 Poster: A snowHead
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@rob@rar I guess it doesn't really matter then!
I don't attend my association's agm's (but tbh I wouldn't really understand a word of it anyway!)
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| stewart woodward wrote: |
| Anybody going to the AGM this weekend in Morzine? |
You not going to be in Chatel then ?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| rob@rar wrote: |
Quick question for davidof or anyone else who might know, how long is the "appeal period" that BASI refers to? How long before we know whether the French authorities will or will not appeal this judgement? |
The appeal has been launched today by the French Secretary of State after lobbying by... BASI !
Simon Butler has had his carte professional refused by the Rhone-Alpes prefecture and still cannot work legally in France.
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| davidof wrote: |
| rob@rar wrote: |
Quick question for davidof or anyone else who might know, how long is the "appeal period" that BASI refers to? How long before we know whether the French authorities will or will not appeal this judgement? |
The appeal has been launched today by the French Secretary of State after lobbying by... BASI !
Simon Butler has had his carte professional refused by the Rhone-Alpes prefecture and still cannot work legally in France. |
Jesus wept. Jesus H Christ on a bike!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Lobbying by BASI ! unbelievable
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| davidof wrote: |
The appeal has been launched today by the French Secretary of State after lobbying by... BASI !
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Dare one say that putting it in this manner is deliberately inflammatory when the article states that the appeal was brought mainly through pressure put on by the snmsf...
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| offpisteskiing wrote: |
| davidof wrote: |
The appeal has been launched today by the French Secretary of State after lobbying by... BASI !
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Dare one say that putting it in this manner is deliberately inflammatory when the article states that the appeal was brought mainly through pressure put on by the snmsf... |
I don't know, we'll have to wait for more information I suppose.
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| Thierry Braillard, de faire appel de la décision du tribunal administratif, recevant le soutien des représentants de la profession en Italie mais aussi, et c’est un signe fort, de l’organisation BASI qui assure la formation en Angleterre et avec laquelle Butler a eu maille à partir. |
(thanks for the link to the DL story - see above)
It is clear that BASI is (still) firmly behind the Eurotest as an integral part of the ski instructor training at the highest level. As a mere punter I don't have an issue with their position and there may be some very good reasons for it, especially with Brexit looming.
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The thread that just keeps on giving 🙄
So glad I stopped my BASI subs.
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| gilo wrote: |
The thread that just keeps on giving 🙄
So glad I stopped my BASI subs. |
LOL!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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The French appear quick to act against someone when the law is (apparently) on their side, yet seem to drag their feet somewhat when the law is against their interests. The smell of burning lamb wafting across the pistes .....
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| offpisteskiing wrote: |
| davidof wrote: |
The appeal has been launched today by the French Secretary of State after lobbying by... BASI !
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Dare one say that putting it in this manner is deliberately inflammatory when the article states that the appeal was brought mainly through pressure put on by the snmsf... |
What's the 'snmsf'?
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Syndicat National des Moniteurs de Ski Français. Have you lost your Google? 
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You know it makes sense.
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I don't need it @maggi, I have you x
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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On a slightly different subject, the latest rumour is the BASI Marketing Director has resigned. Didn't last long?
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Poster: A snowHead
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The French trade union SNMSF is just playing for time, yet another appeal that will tie up Simon in court for years to avoid setting a precedent that BASI L3 and L4 without ET can work in France through the EU freedom of movement declaration process. My guess is that they are banking on delay until after Brexit and then Brit BASI members who aren't resident in France, or those who dont pay tax in France will be shown the door. Post brexit can you really see the French handing out loads of Visa's to British ski instructors? Does anyone know of a single non EU passport holding ski teacher who currently works in France ?
On the plus side when they lose the appeal it will set a case law precedent that will ensure France has to follow the deflation process and allow us good Europeans to work there. 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| Does anyone know of a single non EU passport holding ski teacher who currently works in France ? |
Yes a few. I don't know which systems they have trained with though, possibly the French one.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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On another thread we have arguments for Scotland staying within the EU as this is what the SNP and the majority of Scots want.
On this thread we have a Scottish based company totally ignoring EU law, which has been confirmed by a French court, and siding with French protection!
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| stewart woodward wrote: |
On this thread we have a Scottish based company totally ignoring EU law, which has been confirmed by a French court, and siding with French protection! |
Following up on skimottaret's posts I imagine they are looking beyond a potential brexit and wanting to stick by agreements they made with the ESF. Also it would be a bit of an about turn to suddenly reject the Eurotest that they have been in favour of, so it is consistent. Having a possible access route post Brexit into the European market is probably in (some) of the member's interests.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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For me and if I have read the French appeal reference correctly, although it has to be said my school French is now so old its efficacy is limited, it seems wholly inappropropriate for a UK based training organisation to support the French in a legal argument aimed at limiting access by its own members to working opportunities in France and potentially possibly elsewhere in Europe. Perhaps I am over simplifying!
The additional tragedy is that Simon is now faced with further ongoing uncertainty for goodness how long and then there will (may) be Brexit which will likely make it all academic anyway as the French (and other European countries) may well take a very hard line on cooperation with the UK vis a vis working and living in each others countries and frankly why should they not if we preclude Europeans from the UK.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| Does anyone know of a single non EU passport holding ski teacher who currently works in France ? |
Yes.
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@offpisteskiing, @davidof, Interesting to hear that I honestly couldn't think of anyone, were they granted a working visa to operate as Carte Pro holders or are they trainees or ??
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| On the plus side when they lose the appeal it will set a case law precedent that will ensure France has to follow the deflation process and allow us good Europeans to work there. |
By which time we won't be European.
Can someone explain what BASI hope to achieve by supporting this appeal?
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| @offpisteskiing, @davidof, Interesting to hear that I honestly couldn't think of anyone, were they granted a working visa to operate as Carte Pro holders or are they trainees or ?? |
I think some of the Alpine Experience team have been through the ENSA system and there is a Chinese teacher in Courchevel who is qualified through the (French) ENSA system - but they need Chinese and Russian speakers in Courchevel so maybe the exceptions that prove the rule?
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I know an Argentinian who worked in Meribel until this winter.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@rjs, yeah I think I know who you mean but wasn't another Argentinian BASI trainer booted out of France a while back? Wondering if these few people have the right to work through marriage, dual passport, grandparents etc. I dont come across as European for instance but carry a useful passport. 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| bar shaker wrote: |
| Can someone explain what BASI hope to achieve by supporting this appeal? |
According to this quote from Donald Musk of BASI
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| Donald Musk BASI is not involved in the appeal despite what this article may suggest |
although he has not answered this question
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| Donald will BASI ask Le Dauphine to kindly retract their statement in that case? |
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| stewart woodward wrote: |
| bar shaker wrote: |
| Can someone explain what BASI hope to achieve by supporting this appeal? |
According to this quote from Donald Musk of BASI
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| Donald Musk BASI is not involved in the appeal despite what this article may suggest |
although he has not answered this question
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| Donald, Where's Your Troosers? |
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FIFY
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You know it makes sense.
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Any news on this case? Needs reinvigorating for the 2017/18 season.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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I was thinking about this the other day and after looking into it via the internet which may not be the whole story it did seem that the whole thing has now died. Simon has returned to his chalet hotel in Megeve and is apparently looking forward to the new season and teaching as before together with many of his same team. Hopefully it has all been put to bed but you never know with the French so I think it must be a case of "watch this space" and how tour operators and others revise their offerings within the outcomes of Simons case.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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........ and of course there will be the Brexit question!!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Butt hurt Butler WILL lose. Wutta horse's petunia.
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What on earth, @arcsinice, is the petunia of a horse?
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| under a new name wrote: |
| What on earth, @arcsinice, is the petunia of a horse? |
Well urbandictionary gives several definitions.
Given the context I presume arcsinice means either definition number 2, or possibly number 5.....
Possibly another case where the American(?) usage leaves us Brits a bit baffled. 
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@skimottaret,
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I dont come across as European
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True
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@patrick!, page doesn't exist
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Crikey, so not put to bed at all! He wants to hope this gets sorted before uk leaves the Eu or he'll not be covered by their protection from France's diabolical legal system presumably?
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