit-included/
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Thought that was a euphemism. Imagine my disappointment on opening the link. Very Happy Have a look at the Back Country Access Float 22 if you only need it for Freeride.
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I have the lightest mammut and it's... the lightest and smallest I've seen, which is why I have it.
This is last year's model, not sure if it changed this season.


That's a screen grab from a video with the bag at vimeo 308223350.

It's a shovel pack - you could get the stuff you list in there but obviously it's small. And light.

Back length... I guess that'll be in the specifications, or try one on, or whine and I'll go measure mine.
You do need to fasten the harness or the bag's pointless, something apparently lost on the many people who cut the straps.
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@Dashed, I spent a bit of time looking for an airbag with a shorter back. There aren't so many available. I ended up buying a Mammut Ride S. It's maybe a bit big for what you're looking for. Although the compression straps on the side keep it fairly flat if there's nothing much in it. Mammut have 2 models with a shorter back - Ride Short which is 26l and Pro Short which is 31l.
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With the shorter ones, just make sure they are long enough for your probe. My Ortovox Ascent 22 is only just long enough for my probe. It should be on your list of bags to consider.
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panaga52 wrote:
Thought that was a euphemism. Imagine my disappointment on opening the link. Very Happy


The 1970's have been on the phone, they want their jokes back rolling eyes
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Thanks for all the other suggestions - plenty to look at but I guess it'll come down to fit so we'll probably have to order a few to try. Mammut and ABS seem to be good options at the minute...
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SaraJ wrote:
@Dashed, I spent a bit of time looking for an airbag with a shorter back. There aren't so many available. I ended up buying a Mammut Ride S. It's maybe a bit big for what you're looking for. Although the compression straps on the side keep it fairly flat if there's nothing much in it. Mammut have 2 models with a shorter back - Ride Short which is 26l and Pro Short which is 31l.


This is useful, thanks. I use a 28L Evoc usually which is just the right size for what I want and I don’t find it too big at all, it compresses down well when it’s not full to the brim. I was just thinking today I maybe ought to invest in an airbag but like you I want it with a shorter back on it and I didn’t want one of those small volume ones.
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My wife is 158cm tall but finds the one-size-fits-all Scott alpride e1 fits very well. My take on it is that the old gas airbags are effectively obsolete compared to the super capacitor technology.
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snowdave wrote:
My wife is 158cm tall but finds the one-size-fits-all Scott alpride e1 fits very well. My take on it is that the old gas airbags are effectively obsolete compared to the super capacitor technology.

+1. I sold a few E1's to small frame ladies this season with no sizing issues. The dims for the 30L pack is H60cm x 28cm x 19cm but for 19/20 they're also doing a 22L version which is H54cm x W26cm x D19cm and they'll be available in the autumn.
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@spyderjon, will you have any of the Scott airbags with you at the EoSB? I’d like to try one for size.
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I’m liking the look of those Scott packs with no travelling restrictions and you can test it at home without any faff by the sounds of things.
This is all new to me. Does anyone else do one of these super capacitor packs that you’d recommend? I like Scott stuff anyway so I will definitely have a look at one of them.
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This season I think it’s only Scott, and my understanding is the entire global stock was sold out some weeks ago (at least that was the view of a colleague who tried to find one after seeing mine!).

They are exceptionally comfortable and yes, you can test them at home, or on the slope. I think Scott certify them for 50 pulls which is either a lot of practice or repeated very poor judgement and time for a new sport Toofy Grin
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@snowdave, Laughing yes
Ok well I wouldn’t be looking to get one until the Autumn anyway so that doesn’t matter that you can’t get one at the mo! I can choose which volume to go for in the meantime.
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Scarlet wrote:
@spyderjon, will you have any of the Scott airbags with you at the EoSB? I’d like to try one for size.

Yep, I'll have mine.
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I can also second the Mammut Ultralight. Very compact. Enough room for skins, shovel, probe, snacks and an extra layer. Only drawback is only one compartment (accessed from the back) with no pockets. But other than that a great bit of kit.
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Thanks folks - great replies!

With regards to the Scott bags - no issues with airlines and batteries? Forgive my ignorance, but I know there were / are some batteries you couldn’t take onboard.
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Dashed wrote:
Thanks folks - great replies!

With regards to the Scott bags - no issues with airlines and batteries? Forgive my ignorance, but I know there were / are some batteries you couldn’t take onboard.

The E1 system is supercapacitor powered so has no travel restrictions: https://www.thepisteoffice.com/index.php/the-piste-office-store/backpacks-airbags/scott-patrol-e1-ap30-electric-detail.html
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I’ve taken mine onto a plane as hand baggage. Security gave it a good inspection as they claimed it was the first one they’d seen, and readily allowed it throughonce they could see there was no canister.
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My take on it is that the old gas airbags are effectively obsolete compared to the super capacitor technology.


Why do you think this?

Having had an accidental deployment a couple of weeks ago, a couple of things have become apparent...

Re-packing the bag out on the side of the hill is virtually impossible to do, to a standard you would want to rely on, let alone in bad weather.
Even a gas cylinder can get some moisture into the bag, which could later freeze and jam/rot the bag. A fan would blow loads snow into the bag needing a total drying session.
Airlines are fine with gas cannister packs, provided they can see they have been disabled. The same would apply to battery packs.
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I can definitely see the advantage of those supercapacitor bags, but they're still heavy (around the 2.6-2.7kg). Maybe the next generation will be lighter or they'll be more options for bag size / design, but with some of the gas canistered bags coming in at <1.8kg, it's a significant consideration.
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