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Cairngorm Mountain Ltd in administration

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-46389488

Hopefully this marks the beginning of the end for CML/ Natural Retreats involvement in running Cairngorm. HIE have a lot to answer for as well
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@Gaza, as you say, at least this should mark the end to CML/Natural Retreats mismanagement, and you are spot on with your comment about HIE having a lot to answer for.

Let's hope the Community buyout is successful.
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I wonder what will happen to everyone that has already paid for season tickets?
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Not unexpected. Hopefully it'll pave the way for a better future.

Natural retreats have managed to trash a 52 year old company that was trading steadily but not spectacularly until they took over and somehow trebled the liabilities.

You can see it graphically represented here: https://companycheck.co.uk/company/SC043599/CAIRNGORM-MOUNTAIN-LTD/financials
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dode wrote:
I wonder what will happen to everyone that has already paid for season tickets?


I hopt that's a rhetorical question...
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Wow looks like they blew 2 million and have nothing to show for it. Where did the money go?
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dode wrote:
I wonder what will happen to everyone that has already paid for season tickets?


I hopt that's a rhetorical question...


Presumably they will be unsecured creditors. So virtually no chance of a refund, unless they paid via credit card and claim from the credit card provider....
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Was only asking because my mate’s daughter was mentioning the other day that her correspondence seeking a partial refund (based on the funicular being declared out for the season after she had already paid for the season ticket) were being ignored.
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As I read things, they're still going ahead with the snow factory that HIE are funding, and the Administrators will continue to run things with a view to a sale as a going concern I assume. CML was the operating company, not the one which actually owns the funicular or the physical land.
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dode wrote:
Was only asking because my mate’s daughter was mentioning the other day that her correspondence seeking a partial refund (based on the funicular being declared out for the season after she had already paid for the season ticket) were being ignored.

There were some posters on winterhighland forum reporting that they'd asked for a refund and been told that they couldn't have one unless it was confirmed that the funicular railway wouldn't run this season. Of course, the cynic in me questions the motives behind that procrastination.


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Lets be clear : HIE and their obsession with the funicular are root of the problem.

Right now the media presenting them as saviour who will protect jobs and keep mountain open. However until they are permanently removed as landlord the same mistakes will keep being made. Remember we were in this exact position in 2008 when HIE originally took over. Since then Ciste lifts and White lady t-bar removed (with blessing of HIE) and nothing has changed for better.
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@Haggis_Trap, agreed.
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[quote="Haggis_Trap"]Lets be clear : HIE and their obsession with the funicular are root of the problem.

So, so true. From what recall they screwed up the EU funding process and had to repay millions in grant funding on it, they screwed up the survey and built it in the wrong place so in good snow years the track gets buried. To justify the huge expense they ripped up all the other chairlifts and an assortment of tows meaning the resort is totally reliant on it then it turns out it wasn't built properly so it is shut down just before winter threatening the economy of the entire area.

It's a f#*?!ing omnishambles.
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Crying shame. First place I ever went on an " independent" ski holiday. Think I was 17 and my bro 16.
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Good article here from parkswatchscotland. As it rightly says all attention will now be focussed on how HIE deal with this mess (which of course they did so much to create!) http://parkswatchscotland.co.uk/2018/11/30/the-immediate-consequences-of-cairngorm-mountain-ltd-going-bust/?fbclid=IwAR0u8txcBhMzHVc2Oq58RvEppIZzDCNMgsZ34FEOYvHPXqGZeuXwjJDK06c
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@Alastair Pink, good article indeed.
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Another good article from parkswatchscotland concerning the Cairngorm fiasco, and the dubious decision by HIE to award the lease to Natural Retreats in the first place: http://parkswatchscotland.co.uk/2018/12/17/hie-is-now-picking-up-the-pieces-for-the-disaster-it-created-at-cairn-gorm/
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Another good article from parkswatchscotland concerning the Cairngorm fiasco, and the dubious decision by HIE to award the lease to Natural Retreats in the first place: http://parkswatchscotland.co.uk/2018/12/17/hie-is-now-picking-up-the-pieces-for-the-disaster-it-created-at-cairn-gorm/


Shocking stuff.

To summarize -- a bunch of Scottish hicks, running a public body way above their skill level, got bamboozled into handing over millions to a bunch of flash Yanks and Englanders waving cash around Laughing

Looking back through the original proposal in 2014, NR obvs got someone in their office with highschool art to whip up a fancy drawing of what HIE would get for their free millions...

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For once I would join the cry to "Nationalise it !" The noisy Nicola should be prominent in sorting this out and preserving a whole way of life upon which this region depends.
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Not to anyone's great surprise HIE have announced that the funicular will remain closed for the remainder of the winter season. Sad

A spokesman for HIE said: “We have received the report of the investigation into concerns over the funicular structure and we will publish it in due course. We are meeting with the contractor this week to go through the report in detail in order to fully understand its findings and determine next steps."
“In the meantime, we anticipate the funicular will remain out of service for the remainder of the winter season, with ski tows providing alternative uplift when conditions allow.”
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To be fair on current outlooks the chance of them opening is fairly far off.
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More from parkswatchscotland - HIE have been served with three Improvement Notices by the Health and Safety Executive after a site inspection revealed several "safety concerns constituting breaches of Health and Safety Law", see http://parkswatchscotland.co.uk/2019/01/15/hies-management-of-health-and-safety-at-cairngorm-mountain/?fbclid=IwAR1EFK7H0e1yt181cs83TBit_ZeBBYmvw7H1t5oSMzrtjOvDz_EaPsZwnrc

Their failure to address long standing Health and Safety issues and their failure to ensure their (then) tenant addressed them even when brought to HIE's attention by third parties just demonstrates (if it needed demonstrating again) that HIE are totally unfit to own and manage Cairngorm Mountain and the snowsports infrastructure and operations there. If snowsports at Cairngorm are to have a future (and the many local businesses that depend on it) then it must be brought into community ownership (with the financial liabilities resting with HIE who are responsible for creating them in the first place!). Evil or Very Mad
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@Alastair Pink, +1
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[quote="Farley Goode"]For once I would join the cry to "Nationalise it !"
Er, it already effectively is. The landowner in question, HIE, is a state-funded body, ie the Scottish Government's development agency.
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No big surprise there. Thankfully 8th Feb isn't far off Smile
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http://parkswatchscotland.co.uk/2019/01/17/the-financial-cost-of-hie-outsourcing-cairngorm-to-natural-retreats/?fbclid=IwAR1uiL-88TybG9TF3NZLVx5CbmngKTbZDgIi1M5t0uqI7QQFFs2su6Q1iaU

Quote"The outsourcing of Cairngorm to Natural Retreats between 2014-18 has represented a catastrophic failure by HIE, both in terms of how it managed the sale and procurement process and in how it then managed the contract with Natural Retreats." Absolutely correct, HIE is not fit for purpose Evil or Very Mad . Just be thankful HIE don't have any breweries, they certainly couldn't organise a piss-up in one! Toofy Grin
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Here's a clip of Tuesday's BBC Breakfast coverage of the situation at Cairngorm and a spokesman from the Community Trust who are hoping to bring the operations at Cairngorm into community ownership. Here's hoping they succeed! https://www.facebook.com/bbcbreakfast/videos/1974484472858131/
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Here's a clip of Tuesday's BBC Breakfast coverage of the situation at Cairngorm and a spokesman from the Community Trust who are hoping to bring the operations at Cairngorm into community ownership. Here's hoping they succeed! https://www.facebook.com/bbcbreakfast/videos/1974484472858131/


And replace the lifts torn out by the current lot.
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I was there on Monday and have to give the staff a massive thumbs up for their welcome and positivity. Every single one of them was helpful and happy.
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Quite surprised how low the turnover is.. realise its highly variable depending on snow but are CML the ones selling the tickets, restaurant meals, ski hire, funicular tickets even in summer etc?
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Good to hear the staff are back on their A game, last time I was there (3 years ago) they where a bunch of miserable pricks, I vowed not to cross their door again. A few days later we visited glenshee where the staff where excellent. Its true staff morale come from the top, I will certinaĺy gave them another try and hopefully be more positive!
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Another excellent article from parkswatchscotland on the financial background to the Cairngorm fiasco....

http://parkswatchscotland.co.uk/2019/02/14/more-evidence-for-why-an-inquiry-is-needed-into-hies-mismanagement-of-cairngorm-mountain/?fbclid=IwAR2roV_BPFT-0j4Ut-3J91l_MNoQLHdteKjrku0bNP_ZBSYsnA66le9GpNQ
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