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Ciao,

How much does ski weight matter for touring?

I'm in the market for new skis and of all I've tried I like the Black Crows Navis the best. I have pre-ordered some Salomon Shifts which I intend to stick on whatever skis I get.

The Navis are 1975g and their Freebird versions are 1675g. Is that 300g per foot going to make a vast amount of difference on the uphill?

I live in Cham and would love to think I'll be doing loads of touring but forcing myself to be realistic. I'm only just getting into it so big slogs and multi-day tours are probably going to be very few and far between and most of my skiing will still be lift served.

Is a sub 2kg ski OK for day touring and very occasional longer ones (assume I'm reasonably fit)?

Ideally I would get the Freebird but the price difference is pretty substantial between the two and the normal version is just so nice to ski off the lifts, felt great on and off piste.

Cheers
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Meltus wrote:
Ciao,

How much does ski weight matter for touring?

I'm in the market for new skis and of all I've tried I like the Black Crows Navis the best. I have pre-ordered some Salomon Shifts which I intend to stick on whatever skis I get.

The Navis are 1975g and their Freebird versions are 1675g. Is that 300g per foot going to make a vast amount of difference on the uphill?



Not on the uphill, it is on the downhill, in variable conditions, where you will regret any extra weight you hauled up.
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I have the regular Atris with a heavier pin binding. Max vertical for that setup for me is about 700m (2hrs up). More than that, I'm looking a a lighter ski. If you are younger and fitter than me (either is likely) then what you are willing to tolerate in weight will be different.
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Not on the uphill, it is on the downhill, in variable conditions, where you will regret any extra weight you hauled up.

@davidof, Why's that? Muscle fatigue? Surely if fit and eating/ hydrating properly its marginal?
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Markymark29 wrote:
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Not on the uphill, it is on the downhill, in variable conditions, where you will regret any extra weight you hauled up.

@davidof, Why's that? Muscle fatigue? Surely if fit and eating/ hydrating properly its marginal?


@davidof, Yes, why do you say that? One of the (limited number of) advantages of a heavier ski is less (actual and perceived) deflection in variable conditions.
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10,000 steps, 300g, do the math.......
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@Meltus, It depends on what you want out of your ski touring. Are you in it for the up, down or distance? Snow conditions and slope angle also play a massive part of the equation.

Personally I’m in it for the down, and tour for powder turns, so I’m perfectly happy using a wider/longer/heavier ski and ‘suffering’ on the up, for a much more pleasant ski down. I’ve occasionally been passed by someone out training on lightweight racing skis, and yes they ascend like a mountain goat, but they them descend like Bambi on ice, in marginal control.

@KenX, I’m with you on that one. I first toured on Line SFB’s with Baron’s, then switched to DPS Wailers with Plum Guide’s, and saved around a 1Kg per foot. Even leaving aside the better stride of the Tech binding, the difference was massive.
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Markymark29 wrote:
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Not on the uphill, it is on the downhill, in variable conditions, where you will regret any extra weight you hauled up.

@davidof, Why's that? Muscle fatigue? Surely if fit and eating/ hydrating properly its marginal?


yes muscle fatigue, you need those muscles as much on the way down as on the way up.
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PowderAdict wrote:
I’ve occasionally been passed by someone out training on lightweight racing skis, and yes they ascend like a mountain goat, but they them descend like Bambi on ice, in marginal control.


How do you know that is not how they ski all the time?
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Meltus wrote:
. I'm only just getting into it so big slogs and multi-day tours are probably going to be very few and far between and most of my skiing will still be lift served.

Is a sub 2kg ski OK for day touring and very occasional longer ones (assume I'm reasonably fit)?

Cheers


If you’re reasonably fit it will be fine. IMHO it would be a mistake to get the lighter skis based on your expected use.
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yes muscle fatigue, you need those muscles as much on the way down as on the way up.


Yes but on the way up it is not your muscles that suffer but the CV system.

I've never found ski weight a challenge on the downhill. Quite the reverse if anything - light skis getting rattled around (or a sense of lack of control leading to more tense skiing) can be a bit fatiguing. Might be different if you are doing a lot of jump turns but that is a bit of specialised interest these days!

For the OP's intended use I wouldn't make light weight my top priority.
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