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Wearing a puffer gilet over a Ski Jacket?

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I now use layering to achieve optimal warmth when skiing.
On the whole, this works very well.
I carry a lightweight puffer jacket in my backpack for when it gets super cold.
The only downside of this is that it requires me to remove clothing in adverse conditions in order to put it on.
This is far from ideal.
Do any of the experts amongst you have any words of wisdom regarding the option of wearing a puffer gilet over the top of my Norrona shell jacket? Making it the final top layer.
Obviously this would require no removal of clothes and would therefore be preferable.
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Depends on the filling in the gilet, and it's outer fabric.

If filling=duck down/feathers...
It's great when dry.
Marginal if very sweaty
Useless, bordering on deadly, if wet.
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Never tried it with a gilet, but has worked well nought or me in the past:



In fact if it's a thick down jacket it'll likely work better over the top than when compressed underneath.
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You have to stop to take your pack off so I just pop the jacket off and back on once my SL goosey gillet is on.
Ladys may be more conscious but i see plenty of touring ladys that dont care less they just drop what ever they need to when they need too.

With a puffer full zip jacket if you have it pre 1/4 zipped up ready at top of your pack...... you can put it on far quicker an easier in wind if put on like a smock .
This stops having to find the sleaves with you off hand as they fly all over the place in the wind

If you do want to wear a puffer over a shell then why not I have seen Patagonia Rider josh dirksen doing so in promotional clips after a skin up before dropping in but I bet its just a short time before its damaged and it would work all the warmer under your shell.
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The best way to stay warm in ultracold weather is to cover the main blood arteries of the neck and wrists.

They make a huge difference.

Much more than wearing a lifevest and looking like Michelin Man.
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Tirol 164 wrote:
Ladys may be more conscious but i see plenty of touring ladys that dont care less they just drop what ever they need to when they need too.

Eh? Are they skiing in their underwear? I can't think of anyone who would be self-conscious about removing a jacket.

@FoofyNoo, I keep a very lightweight thin down jacket in my pack. I've only once had to put it on on the slope – it was quite windy but I was more concerned about my shell blowing away when I took it off. I don't think it would fit over the shell. I normally try and do my clothing faff in the lift instead, out of the wind.
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They are in underwear at huts end after skinning up they dont ski much its more touring training but all are very well prepared with clothing for alpine up or the down ,as they live in the alpine .
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@FoofyNoo, I’ve had the exact same thought - if it’s one of those days that having a glove off for a few seconds freezes your fingers in agony, I’ll be wearing a base layer, mid-layer, and shell. And I really won't want to remove the shell to put an insulated puffer jacket on while I stop for a snack for example. All of the 'systems' I see are the insulated puffer jacket below the shell. I'm looking to buy a new jacket, but this issue is putting me off spending £500 or whatever for a shell and insulated puffer jacket combo.
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FoofyNoo wrote:
wearing a puffer gilet over the top of my Norrona shell jacket? Making it the final top layer.
Obviously this would require no removal of clothes and would therefore be preferable.


That's exactly what I do - works a treat on cold lifts, after lunch or just when its baltic brrrrr
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I use the 'overlayering' idea when I'm touring. I've found that both gilets and jackets work for this. If your shell has snow on it then it is best to use an 'overlayer' with synthetic insulation.
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I know people use down jackets as midlayers but they are not optimal for this - the tight weave fabric required to keep the down in is very wind proof which does not aid venting/breathability. In GENERAL if it is cold enough to need a down layer it is not that wet (exceptions would include when you spend an hour immobile on a belay in a snow storm but that is not typical for skiing). Net net makes perfect sense to pull a down jacket on over your shell when you need the extra warmth.

I think a jacket rather than a gilet is optimal - sleeves make a big difference to retaining heat. Gilets DO make more sense as midlayers because the lack of sleeves allow venting which overcomes my initial point above. Most gilets are designed to be quite slim fitting too.

I have a very light down gilet (arcteryx, half price on sports pursuit Very Happy ) which I do use as a spare mid layer sometimes. And around the house when I'm feeling chilly. Despite everything I said I do wear it on top of a shell sometimes but on my commute to work. In cold weather I cycle with a merino base layer and a shell (warm enough when you are kicking out the watts) but if I have a wait for a train on a platform when I am sweaty I can get get cold - the gilet packs very small and provides a boost when I need it. A jacket would be even better but would take up more space living in my bike bag (and I use it perhaps one day in ten during the winter).
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@jedster, also got my Marmot light Down Jacket half price on Sports Pursuit. Good site for quality ski gear at discount prices
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For standard lift accessed skiing I don't take out any extra gear. I have a standard layering system which I sometimes ditch one layer if it's going to be especially warm. Or I may upgrade one of the layers if especially cold. Then during the day itself I use the pit zips in my jacket and thigh zips in my trousers to help regulate the temp. Plus I will use or not a neck warmer. On top of that I will remove hat and gloves at opportune moments to cool down.

Down jackets I find make me very warm/hot when exercising.
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Down jackets I find make me very warm/hot when exercising.

me too. The value for me is when I stop moving after I have been moving!
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climbers often throw on a "belay" jacket when they have stopped and are cooling down, its usually thrown over the shell so goes on top of everything else. I'm sure a gilet would work the same, just for a much smaller area.
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jedster wrote:
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Down jackets I find make me very warm/hot when exercising.

me too. The value for me is when I stop moving after I have been moving!

But I guess I am pondering why anyone needs one for skiing...
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Layne wrote:
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Down jackets I find make me very warm/hot when exercising.

me too. The value for me is when I stop moving after I have been moving!

But I guess I am pondering why anyone needs one for skiing...
I've seen many people skiing in down ski jackets. That would leave me in a puddle of sweat, but I guess some people are colder than others.
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Riding a long chairlift out of the sun at about -20 a couple of weeks ago, I had my down jacket and down overshorts on
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But I guess I am pondering why anyone needs one for skiing...


see above!
also drinks/lunch outside on cold, bluebird days
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But I guess I am pondering why anyone needs one for skiing...


I reckon probably one of the most important bits of safety gear you can have packed in your bag (for off piste)...
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Fantastic information to ponder on.
Thanks all!
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Arno wrote:
Riding a long chairlift out of the sun at about -20 a couple of weeks ago, I had my down jacket and down overshorts on

Rule 5 surely applies in this situation
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jedster wrote:
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But I guess I am pondering why anyone needs one for skiing...


see above!
also drinks/lunch outside on cold, bluebird days

1) Not something I partake of.

2) If it's cold go inside - sunny or not.
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Layne wrote:
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But I guess I am pondering why anyone needs one for skiing...


I reckon probably one of the most important bits of safety gear you can have packed in your bag (for off piste)...

Really!?
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JackSkier wrote:
Layne wrote:
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But I guess I am pondering why anyone needs one for skiing...


I reckon probably one of the most important bits of safety gear you can have packed in your bag (for off piste)...

Really!?


If someone is injured, they’d lose heat really quickly lying there in the snow.
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As suggested on here, I have a reflective sheet in a pocket, folds up to the size of an A6 notebook, for emergencies.

I am also someone who uses zips and closures to vent or insulate accordingly, rather than carrying spare clothing.
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